Chris Rock is calling out Clinton on Letterman... immediately following Clinton's appearance.

[scheming daemons]

Wow.

[Cha]

1. You can't make this shit up!!

:bounce: that will be a good clip:bounce:

[truthN08]

3. I'm on the west coast

WHAT did Chris Rock say? Please tell me.

[RichGirl]

7. He said...

...in his loud Chris Rock fashion "he didn't want to say his name...hillary lost...etc"

[LisaM]

153. Chris Rock is an ass

that's all.

[Imagevision]

187. Chris Rock should allow Sean Penn do the talking and Chris should stick with stand-up...

[pecwae]

191. Always has been.

[Raineyb]

202. Chris Rock makes a joke based on his observation and HE'S the ass?

:crazy:

That makes no sense.

Regards

[saracat]

221. I agree.

[jbnow]

24. First he was just saying how smart Bill was and on

the conversation Bill and Dave were having.

Then after the comment about not saying Obama's name he said he was talking about Hillary's plans- and pointing out that she lost, she is not the candidate.

He was cruder than I'd like, but that's his style.
But I cringed when Bill was talking about Hillary's economic plan and then how a year ago Hillary wanted to do something about sub-prime mortgage.
I get that he wants to say good things about her and her work. But Obama had a speech and plan on sub-prime mortgages early spring 07 at least, tried to get some department to agree to...well anyway that's not the point. He was speaking out on the sub-prime crisis well before that Obama has made some big speeches, like the one on Wall street in March telling the very people who would be affected about the need and plans for new regulatory systems.
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBNsq
He laid out what needed to be included in the bail-out plan. and so on...

It's not that he has to pimp Obama but he sure as hell could have tossed in a few of these things or at least said "Hillary and Obama..."
People listen to him, he is an icon in our party, it would be so easy and so appropriate to give Obama some kudos on his economic foresight...
Makes me sad.

[liberalmike27]

119. I've Seen Clinton on Two Things Now

I watched the View, and Letterman last night.

I understand that Chris Rock was stretching, just a bit anyway, to make the joke about Vick. Of course in society we value the dog more than we do Moose, or Caribou. It was funny, nonetheless.

But back to Bill Clinton, if you've heard the expression, "Damning someone with faint praise," I'd say that was what he did with Obama on both shows.

I could be a lot more verbose here, but I'll suffice it to say, if he's going to go on these shows, and talk as if he's a cold-hearted analyst, and compare Obama and McCain as if they're both honorable, then he might as well stay home. I was watching with a friend, and he didn't feel as strongly as I did, and Clinton did at some point say he felt Obama would win, and that he supported Obama. But there was no life, there was no enthusiasm at all.

So, if he needs to get over it a while longer, I'd just say stay home. Obama doesn't need that kind of "help."

[LisaM]

157. Why does he have to be enthusiastic?

Do you recall him being out there and enthusiastic about John Kerry? I don't. He's moved on to a post-political track.

And like it or not, the primaries were acrimonious. I still feel bitterness. I am supporting/voting for Obama. I can't stand McCain and Palin is worse. But I'm not particularly excited about it. You can't force enthusiasm. The whole process was ennervating. My motivations for voting this year are negative ones, I can't stand any more Republicanism. But I'm not jumping up and down with excitement, either. Getting a Democrat elected is the task at hand. If Bill Clinton has to approach the task in an analytical, not an emotional, way, so be it. It's how a lot of people feel.

[dflprincess]

171. He is not on a post political track

he is on his own political track and things have not been going his way.

If Clinton cared about the country he'd at least be faking enthusiasm.

[LisaM]

177. He's trying to work on an AIDs initiative

I still maintain he's showing as much (or more) enthusiasm for Obama than he did for Kerry.

[dflprincess]

186. The talk last night seemed to center on the election

and I would expect Obama to be a surer bet to support the AIDS initiative than I would McCain/Palin. I was shocked by his performance and couldn't believe that'd he still be playing games at this stage of the campaign. I haven't been that thrilled by Obama (or Hillary) - but I'm putting on a better show everyday when I run across a McCain supporter or, better yet, someone who's on the fence that I may be able to influence. I would expect no less from the a former Democratic president.

I think Clinton showed his true colors last night and that's that he will not really support anyone who gets in the way of his ambtions.

[mopinko]

218. he has to be enthusiastic because we are a party. he is the elder statesman.

he should act like one. it's not like we are asking bush to do this. the man knows how to do it. and he knows when to do it, too. and when to do it is the day after things are decided, at the latest. not the following saturday. at the very fucking least you are supposed to be on board after the convention.

[krkaufman]

228. He needs to be enthusiastic because he was the last Democratic President

He needs to be viewed and behave as someone other than Hillary's husband during the next 50 days. He damn well better be a vocal and ardent Obama supporter.

[ampad]

231. Boo fucking hooo

So you still feel some bitterness and that goes for all of you that cannot feel the "excitement" over this election. Bill Clinton does owe this country quite a bit because had he handled the situation with his affair in a different manner in the 90's then maybe we would not be in as bad of shape as we are now. Bill and Hillary are not fucking queens and kings they are politicians and frankly I'm sick and tired of the same people on this board breaking their necks to get into a thread and defend them when they do shit that is wrong. They are not without fault and yes Bill is still showing his ass after his wife lost the primaries. I wonder what gives some of you Hillary supporters so much more right to be bitter than say the Kuchinich supporters, the Edwards supporters and so on; I think I know the answer to that question. They way some of you behaved after she lost and during the primaries tells me all I need to know about your motivation for her to win.

