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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:05 PM Original message |
I saw Larry O'Donnell live last night. he had an interesting take on The Clintons |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. That wasn't " von Furstenburg" it was rothchild. |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Sorry, i got my elite families mixed up |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. Ya had me goin' ..I thought mccain had snagged another |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. Countess de Rothschild, I think. Interesting point. nt |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. Exactly - - just as they did in 2004 and 2000 before that. Don't believe in 'coincidences' |
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LaydeeBug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. as "they" did in 2000? Long on blame, and short on memory. It was AL GORE who ran AWAY from Bill... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. shhhhh... some people need their boogymen! |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Behind the scenes sabotage was constant in 2000, as it was in 2004. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. ..and you were there so you should know... |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
75. "...the supermarket tabloid-level terrain." |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Yes, Brinkley, Parry and Woodward will go down in history for their tinhats, not their |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
34. You were asked about 2000 |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. three people offered to take her on... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Go ahead...You have never ONCE produced a refutation of Brinkley, Woodward, Parry and |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. you've never once produced anything beyond "anonymous sources say..." |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Baloney - Brinkley and Woodward and Parry are NOT anonymous sources and |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I'll ask again.. WHO told them what they've written about??? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Investigative reporters and a historian...read their stuff...btw...Woodward WITNESSED the Carville |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. like I keep saying, hearsay. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Bill's own words are hearsay, too, eh? Of course, if Parry is wrong, then you can point out |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. changing the subject... as usual |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. What did Bill Clinton say about the Iraq War in 2004? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Haha...so you say. Guess y'all missed the Vanity Fair article on Gore-Clinton from Nov2007 |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. I just read that whole article |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Douglas Brinkley is a noted historian...he spoke of Clintons backstabbing Kerry |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. ...and where did Brinkly get his information? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Ask him...you're the one doubting him...though his reputation as a historian is stellar while your |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. I'm asking you, you're the one pimping him |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Read Bill's book, then...how DID he handle all the outstanding matters in IranContra, BCCI and CIA |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. changing the subject... as usual |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Not at all...you don't believe anything investigative reporters say, so, then use Bill's own words. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. you've gone from "sabotaging candidates" to CIA and Iran Contra! LOL! |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Well, you don't believe Clinton's own words during his book tour in 2004? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 06:25 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. quote Bill Clinton saying he sabotaged John Kerry |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-23-08 08:29 AM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Clinton's book tour interviews defending Bush on terrorism and Iraq war decisions |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. And BCCI. Every discussion eventually ends up with BCCI. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. since you brought it up....do YOU believe BCCI had no outstanding matters since 1992? |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #13 |
39. Get the fuck OVER it. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Over it? Political sabotage of other Dems may be something YOU don't mind, but, why expect others |
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LaydeeBug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
76. Political sabotage My Royal Bridge in Brooklyn. |
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LaydeeBug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
73. and yet, NOTHING about 2000, which is why this is mooseshit. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Vanity Fair article is very clear. And Gore's camp was the source for that account. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
5. just goes to show that the anti-clinton conspiracy-filled hysteria can affect just about anyone |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:13 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. bill clinton is the sweet little baby jesus. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. case in point. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. you can hitch your wagon to that bitter has-been if you wish. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. better than the left/right irrational loons on their heretic hunts |
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Cassandra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. As I said during the primary... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. as I replied in the primaries |
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Cassandra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. You could point that out... |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. "without implying that everyone who doesn't support the DLC is a leftist loon." |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. I haven't done that, but anyone who does treat unsubstantiated second-hand opinions as fact... |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #21 |
62. What I disliked about Obama were his supporters. |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
84. I totally agree. BUT, as we're seeing on this thread, some of Bill's fans stink on ice as well. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
68. During the primaries you gave all the benefit of the doubt to the Clintons now to Obama back then |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
7. I have heard the same from other sources. |
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MarjorieG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
8. Tired of Clintons holding us hostage, from 90s drama, to 2004/2008 place sitting Hillary's next. |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
14. So basically, it's Obama vs. McCain/Clintons n/t |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Just like in 2004 when it was Kerry vs Bush/Cheney/Clinton. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Read her links and then think how different Iraq and other foreign policy would be |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. The DC powerstructure KNEW Kerry was strong advocate for opening the books - including BANK BOOKS. |
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orwell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
16. The thing I don't understand... |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
18. I've heard O'Donnell make similar remarks on Ed Schultz' show. |
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iceman66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
19. In a way this is a good thing. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. What is your beef with Hillary? |
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iceman66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Hillary has been a better advocate for Obama than Bill. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. You don't think Hillary has been |
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iceman66 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. I actually have mixed feelings about the Clintons. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. She's seen doing one thing while he's doing another. It's called plausible denial. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
23. For the Clintons, it's all about Hillary 2012 -- while she's creating plausible deniability now. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. 100% agree. |
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jesus_of_suburbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Bill can't get over some Dems treating Hillary like shit.... I wish he would. n/t |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
52. Dems DID NOT treat Hillary like shit! |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
83. She can't create "plausible deniablity" with only 40 days of the campaign left in the closest race |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
29. She's not a countess, she's just Lady de Rothschild. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
30. Re. the aristokitten, just another political miscalculation by the Clintons |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Their time has come and gone. |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
33. If need be Obama will win without the Clinton's. We will see in the next 46 days what they do |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
37. Larry is always interesting, but I take what he says with a large grain of salt every time. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. But he insulted the Clinton's |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
38. I wondered this myself |
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blue_onyx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
59. I only have Hillary and Bill's actions to go on... |
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Metric System (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
70. Ugh. I think I better take a break from DU because I'm getting damn tired of this shit. |
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genna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
71. Well when stick the knife in 10 inches and take it out 5, do you want a thank you? |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-22-08 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
82. Interesting OP and thread. |
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