NRA Begins Multi-Million-Dollar Television Ad Campaign

[Hope And Change]

NRA Begins Multi-Million-Dollar Television Ad Campaign

22 Sep 2008 11:57 am

The National Rifle Association's political arm launched a flight of television and radio ads today that portray the Obama-Biden ticket as "radical" and Obama as a gun-grabber who plans "a huge new tax" on "guns and ammo."

Below, television and radio ads airing in Pennsylvania. An NRA official says that the group has purchased ad time in Colorado and New Mexico, and more states will come online soon.


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http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/nra_begins_multimilliondollar.php

[blondeatlast]

1. What. The Fuck. Ever. We don't need them to win and pandering to them is a sure loser for our side.

[davepc]

6. We don't need gun owners?

A quick recap of the 2004 election:

21 Electoral Votes in 2004.

North Carolina:

Mike Easley (D) 55.6% -- NRA "A" Rating
Patrick Ballantine (R) 42.9%

Bush 56%
Kerry 44%

West Virgina:

Joe Manchin (D) 63.5% -- NRA "A+" Rating
Monty Warner (R) 34%

Bush 56%
Kerry 43%

Montana:

Brian Schweitzer (D) 50.4% -- NRA "A" Rating
Bob Brown (R) 46%

Bush 59%
Kerry 39%


See the trend? Pro-gun Democrats beat Republicans handily on the same day Bush beat Kerry in those same states by double digit margins.

Kerry's most publicized senate vote, one he came off the campaign trail specifically to cast, was for the (failed) reauthorization of the 1994 assault weapons ban.

[joshcryer]

21. I literally facepalmed when that happened.

Why the fuck... man... It still bothers me.

[TheBigotBasher]

26. Getting cop killer guns off the street

may not have been the popular thing to do with the NRA, but it was the RIGHT thing to do.

[davepc]

31. According to the FBI, the most common guns used to kill cops with are handguns

I can't think of any legislation that was proposed by anybody on the federal level that restricted handguns.

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48. Kucinich on handguns...

Kucinich is currently drafting legislation that would ban the purchase, sale, transfer, or possession of handguns by civilians. A gun buy-back provision will be included in the bill.

http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=62819

The members of the House Judiciary Committee are probably still laughing at that one.

[Statistical]

66. You do know that so called "assault weapons" are used in less than 0.5% of crimes?

You do know that so called "assault weapons" are used in less than 0.5% of crimes?
That more cops have died from being beat to death then they have from EBR (Evil Black Rifles).

Want to save more cops lives ban boots.

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43. Jon Tester and Jim Webb are the reason dems control the Senate.

Both won very close elections and both are dyed in the wool RKBA advocates...

Gun Rights

Jon Tester strongly believes in our Second Amendment rights. As a gun owner and custom butcher Jon made his living with a gun for 25 years. As a legislator Tester voted repeatedly to protect gun rights. In the United States Senate, Jon will stand up to anyone — Republican or Democrat — who wants to take away Montanans’ gun rights.

http://www.testerforsenate.com/issues

There's no way either would have won if they had supported gun control legislation.

[Cha]

70. The National Police Association just endorsed

Obama Biden.

Impeachment_Monkey (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-22-08 04:24 PM
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"Nat'l Assoc. of Police Organizations ENDORSED OBAMA today!
NAPO Endorses Obama"
by KYLE TRYGSTAD - Sept. 22, 2008
OpEdNews.com

The National Association of Police Organizations endorsed Barack Obama today. On a conference call with reporters, NAPO president Tom Nee pledged the support of more than 287,000 police officers and 2,000 police organizations from around the country.

Joining Nee on the call was vice presidential nominee Joe Biden, who guaranteed Nee that an Obama administration would seek NAPO's input on any crime bills and promised to increase federal support. "We are going to re-establish the Crime Bill," Biden said. "We are going to put another 50,000 cops on the street. We are going to provide the kind of technological help you guys need."

NAPO endorsed the FISA bill that passed through Congress in July. Obama also supported the bill after opposing an earlier version of it. The move upset many of Obama's progressive supporters, though likely helped win the support of groups like NAPO.