We got renters paying higher rent yet those renters have to help bail out this fucking banks that made bad decisions. We got the Bush admin trying to keep troops in Iraq for years in order to help out McCain. You do know that means unnecessary people are going to die in Iraq in order to help this son of a bitch McCain? Dead people is what that means. So yea I think Bill should get his ass out there and pretend to be the bigger person. I don't care if he has to vomit afterward as far as I am concern he owes this country that much for allowing Gingrich to get his grubby hands on the Congress in the 90's. Gingrich got there because he told the people "we needs adults running congress" Bill Clinton the "I never had sex with that woman" Bill allowed that to happen. There are too many people in this country who are too stupid to realize that lying about sex is not as horrible as allowing a repig Congress to take control of our government. Bill Clinton is a smart man and he realized this. I don't want to here that the repigs hunted him because Bill (being the smart man that he is) should of took that into account before he unzipped his pants. So yea Bill owes this country quite a bit. I tell you one thing, you want to talk about bitter. If Obama loses this election and McCain is allowed to continue the Bush agenda for another four years folks are going to be bitter, broke and some of them might even die. That is when people are going to get bitter and actually have a noble reason to be bitter. If that were to happen and Hillary runs in 2012 I promise you I am going to have the same attitude as some of you have about her losing in 2008. I'm gonna say I don't owe Hillary Clinton a damn thing and she will not get my support. I'll support Dennis and call it a day because if McCain continues on with the Bush agenda this country will be too far gone to give a good damn. Bitter, honestly some of you need to seek therapy for that shit.

[Me.]

2. Details Please

[scheming daemons]

4. "Dave, did you notice that Bill Clinton didn't want to say the word 'Obama'?"

[Me.]

26. Thanks

and to JimGin

[JimGinPA]

6. Just Pointing Out How Clinton Tried To Avoid Saying "Barack Obama"

:rofl:

[WA98296]

146. See it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsep_xcWOQ8

[blogslut]

5. Dude is on fire!

Oh my

[Metric System]

8. Wow, you must be tingy all over. Seriously, do Obama supporters like Rock want him to win?

[scheming daemons]

10. Rock is supporting Obama.... Clinton appeared to support both candidates.... Which one wants Obama

to win?

[redstate_democrat]

11. Yes, we want Obama to win.

And YES he WILL win.

[BrklynLiberal]

12. and a lukewarm halfassed non-endorsement does Obama what good?

[Skittles]

44. Bill was TRASHED during the primaries

he does not owe ANYTHING

[Colobo]

53. Bill got what he deserved during the primaries. Sorry, but he ran his mouth

and got burned for it.

[Name removed]

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[WinkyDink]

103. A rather personal insult to a post about a stranger to you, isn't this?

[Forkboy]

59. It's about what's right, Skittles, not what's owed.

Tell me a candidate or those around a candidate that didn't get trashed in the primaries. It's politics, and that happens in every election since they began.

You're completely right, he doesn't owe Barack, or any of us, anything. But is that the attitude you think is right to help defeat McCain?

And if he doesn't owe us anything, what do we owe him?

[Skittles]

63. he was treated LIKE GARBAGE for SUPPORTING HIS WIFE

HE DOESN'T OWE OBAMA AND WE DON'T OWE BILL. LAY THE FUCK OFF THE CLINTONS ALREADY.

[Forkboy]

75. OK, if we don't owe Bill anything, why so upset?

:shrug:

Bill wasn't attacked for simply supporting his wife. That's an extremely simplistic take on all of this. He was attacked for many things, some valid, some not. Again, tell me when this hasn't happened in an election. He was stumping for his wife, and he's fair game because of that. I don't agree with all the attacks on Clinton, but some of them I do think are correct. You seem to not want to even try to differentiate between the two.

And you know I love you dearly, but if you can't communicate with me without chewing my head off then please put me on ignore. I truly don't want that, but I'm not your doormat, or anyone else's.

[NashVegas]

160. Yeah - You're Right. Bill Wasn't Attacked For Simply Supporting His Wife

He was attacked because he was a *former president* - with all the respect a former president should expect to have - who was supporting his wife, instead of a different member of his political party.

Bill and Hillary Clinton were both smeared with charges of racism for political expediency, but Bill even more so - because it was politically necessary to negate his influence as a former president.

[Forkboy]

188. Now you're oversimplyfying the reaction, too.

I understand the temptation to break these things down in nice little victim units, but there was a lot more to the primary dynamic than you suggest, and a lot more factors involved than just him being an ex-president supporting his wife.

As long as his defenders are making charges as simplistic as some of those attacking him this split will just remain and fester.

[NashVegas]

190. Oh, Lordie Lordie Lordie

People in Obama's camp had to find whatever they could to attack Bill Clinton with. It's that simple. Imagine if Bush & McCain had gone at it for six months in 2000 and GW was out on the stump. Just wouldn't have seem very fair, would it, to have a former president stumping for one candidate in particular.


But those tears also have to be analyzed. They have to be looked at very, very carefully in light of Katrina, in light of other things that Mrs. Clinton did not cry for, particularly as we head to South Carolina where 45% of African-Americans who participate in the Democratic contest, and they see real hope in Barack Obama.

We saw something very clever in the last week of this campaign coming out of Iowa, going into New Hampshire, we saw a sensitivity factor. Something that Mrs. Clinton has not been able to do with voters that she tried in New Hampshire.

Not in response to voters -- not in response to Katrina, not in response to other issues that have devastated the American people, the war in Iraq, we saw tears in response to her appearance. So her appearance brought her to tears, but not hurricane Katrina.

1.09.08

It was strategy, pure and simple.

[mamalone]

98. I agree with you...

He doesn't owe us a thing.

But you know what? I thought he was a bigger man than this, a bigger man than to be ruled by such pettiness. This election is SERIOUS BUSINESS. Honestly, I feel as though, our entire way of life is on the line, no I'll say more than that: with the way the repubs are mongering war nowadays, our very lives are at stake. And even more than that, our children's lives are at stake. I get that he feels he was dissed and misinterpreted during the primaries. I get that he thinks his wife would be better for the job than Obama. I get that he doesn't like Obama personally. But the adult thing to do in a time like this is to not keep score about who is owed what. An adult does what is needed for the greater good. A worthy leader acts to keep the vulnerable safe.

During this crucial time in our country we need Bill to put aside jealousies and resentments. We need him to rise and be the best man he can be. We need that, and he's letting us down.

[dennis4868]

105. well said.....

:-)

[mamalone]

192. thanks

:)

[sammytko]

127. Agree with you 100% nt

[mamalone]

193. thanks 100% nt

[AspenRose]

130. Perfect.

:thumbsup:

[mamalone]

194. I appreciate...

your appreciation:thumbsup:

[windbreeze]

133. Agreed

couldn't have expressed it better...wb

[mamalone]

195. thanks so much:)

[renate]

134. what you said!!!! n/t

:applause:

[mamalone]

196. I like your bunny...

except it's "Churlie" ;)

[Forkboy]

189. Thank you. Extremely well put.

[mamalone]

197. Thanks to you!

[WinkyDink]

104. That's funnier than Chris Rock.

[jrockford]

108. waaaa

because she didn't win the primary, Bill gets to take his toys and go home? He owes the same as any partisan in the party does. Why should his work towards getting Obama be any less than the person who volunteers 6 hours of the day to door knock?

[Name removed]

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[karynnj]

141. No, he was criticized because he said things that were wrong to say

and he acted like a bully at times. The fact is the camapign he hurt the most was HRC's. The first, what should have been a minor bump was the first Philly debate. Bill Clinton came out implying (with surrogates actually saying) that HRC was swiftboated. This because she was called for giving 2 opposing answers with in a minute. A Hiallry joke, well phrased position state was what was needed . BC made the whole thing a week or two issue.

Nothing BC got was undeserved - other than a deference when he first started the nonsense. He is a former President and was given more respect for that at the convention, than Clinton gave Carter in 1992 or 1996. Kerry was the first to invite him to speak.

[Renew Deal]

198. He was treated like garbage for acting like garbage.

Attempting to disenfranchise Nevada voters comes to mind. So does race baiting.

[krkaufman]

229. No, Bill Clinton caught hell for the tactics he chose to use ...

... in, supposedly, supporting his wife's campaign.

[dkf]

77. And nothing is owed to him.

[quakerboy]

78. Bull Shit

Bill Clinton has put himself on the stage over and over for the past 18 years. That is going to draw criticism. He chose to accept that roll when he chose to enter national politics.

What is more relevant is that the American people gave Bill Clinton our votes. 2 Times. In return we are owed a statesman. We are owed the same thing by GB the first, and Carter. Since we never elected GB the second, you could argue that one.

But we are OWED something by those who step up and accept the powers and rights of a president. Vision. Help. Working for us even when we are not grateful. That is part of the responsibility that any person running for president needs to be willing to accept. And those who swear themselves to the job must step beyond willingness and actually accept this. Bill Clinton is our most recent legitimate president. And we deserve better, whatever his personal feelings.

[goclark]

86. Bingo!

[quakerboy]

88. It applies to them all

I might even take it further and apply it to lower level elected people. Senators, Governors, etc. A great many of them have fallen far short. They are Human, every last one of them. But I don't think that that means we should expect less.

[knixphan]

96. spot on!

[Name removed]

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[Kahuna]

100. Then he should get off the stage. If he can't help he should shut his trap. nt

[Heather MC]

112. Then he needs to keep his ole ass off the Campaign Trail

If he can't man up and support the party candidate, then fuck him
no one needs that shit right now. this race is "too close" for bullshit
and I am glad Chris Rock called him out on it. I just wish Bill had been sitting there to here it.

He is concerned about his "legacy" well everytime, he comes out out and does a limp dick endorsement of Obama, it tarnishes his precious legacy, because a lot of us are terrified to see a repuke take office again, and Bill seems more concerned about himself. Not what's best for the rest of us.

So fuck Bill

[Raineyb]

116. It would appear that the former President is under the impression that WE owe HIM

And that's not the case. Bill Clinton does not head the party anymore. The sooner he gets that in his head the better off we all will be. Otherwise he might as well go overseas or go home just go somewhere and STFU.

Why is it that every election year the man has a book to plug anyway? I doubt that the timing is coincidence.

Regards

[liberalmike27]

121. Fantastic then

If he feels that way, stay home. Don't damn him with faint praise. You are right, he owes nothing.

But if he's going on all these shows and putting Obama down, or acting indifferent, which is the real impression you get, then he can just skip it, or go on as a guy who is trying to sabotage Obama's campaign, so they can run again in 2012.

I knew this would happen. I said earlier that they would not do anything really obvious, but it'd be clear that they weren't really behind him. I also pointed out if they did, it'd be hopeless in 2012, so they may as well support him.

That 40 percent Hillary had isn't going to grow with him acting that way, that's for sure.

[Vattel]

173. Don't be obtuse

There's no evidenc of a Hillary-Bill plot to undermine Obama. Hillary has been very active in support of Obama, and Bill hasn't done anything that will hurt him.

[blm]

125. Bill and his loyalists trashed the Dem party infrastructure from 1995-2005. He owes Dems PLENTY.

How many lawmakers sacrificed THEIR integrity and careers by sticking it out with him over some of his truly bad decisions? Bill couldn't have stuck it out without loyal Dem lawmakers and activist voters like me. He let US down with his constant protection of BushInc when he had the ABILITY to strengthen OUR PARTY infrastructure as well as this nation, and instead his protection assured that BushInc would be the ones going into 2000 stronger than ever.