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/linkframe.php?linkid=6...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7145259

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57. Do you think it's a wise move alienating

this many voters in a crucial swing state?

Gun control arouses deep emotions here. Deadly shootings have earned the state's largest city the ominous nickname: "Killadelphia." One of the strongest antigun control groups, the National Rifle Association, has 250,000 members in Pennsylvania, more than in any other state. This month the Pennsylvania House soundly defeated a bill to require handgun owners to report the theft or loss of their guns to police.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5701136.html

[EstimatedProphet]

71. Yes, she does

[cdb]

2. The biggest RW fear ever

Help!!they are going to take my guns away, my precious guns!!!

[davepc]

I forgot that it was a Republican congress and President who signed the Assault Weapons "ban"

Even if it was a stupid piece of legislation that didn't ban a thing.

And it's republicans who keep proposing new "ban" legislation every session to replace the expired 1994 bill..


It was the Republicans right? They're the ones who wrote those laws?

[Statistical]

67. It was signed by CLINTON and the DEM controlled congress.

[GoesTo11]

3. How'd they get Charlton Heston to narrate the first one?

Isn't he dead?

Are these ads effective?

How much tax do people have to pay on hunting ammo?

Did Obama really vote to ban hunting rifles?

[davepc]

4. Well, Biden claims to author the original assault weapons ban

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkavwuWE5eQ


edit: fixed wrong link

[1corona4u]

7. Yeah, so what.

They have already said they are not taking guns away.

[davepc]

12. The party platform should of been one line on this issue.

"We support then 2nd Amendment right of Americans to own firearms for defense of self and state."

Instead the 2008 platform has the same worthless mumbo jumbo about assault weapons bans and gun show loopholes.

It keeps costing us votes among white rural voters. Every damn election.

[1corona4u]

23. You know what, I am so fucking sick of the bullshit...

Yes, the 2nd amendment says you HAVE A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, it does NOT, however, say WHAT KIND OF GUN. SHOW ME WHERE THE FUCK IT SAYS THAT EACH PERSON HAS A RIGHT TO AN ASSAULT WEAPON. SHOW ME, OR SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT. JOE AND OBAMA HAVE SAID THEY ARE NOT TAKING AWAY GUNS. PERIOD.

[davepc]

27. Yes, the 1nd amendment says you HAVE A RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH

it does NOT, however, say WHAT KIND OF SPEECH. SHOW ME WHERE THE FUCK IT SAYS THAT EACH PERSON HAS A RIGHT TO HATE SPEECH. SHOW ME, OR SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT.



Lets treat the Bill of Rights with a little consistency.

...

JOE AND OBAMA HAVE SAID THEY ARE NOT TAKING AWAY GUNS. PERIOD.



I don't think they are either, but they should say that. loudly. And often.

"We support the 2nd amendment rights of Americans to own firearms for the defense of self and state."

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[davepc]

34. Whats with all the name calling and shouting?

[1corona4u]

35. BY THE WAY, THEY HAVE BEEN SAYING IT FOR 2 WEEKS NOW...

BUT I GUESS YOU WERE OFF CLEANING YOUR GUNS!!!!

[wmbrew0206]

28. OK, define "Assault Weapon"....

That is the tricky part. What you consider an assualt weapon other people consider a hunting rifle. What makes your opinion the right one?

[rl6214]

82. That clip from Davepc

Sure looked like Biden said he would take guns away. As was stated in the following post, the 1st guarantees the right to free speech but not what type. The 2nd guarantees the right to keep and bear arms but not what type. If the 2nd truly applies to militias, then muskets, shotguns and hunting rifles just don't cut it. An assault weapon is ANY weapon that is used for an assault. Gov Richardson has it right. Strict background checks for any purchase, anywhere, period.

[Hippo_Tron]

64. And yet there are urban voters that vote for us because of gun control

The politics of this is two edged. If there was no loss from being just as anti gun control as the Republicans, we would be.

[jody]

69. The states that are anti-gun include NY, MA, NJ, CT, CA. Their congresspersons are

nearly all rated "A" by anti-gun groups and rated "F" by pro-gun groups.