[Zhade]

212. Man, isn't THAT the truth. This hagiography of a got-lucky conservative ex-president is ludicrous.

He fucked up a lot of things, and was okay on some others.

Frankly, WE owe HIM nothing. And some of us are owed an APOLOGY -- like GLBT folk, and workers here and abroad, and medical marijuana patients, and Iraqis, and ...

[blm]

235. and 9-11 families and Iraqi families. There would've been NO 9-11 or Iraq war if Bill hadn't sided

with Poppy Bush and Jackson Stephens'and their powerful cronies as he protected their secrecy and privilege throughout the 90s when he deep-sixed all the serious matters of their illegal operations in BCCI...and IranContra's outstanding matters....and Iraqgate....and CIA drugrunning.

[Shakespeare]

152. Bill was trashed because he DESERVED it.

Self-centered son of a bitch.

[Vattel]

174. blah-blah-blah

[Shakespeare]

175. Thanks for your eloquent input.

My previous point stands.

[Zhade]

211. Please. If he didn't race-bait and lie, he wouldn't have people like you making excuses for him.

NT!

[Starry Messenger]

15. what's tingy?

[Name removed]

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[Starry Messenger]

28. ;)

[awoke_in_2003]

94. From Merriam-Webster

1 a: to color with a slight shade or stain : tint b: to affect or modify with a slight odor or taste

So, if we are all tingy, we are either dyeing our hair or wearing a new cologne. Since I support Obama, I guess I need to go get some Grecian formula, have a few greys popping up. Yeah, that's it :)

[Forkboy]

16. Um..maybe Bill is the one to ask that question of.

[Hutzpa]

30. Wow!!

you Clinton supporters do harbor deep resentment toward Obama,
some of you are not even ashamed to show it, My Gawd!!!

[JackBeck]

32. Have you read or seen Obama's speech from today?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7142789&mesg_id=7142789

If Clinton was playing the role of surrogate, he should have been hammering home the points that Obama explained in his speech today, especially since it is 42 days out from election.

Instead, he heaped praise on Paulson, Bernanke, and McCain, while barely mustering any praise for Obama.

[Colobo]

74. There are some DUers that like what Bill Clinton is doing

because they want Obama to lose.

[Kahuna]

101. DING DING DING DING DING DING!!! Last week on the CNBC threads..

they were in denial. But, Bill has his schtick all planned out. Praise Hillary and McCain (like during the primaries), and diss Obama.

[ampad]

232. Yup, it just goes to show

That for them this election was never about this country this was all about them. As I said before some of these people need to seek help.

[endthewar]

41. We'll win with or without Bill. He better hop on board the bandwagon before it's too late.

His legacy is at stake.

[Carolina]

161. his legacy is already shot with many of us former supporters

he can hop on whenever, but I won't forget his behavior and dismissive words toward Obama during this election cycle.

Add NAFTA, the 1996 Telecommunications Bill, his signature on Gramm-Leach-Bliley, welfare deform and HRC's Patriot Act, IWR and bankruptcy bill votes -- and I'm done with BOTH Clintons.

[roguevalley]

87. oh lord. we can talk about this without having to prove our

loyalty. We are Democrats, not Republicans. We don't have it put up with shit from anyone, especially Bill.
What a sad remark about someone discussing something that's true. Disagreeing with Bill isn't treason. I am.
sick of people attacking someone because they have something to say. We don't have to prove crap to anyone.
That's why I'm a Democrat, not a Republican.

[WinkyDink]

102. Chris Rock is an icon, too.

[RichGirl]

114. What Chris needs to understand...

is that Obama needs UNITY more than he needs Bill Clinton to say the right things. The last thing Obama needs right now is for his supporters to create disunity in the party.

Bill is loyal to his wife. Get over it!!

[Raineyb]

118. His wife is not running for President anymore

If he cannot talk about the election without giving a half-assed endorsement of Obama while talking about how good the Republican is then he needs to get the hell out of the limelight until after the election.

Clinton is the one who is sowing disunity with his petulance not Chris Rock for pointing out what he observed.

Regards

[merh]

126. It's about damned time he figured out he should be loyal to his wife.

He has never been loyal to the party, his "behavior" while in office harmed the party more than anything - he didn't help Gore, he didn't help Kerry - if he doesn't want to help the nation and get a dem elected he needs to get off the stage and just STFU - he can go golf with Poppy, they can have fun being "entitled" asses together.

[Teacher in SC]

205. Thank you!

It's about time someone called Clinton on his behavior.

[Whisp]

147. Bill is not loyal to his wife. or did you forget?

Bill is loyal only to himself and his needs.
Why does he act like a jerk?

because he can.

in his own words.

[redstate_democrat]

9. LOL!

He spoke the truth! And shamed the devil...

[girl_interrupted]

18. if anyone should be "ashamed" it should be the "red states"

Not a one of them is going for Obama, as usual, when it comes to Democrats & the General Elections. Nothing to thank them for, that's for damn sure.

[redstate_democrat]

31. WHAT are you talking about?

:rofl:

[Skittles]

50. it's that broad brush thing

fucking idiots

[firedupdem]

13. UUUGHHH I missed it! More details!!! n/t

[BrklynLiberal]

14. "Is it just me or did that man just not want to say the name "Barack Obama"?