Contrast that with FL, PA, OH, MI with 77 congressional districts and over 70% of them have representatives that are rated "F" by anti-gun groups and rated "A" by pro-gun groups.

That's why the 2nd is one of the key issues in those swing states.

It's unfortunate that politicians from NY, MA, NJ, CT, CA don't learn more about politics in FL, PA, OH, MI.

[wmbrew0206]

25. Yeah, but there is a big difference in what politicians say and do, and you can bet

that any time we try and tell gun onwers that Obama won't take their guns, they come back and say "Then way did Biden already try to do it once? What has changed his mind?"

[jody]

54. And why did the Brady Bunch rate Obama/Biden "A" and GOA rate them "F", both ratings based on their

proven voting record and history supporting various gun bans?

IMO the only way for Obama to get rid of that baggage is to say "I will ban every bill that comes to me that infringes upon the right of citizens to keep and bear arms for self-defense".

No excuses for past actions and then say "Next question please."

That statement could make the difference in FL, PA, OH, MI with 77 congressional districts and over 70% of them have representatives who are rated A by pro-gun organizations and F by anti-gun organizations.

[wmbrew0206]

58. I agree with you, Obama needs to include "self defense" when he talks about guns

[1corona4u]

5. Fuck them.

Biden and Obama have been telling people for a couple of weeks now that they would say this, and not to believe it.

[jody]

8. Who needs votes from 80 million gun-owners in an electorate of 215 million? n/t

[1corona4u]

11. Well, if they are one issue voters, fuck them too.

[blondeatlast]

14. What you said. nt

[davepc]

17. Well there's that "big tent" philosophy on display. What if your "single issue" is the BoR.

all 10 of them.

Is the reaction "fuck you too"?

[blondeatlast]

22. I've no respect for one issue voters. I don't NOT support gun rights, but I despise

the NRA.

I'm not a big tenter, either--I'm a progressive.

[jody]

24. That's the spirit, get in their face and tell gun-owners just what you think. n/t

[blondeatlast]

29. I surely will. I don't need a gun to be strong. nt

[jody]

36. ROFLMAO! n/t

[1corona4u]

38. I'm hiding this thread....

these gun people are TSFW. One issue voters....stupid.

[jody]

40. Do you suffer from Ostrich Syndrome? n/t

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[jody]

45. Sorry, no way. I want Obama to win and he must either oppose the AWB or run the risk of losing

many votes from 80 million gun owners.

FL, PA, OH, MI have 77 congressional districts and over 70% of them have representatives who are rated A by pro-gun organizations and F by anti-gun organizations.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

61. No, you don't.

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[jody]

37. Do you know what H.R. 1022 defines as an assault weapon? n/t

[KathieG]

44. I agree. We own guns but it certainly isn't our top issue...not even close. One issue voters suck.

[jody]

46. But political analysts say one-issue voters can win or lose in some states in close elections. n/t

[blondeatlast]

18. How many of those owners slavishly support the NRA? I know many, many hinters who have left the due

to despising their politics.

[jody]

33. Don't know, I do know that in FL, PA, OH, MI with 77 congressional districts, over 70% of them have

representatives who are rated A by pro-gun organizations and F by anti-gun organizations.

[wmbrew0206]

9. I think this the one issue that could keep Ohio & FL Red and flip PA for the bad guys

We've seen this before and it seems every four years about this time the republicans drag this issue out. They think it is a winning issue for them ande we're going to see more of it.

Obama has to come out now and hit back hard on this.

[jody]

15. The only way is for Obama to pledge to veto every bill that infringes upon the 2nd and that includes

H.R. 1022 and S.2237.

[underpants]

10. The NRA owns WV TN and ARK in presidential races

it is a basic understanding amongst all sides

[RobertSeattle]

13. You are an idiot if you base your vote exclusively on:

Abortion, Guns, or God

I guess I've just proven most Republican voters are idiots.

[joshcryer]

19. Economics is this years big issue at least.

But then again, some gun people would prefer their gun to their livelihood (as they believe it endows them with their livelihood).

I don't see Obama "taking everyones guns away" given his position on this in the past.

However, he needs to strengthen his stance, because he *can* get a lot of those former GOP voters if he would assure them of this.

[wmbrew0206]

41. Obama has used the a line about "Support the rights of hunters" etc

As a gun owner, I kind of look at what he is not saying, which is anything about owning a gun for self-defense.

I think he needs to start including that or the NRA is going to starting trying to whack him over the head with this issue.

[Oak2004]

60. It might also indicate that some Democrats have a tin ear.

If gun control advocacy causes Democrats to lose, then pro gun control position are dealbreakers for too many voters. That means, if you have any sense at all, you take it out of the national platform, and keep it out unless and until the issue is no longer a dealbreaker.

When a big hunk of the electorate will defeat you over a platform plank, the term for that is "democracy". "Idiocy" is the term for people who keep sticking unpopular political planks into the national platform instead of allowing such positions to be adopted individually by candidates in accordance with the desires of their constituents.

[joshcryer]

16. And so it begins.

Let's see how big the impact is, in say, I dunno, two weeks.

[wmbrew0206]

20. There is another ad on the NRA site called "Way of Life" that you have to see to believe

If that isn't racist, I don't know what is.

The "Veteran" one is really bad too.

[anonymous171]

39. lol Do they not realize that the neocons would love to grab their guns too?

[RiverStone]

47. Not a surprise - we should counter with all the police endorsements Obama is getting!

Fuck the NRA and their sanctimonious bullshit!

[jody]

50. Problem is those police organizations support gun-bans and by implication suggest Obama does also.

I would be more pleased if Obama changed his position such that he received the endorsement of Gun Owners of America.

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53. Many LEO organizations are Brady bootlickers.

The Police chiefs organizations are even worse.

Obama just received the endorsement of the National Association of Police Organizations.

McCain is endorsed by the Fraternal Order of Police.

Both organizations have a dismal record on the RKBA (unless it benefits their 2nd amendment rights).

Neither endorsement is going to sway many (if any), civilian gun owners to vote for the respective candidates.

[ITsec]

49. I used to be a member of the NRA.... and I quit....

Because they were single issue. Guns above all else. Well, what about the other 9 amendments to the Constitution, NRA? What about the First, the Fourth... that their precious Der Leader has dismantled since installing himself into office? They don't care about that, all they want is their underfolders and 30 round magazines, and to hell with habeas corpus.

Now before anyone goes off half-cocked on me, I fully support the 2nd Amendment. I have a collection of firearms, some even loosely defined as an "assault weapon". Totally legal. Why? Because I can. But the ENTIRE Constitution is important to me, not just the 2nd.

As far as I'm concerned, the NRA can blow it out their ass. Stop sending me "We Miss You" junk mail, and requests for more donations to elect John McCain.

And... for what it's worth... if there are any Freepers or NRA supporters lurking who think Obama will take your guns... the GOA (Gun Owners of America) lists John McCain's gun record as an F-.

http://www.gunowners.org/mccaintb.htm

edited for spelling

[jody]

51. LOL, NRA proclaims to be a single issue organization the 2nd and ACLU proclaims to protect all

rights except for the 2nd.

Which organization is honest?

[ncteechur]

52. For gun owners who plan to vote for Obama, this will not change their mind.

For gun owners who don't want to vote for Obama, this will not change their minds either.

For undecideds who own guns--I don't expect there are many of those. And if they are undecided, they probably already know about Biden and the AWB and so they expect the NRA to rally against Obama. Not all gun owners are members of NRA>

[jody]

55. Good point, there are 80 million gun-owners and NRA has 4.3 million members. n/t

[Va Lefty]

56. It never fails to amaze me

how many seemingly rational people buy this crap every time they trot it out. Every election cycle the NRA runs ads in hunting magazines and on radio and TV about how "liberals" are going to take your guns. Sadly, it works and raises a pile of money for them.