[WinkyDink]

106. Oohhh, "that man"? A bit reminiscent of "that woman"!

[BrklynLiberal]

203. Actually I paraphrased incorrectly. Chris Rock said "Wow, HE just did not want to say

Barack Obkama"

[Arugula Latte]

17. Thank you, Chris Rock!

:toast: How refreshing!

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[firedupdem]

20. Thank you Chris! The way we supported Clinton and for him

to act like this is ridiculous!!

[No DUplicitous DUpe]

22. Thanks for the heads-up..It's just coming on now in the Mtn. time zone

I'm all ears.

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[rebel with a cause]

25. Now BlooInBloo

you know I am white and I gladly will listen to Black folks call a white man out, it the white man is wrong. Since I did not watch Letterman I don't know which is which, but I tend to like Chris better than Bill so......... I will go ask my daughter what she thought of Bill's interview and then make up my mind.

I got called out for making a statement about poor whites the other day and I am one, so I thought is only fair that I call you on your generalization. :)

[BlooInBloo]

27. You fail, tiger. I already added the meaningless qualifiers.

[rebel with a cause]

38. hey, how can I fail.

I had the dis-qualifier that I was poor and white. If that don't count nothing you had on did. :sarcasm: Just in case you don't know by now.

My daughter didn't see Cris's part of the show, but said that Clinton came across as old, sick and not very enthusiastic. Now wishes she hadn't quit watching before Cris came out. Dad gum the computer she had to get back to. ;)

[Skittles]

49. maybe he IS sick and unenthusiastic

ever think of that?

[rebel with a cause]

61. I am bill's age and I am sick

but I am enthusiastic about Obama. If I was not enthusiastic but a Democratic ex president, then I would be up for an Emmy for my performance on the tv today. I was not attacking him, but your post here have been a bit obvious in how you feel about what is going on.

[Skittles]

66. here is a press release for you

NOT EVERYONE IS ENTHUSIASTIC FOR OBAMA, INCLUDING A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO INTEND TO VOTE FOR HIM. MYSELF INCLUDED.

[rebel with a cause]

68. SURPRISE! SURPRISE!

Here is one for you. I never asked your opinion because I already knew it.

[Skittles]

70. you just POSTED something indicating you DIDN'T

[rebel with a cause]

80. Really?

:eyes: :rofl:

[Colobo]

76. You will be President Obama's #1 fan in a couple of years.

[Skittles]

79. LOL

I remember someone telling me the same thing about Kerry

[Colobo]

83. Obama is not being passive, like Kerry was. He's fighting to win.

[karynnj]

137. So was Kerry

I watched BOTH elections closely. Kerry was out there attacking Buish and defending himself - just as Obama is doing in his race with McCain. The big differences - 1)Obama has Kerry and others attacking harder than Obama is - Kerry had no one hitting even as hard as he was. 2) 2008 is a better year for Democrats and though still tilted, the media is less biased this year. (Note they gave Obama coverage when he answered the Wright concern, no network covered Kerry's response to the SBVT - which is why many here think it didn't happen.)

[politicasista]

199. Thank you!

It would be nice if some of Obama's supporters would stop thinking that dissing Kerry to praise Obama helps Obama. It does not.

[knixphan]

207. agreed

Obama's machine is leaps and bounds beyond Kerry's.

[politicasista]

210. That's because Obama has several of

Kerry's people working for him and learning the lessons of 00 and 04. Obama has Dean, YouTube, Democrats standing with him and a media protecting McCain only 75% of the time and Rove at his weakest. Kerry only had McAuliffe, lack of party support and a media that was protecting Bush 90% of the time with Rove at his strongest.

[BeyondGeography]

97. Not enthusiastic at the prospect of keeping John McCain and Sarah Palin from the White House?

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Zhade]

213. No fucking kidding!

NT!

[liberalmike27]

128. I may not be enthusiastic either

But the last thing I want is for BC to go on television and damn him with faint praise. If he is going to do that, to act like some sort of cold analyst, to pretend McCain is somehow noble, and to give the general impression that he really doesn't care who wins, then he needs to go home and sulk. HE does more damage to his own reputation, and Obama's chances, and Hillary's chances down the line.

[Shakespeare]

154. Bingo. I'm sick of seeing folks defend Lukewarm Bill.

If he can't manage to show some enthusiasm for Obama, then he needs to slink away and keep his selfish mug off the political stage until after the election.

[Zhade]

214. Exactly. He doesn't even have to praise Obama, JUST STOP PRAISING LIARS AND CROOKS LIKE MCLAME!

I mean, fuck! He does this, and people wonder why there are people who can't stand the guy who's praising our opponents???

[Carolina]

162. then he needs to stay home

in Chappaqua and STFU!

[stillcool]

33. What? Why would you bring racism....

into this thread? I don't know what white Americans you are talking about, in this thread or otherwise.

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[jbnow]

34. Well few will listen closely to a comedian of any color

But I know what you mean.

A big example of the impact of race is the many journalists who spoke up about Trinity church during the Wright hype. They were people who went to the church themselves or their friends and/or family did. When things broke many contacted dozens of members they knew because this was not the Wright they knew...it wasn't the Wright anyone they called knew, they were shocked by clips (and press conference!) and didn't hear him speak that way.
They were all ignored, cut off or dismissed. The subject was changed with no response or conversation.
Chris Matthews ended it with "That's hard to believe", Larry King was irritated because that wasn't the question. George S and Tim and Wolf just ignored it...
And these were respected journalists like Eugene Robinson and Cynthia Tucker of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution and so on.
Black journalists. Defending a mostly black church that was led by that angry black preacher. Who listens.
I kept achingly wondering if these were white journalists, if this was a white minister, a huge white congregation being slimed...would it ever have been so skewed a view? Would the fuller story not be told or listened to? Would they balance the minutes from a few sermons with decades of "normal" sermons and good works?
George S asked Jay Carney of Time magazine when we'd hear more about Wright. He said they had gone through years and years of sermons and found nothing else very controversial so the story was pretty much over.
Can you imagine that? The impression given by clips showed unendingly was completely false, they knew it and it was not a story.
I think that is about color. It made it all easier to dismiss.

Wow, that was off topic for the thread...but a long way to say that often blacks are heard differently.
But with Chris...well he is a comedian.

[Carolina]

163. and what are Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert?!

plenty of people not only listen to comedians; they pay more attention to them than to blathering news readers and pols.

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[truthisfreedom]

39. I listen to ANYTHING Chris Rock says. He's always SPOT-ON as a satirist/comedian, and excellent

with his social and behavioral observations.

And I'm lily-white.

[dailykoff]

222. He was funny as hell in "Head of State"

I think he's a pretty sharp observer.

[thewiseguy]

29. apparently Chris Rock did not get the memo that Bill Clinton supports Obama!

:sarcasm:

[Raineyb]

169. Actions speak louder than words

How Clinton is behaving is countermanding the "memo."

Regards

[knixphan]

208. indeed.

[Zhade]

215. Apparently BILL CLINTON didn't get the memo either.

Not when he praises mcLame.

[Skittles]

35. does Mr. Rock comprehend Obama needs those votes?

fucking STUPID

[ShortnFiery]

40. Sorry, I suspect those few DLC - "Corporations First and Always" votes will go to McSame.

They were never ours to beging with. :shrug:

[Skittles]

43. all votes for Hillary?

[ShortnFiery]

45. Oh come now and get real? Bill Clinton is showing some very ugly "true colors" = megalomania.

[Skittles]

47. WHO FUCKING CARES? THAT IS HIS FUCKING RIGHT

he was TRASHED during the primaries, he is MARRIED TO HILLARY

[scheming daemons]

52. And HILLARY is ON BOARD.... SHE'S OVER IT and doing GREAT for Obama

Why can't Bill follow his wife's lead?

[knixphan]

209. bingo.

[ShortnFiery]

No need to shout, but seriously, Bill needs to take a vacation for *our Party's sake.*

[BlooInBloo]

57. We agree on that much, at least. It is without a doubt his fucking right.

[Colobo]

58. Of course it's his right to act like if he's more intersted in Hillary running in 2012

than getting Obama elected...

[beac]

84. It sure seems like YOU care an awful lot.

Please consider that all the passion you feel about the way WJC was treated is similarly felt by Obama supporters about the way Clinton treated and continues to treat Obama.

And no, it is NOT his 'right' to SAY he's going to be supporting Obama and not to give it his all. If he didn't want to support Obama, he should have said so and stayed at home and out of the spotlight. Since he has SAID he's supporting Obama, he needs to DO it and DO it with ENTHUSIASM.

[Raineyb]

120. Damn skippy!

If BC is going to support Obama do it enthusiastically or don't bother. This half-assed nonsense is not helpful.

Regards

[beac]

167. Bumper sticker?

"If You're Not a Strong Donkey, You're a Half-Ass!" ;)

[Raineyb]

170. LOL Me likey! n/t

Regards

[WinkyDink]

107. Perhaps you are not aware that criticism is OUR right?

[DevonRex]

140. Huge double standard at play from that one. Sad, really. nt

[jrockford]

109. So what?

Because his feelings are hurt or he's suddenly feeling very loyal to his wife, he is willing to sacrifice the country and through non-action, help McCain/Palin?

Yeah, that makes sense. As do any of these apologists who were HRC supporters and are "holding their nose" to vote for Obama, as if there is any other sane option at this time.

[Joe the Revelator]

122. You are really, really...

dumb.

[DevonRex]

139. Huh? Who cares? Bill has always said that politics is a tough

business. That was his excuse for trashing Obama during the primaries. And if Bill can dish it out, he certainly should be able to take it. As he said, it's a tough business.

Or does that only apply to Obama and not Bill? Sounds like hypocrisy to me. It also sounds petty and vindictive. If Bill can't help he should shut his fucking mouth. And if he doesn't shut his fucking mouth, he will get what he deserves here.

And a newsflash: Bill is not God. He is not our savior. He's not perfect. He CAN do stuff that is wrong, and he HAS been doing stuff that is wrong. We have every right to question and criticize him for it, because it directly relates to the GE.

Sorry if you think he walks on water and somehow deserves to undermine our candidate. Thankfully, almost all democrats see it differently.

[Shakespeare]

156. Get over yourself, Skittles.

Bill earned every bit of that criticism, and spare me the "loyalty to his wife" bullshit. He had no problem getting his duck sucked by someone other than Hillary, so excuse me if I have a problem seeing him as a devoted, loyal husband.

And I'll get out my tiny violin for all the "not enthusiastic about Obama" losers. Comparing yourself to Bill Clinton in that regard is beyond laughable. Bill Clinton is one of the dominant faces of our party, and if he can't manage to muster a little show of enthusiasm, sincere or otherwise, then he needs to shut the fuck up until after the election. He is HARMING our chances every time he pulls that shit.

[Carolina]

164. trashed?! No, Bill got some well-

deserved criticism when his mouth jumped ahead of his brain. But who was trashing him? Not Obama

Get real, Bill has become an ass and a sore loser. He needs to STFU.

[Zhade]

216. ...aaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnd Hillary lost and threw her support behind Obama.

Your hurt feelings for an ex-president who really, honestly doesn't give ONE SHIT ABOUT YOU is selfish. You, and he, are willing to damage Obama over your petty sense of loss.

Grow the everloving fuck up already. Some of us have kids that we'd like to see grow up themselves.