[jody]

59. Why should you be amazed. The AWB did take guns. That's a fact and it was a Dem bill.

1996 Democratic Party Platform says “Today's Democratic Party stands with America's police officers. We are proud to tell them that as long as Bill Clinton and Al Gore are in the White House, any attempt to repeal the Brady Bill or assault weapons ban will be met with a veto.”

[Va Lefty]

62. Nobody had their guns "taken"

the purchase of some weapons was outlawed as was some ammo but nobody came to people's homes and "took" their guns

[jody]

68. I used "take" in the same sense it's used with other rights. If government takes away "free speech"

that act denies citizens the option of legally speaking in the future.

In that same way, if government takes away "the right to keep and bear firearms" in the future, even firearms specifically identified as assault weapons, it's "taking".

The odd thing is the AWB allowed people to keep and bear such arms if they were manufactured the day before the law took effect but banned that same firearm if it was manufactured the day after the law took effect.

By denying citizens the right to keep and bear such firearms, it did remove those guns from the set of such firearms that a citizen could keep and bear, i.e. take away those firearms.

I believe “takings” claims have been processed under ‘NAFTA’s Takings Rule'.

That's the extent of my knowledge of "takings" under NAFTA.

[FloridaGrl]

63. Note to the NRA:

It's not about guns this year.

[Overseas]

65. Maybe this means Obama's ad was very powerful.

He ran an ad recently to assure gun owners he would not be taking away their guns. That must have been very successful, so the NRA needs to run this ad.

HOW VERY SAD.

He is willing to work with gun owners and that just ain't good enough for the NRA.

They don't mind putting us in the hands of a Christian Fundamentalist President as long as she's for no gun control.

[Blue_Tires]

72. those ads are going to look foolish since obama/biden have both

come out for guns during speeches in (very) red areas...but the nra still has the 'scary-negro-with-foreign-sounding-name-who-doesn't-salute-the-flag" - card...and anyone who gets sucked in by that wasn't voting for obama anyways...

and i agree with the poster upthread: no matter how much the nra spends, 2008 is not going to be a "guns" election -- this aint exactly 1994 anymore....

[jody]

76. Unfortunately Obama, Biden, Dem platform, and groups endorsing our candidates support

the assault weapons ban such as H.R. 1022 that can be used to ban many/most semiautomatic firearms including pistols used for self-defense.

There are 80 million gun-owners who know the 2nd protects RKBA for self-defense, its not about hunting.

[budkin]

73. Fuck the redneck NRA wingnuts

I can't wait to see their faces when Obama wins. Muahahaha.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

74. Didn't Obama get out in front of this last week (or the week before last)?

I thought that I read here that he had started some kind of radio ad campaign about his position on gun rights recently? If so, then, hopefully whatever he did will help neutralize any damage the NRA thinks that they might do to Obama with this campaign.

[jody]

77. See #76. n/t

[Matariki]

75. I think the left should take control of the NRA by becoming members in overwhelming number.

[jody]

79. There are 80 million gun-owners of which 4.3 million belong to the NRA. IMO the better tactic is for

the Dem party to recognize that 80 million gun-owners will vote for politicians that protect all rights enumerated in our Constitution and those unenumerated but protected by the 9th.

[AzNick]

78. AGAIN: preaching to their choir!

Most people in this country are for some form of gun control.

They are not going to turn voters from Obama, it will be the contrary!

Mark my words.

[jody]

80. What new laws would you add to Fed laws below?

Title 18, Chapter 44 - "Firearms" and Title 26, Chapter 53 - "Machine Guns, Destructive Devices, and Certain Other Firearms"

Perhaps people want criminals arrested for violating current law, then prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced with mandatory sentences for possessing a firearm and that sentence must be served consecutively not concurrently with other sentences.

[Unrepentant Fenian]

81. Miners call for work halt over NRA political filming -thanks to wgjhsafT ARFCOM

Miners call for work halt over NRA political filming
The NRA is trying to force Miners to make statements against Obama, with the mining company's blessing. The Miners, and the Union are having none of it!
GOOD JOB GUYS!
LINK http://www.postgazette.com/pg/08266/914197-100.stm

With thanks to wgjhsafT ARFCOM