You're not helping.

[Doremus]

225. Funny he didn't seem to care much about his marriage until now.

If Bill can't get behind our candidate he should just STFU.

I realize you'll find it hard to believe, but there are some things MORE IMPORTANT than Bill's ego, Bill's pride, Bill's wife.

We are trying to SAVE THE COUNTRY here for crissakes!

If he can't conduct himself properly he needs to go the hell home!

[BlooInBloo]

42. To hell with the blackmailers.

[Cha]

46. Freakin'

extortionists! Bravo Chris Rock.

[Skittles]

48. oh brother

:puke:

[Cha]

51. Puke your guts

out.

[Skittles]

54. already done

[Carolina]

165. you really need some help

[Ichingcarpenter]

56. When Chris Rock calls someone out..... you know you've been

in the skittles thrown on the floor like candy.

Chris Rock speaks truth to power unlike Bill.

[Cha]

60. Exactly! Some of these people can't take

truth to the power..it's all about enabling Bill Clinton with more bullshit.

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[Cha]

72. Turns out he's an

inveterate liar.

[Carolina]

166. so true and to think how ardently I supported

and defended him in the 90s. Fool me once...

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[Skittles]

67. OMG

truth to the power? :rofl:

[Cha]

71. Yeah, not something the bald face liar,

bill clinton, is big on.

[Hamlette]

55. Does Mr. Clinton?

He is the one who is hurting us. The only ppl who can not see it are Hillary supporters.

[patomime]

62. They are in

cooperation with one another. Bill Clinton in his wise way, is being neutral and diplomatic -- in order to collect the moderate republican and independent vote. Chris Rock in his wise way, is calling Bill Clinton out, saying that he did not reference Obama enough, collecting the African-American vote.

Either way ---

We win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bounce:

[ShortnFiery]

69. Wow! I don't think there's enough drugs in the universe to alter my consciousness

to believe the BUNK you just posted. :shrug:

[patomime]

81. Huh?

... my message was intended to be somewhat funny, taken lightly.

I guess it didn't pass the muster. Sorry, I seem to be getting jumped on tonight. I'll carry on.

Didn't mean to be offensive. Peace

[ShortnFiery]

136. No, I didn't mean to be too harsh. I just can't buy into that line of thinking but accept

that you are attempting to "calm the waters."

Let's get serious for a moment? I would love "nothing more" than for Bill Clinton to *embrace* the Obama/Biden candidacy. It would be beautiful and a real shot in the arm of OUR democratic party.

I WISH that Bill Clinton and Barack Obama could be locked in a suite for a weekend and "hash it all out."

Could you TRULY imagine if Bill Clinton and Barack Obama could be FRIENDS, the goals we could attain in both making our economy SOUND and also moving forward with social justice?!?

More than anything, I'm deeply disappointed that Bill Clinton can't truly be "the statesman" and "democratic party promoter" that I KNOW HE:S CAPABLE OF.

It's sad to see him so damn bitter and petty. But you can't deny the "VOID" within his present behaviors. :(

[McCamy Taylor]

82. Maybe Rock (a comic) was being funny? Chill, dudes. Our entertainers are not our political leaders.

They are more like moral guides.

I do not want Chris Rock to navigate the country through the current economic crisis, however it is his job to say unexpected and sometimes biting things that people are thinking but might not say but he can get away with because he frames them as jokes.

This is the way that we discuss shit in America.

P.S. Can someone direct me to where Obama has stood up for Bill Clinton in the face of the unified Republican assault in which they blame the current economic meltdown on Bill Clinton. I would sure be glad to read the strong, impassioned defense that either Joe Biden or Obama has made to support Big Dog so that he can hit the campaign trail and talk about how good the economy was in the 90s for Obama. Hint: It revolves around Eliot Spitzer's charge that Bush used his DOJ to stop the states from prosecuting predatory lenders, something that Clinton's DOJ would never have done (they would have been all over the predatory lenders themselves). This recent attack against Clinton is designed to hurt Obama campaign.

[beac]

85. So we're back to 'Obama has to do something for Clinton first'???

:eyes:

[Hieronymus]

91. Wow, you have a grudge, huh?

[bridgit]

95. Ah man don't *say* that!

:scared:

[Bucky]

201. Our entertainers are not our political leaders, but then neither are our political leaders

[Zhade]

217. You want Obama to lie? After all, BC signed NAFTA and GS into law.

So yeah, this meltdown IS partly his fault.

[krkaufman]

230. GS? nt

[Hieronymus]

90. God Love Chris Rock...a perfect reaction.

[CakeGrrl]

92. Kudos, Chris - calling it like it is.

WTF is that shit? Clinton's basically saying to swing voters 'either one is qualified, so pick whoever you want'.

Anyone who brings up the Primary popular vote and still lies about it, like he did earlier on The View, is dogwhistling to the PUMAs, as much as Carville wearing those damned sneakers to the Dem Convention.

Thinking someone will win because of the current economic climate is not the same as wanting them to win.

If Bill can't put his heart into it and is only flying below the radar, he should sit out. Hopefully Obama isn't surprised at this tepid "support".

[bridgit]

93. That's not what I heard "immediately following Clinton's appearance". I heard Rock...

properly acknowledge the level, pith and importance of the topics Lettermen and Clinton were discussing, and how Clinton had a grasp of what he was saying. Then he shifted the gear shtick in his funny car and bounced & rambled round his comedy styling' which are always funny, prickly and society/headlines based. Rock's a funny guy. But if you're just looking for someone to lambaste Clinton tune into Rush Limbaugh. Cause that Limbaugh dude just won't shut his yap about everything Dem including Clinton, either Clinton. Or Dennis Prager, yeah, listen to some of that shit :thumbsup:

[Major Hogwash]

99. It's really beyond pathetic.

When the last sitting Democrat president won't even endorse the nominee of the party by talking about him and saying his name 40 days before the election.

I really thought that the reason Letterman had Bubba on so long was because he was so sure that Bubba would eventually say something nice about Obama, if he waited long enough.

I guess Bubba thought the 30 minutes he was on was not long enough.

[BklynChick]

110. Chris Rock telling it like it is... as usual! k/r

[BklynChick]

111. I loved when he said he was working in the "battleground state of Brooklyn"

:rofl: I can relate to that. No work to do here! That's why we're going to PA this weekend!

[cboy4]

113. Still have up the anyone but Hillary for VP in your profile,

huh scheming?

Is there no depth to your hatred of the Clintons?

[TexasObserver]

115. Bill was simply awful last night on Letterman. Rock was dead on.

Bill has been pulling this shit since South Carolina.

I see by the number of "ignored" on this thread that the Bill Clinton First posters are still among us. Because you can't criticize Bill, even when he's being a complete turd, which is more and more often these days.

Is this sorry SOB going to cost us another election?

[donco6]

117. I agree. But I don't think he'll cost us the election.

Just our long-held respect.

[goclark]

124. Absolutely ~

I have an autographed copy of a book that will be for sale ~ is Ebay a good choice?

[Zhade]

219. Better save it for toilet paper, the way the economy's crashing - in part thanks to BC.

Remember, he signed NAFTA and GS into law!

[DevonRex]

145. Mine is gone already. And it really pisses me off that a man that

I defended tooth and nail will not fight tooth and nail for US. I never believed any of hte bad stuff about him until it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Even then I said that he had been the subject of a witch hunt and that something bad would come out about ANYBODY who was subjected to that kind of BS.

After all that loyalty WE gave HIM, why can't HE fight for US?

[DevonRex]

142. Looks like he's trying his best to undermine Obama to me. He might

as well join the republican party at this point, because he's sure not acting like he wants the democrat to win.

[TexasObserver]

148. Bill has never done anything for the Party except to help himself.

His legacy will be that we stood by him when we should have thrown his sorry ass to the wolves, and let Al Gore become president in 1999.

[DevonRex]

149. You're quite right. And it galls me to say that I was a HUGE

Clinton fan. I was giddy with it. In short, I was dumb.

[TexasObserver]

151. I defended Bill zealously until South Carolina, this year.

But his conduct this year has proved that he really is just a selfish bastard who uses the party when he needs it.

[AspenRose]

129. I think Chris Rock is trying to telegraph to President Clinton and his entourage

that his words and actions are being closely watched, particularly in the black community, and that certain perceptions, real or imagined, are often seen as reality.

[scheming daemons]

131. Good point

[Raster]

132. Agreed. Like it or not, Chris Rock has more "black" cred right now than Bill Clinton.

Rock has always been a damned good barometer of the black community. And unlike Clinton, Rock really is black. Not faux black, not "I've got my office in Harlem" black. Black black. And like it or not, Bill Clinton's supposed status as the "first black President" is somewhat in question. And for better or for worse, Hillary Clinton is NOT THE FUCKING NOMINEE. Time to move on and get the fuck over it. For EVERYONE.

Wake Up, America!:kick:We CAN Do Better!

[Shakespeare]

159. Bill lost every ounce of his black cred when he opened his petty little mouth in South Carolina.

Somebody who knows better, who's not a racist himself, exploiting the racism of others. That was the moment he lost me.

[Vattel]

178. Jesse Jackson won big in South Carolina.

Demographics there favor black candidates in Democratic primaries. How could Clinton have suggested such a thing? Surely he was trying to demean Obama and suggest that he was only the black candidate. Granted, Jesse jackson didn't interpret Bill's remarks in that way, but what does he know? We all know what Clinton's true motives were because we can read minds. We are the idiotic mind readers of DU.

[Shakespeare]

179. It was an attempt to marginalize.

And if you think folks on DU are the only ones who picked up on it, you need to get out more. Longtime Clinton supporters (including the center-left Josh Marshall) were horrified by it, and rightly so.

[Vattel]

182. Sorry, idiot mind readers everywhere

[Shakespeare]

183. There was no mind-reading involved.

His words were right out there for everyone to hear. That lost him Clyburn's friendship, too, and that's no small thing.

[Vattel]

184. his words were true

so if there was no mind reading, then what's the problem?

[Shakespeare]

185. It's the intent behind them.

Please, let's dispense with the faux-innocence. A legion of people--including many very bright political minds--were stunned and disappointed with Clinton.

And I don't give a flying fuck if you agree or not--I said that's when Clinton LOST my admiration, and there's really nothing to argue about in that regard.

[Zhade]

220. So you know better than African-Americans how they feel about what BC said?

:rofl:

Talk about hubris. White Man's Burden much?

[DevonRex]

143. You may be right. And if Bill doesn't want people to doubt his

intentions, then all he has to do is come out forcefully and positively FOR Obama. As long as he keeps doing this namby pamby bullshit, people will wonder and talk.

So, it's all on Bill. He's the one causing the controversy. He could stop it any time he wanted to. But he hasn't done so, even though folks have been wondering and whispering for a long, long time and he KNOWS it.

As far as I'm concerned, he's doing exactly what he wants to do for petty and vindictive and selfish and childish reasons. But hey. That's what Bill has turned into.

[Beacool]

226. So, now Bill Clinton should measure his word because he may offend some people?

He is not running for anything and can say whatever the hell he wishes to say.

[Levgreee]

135. I'm watching Clinton on the View... WTF on "just voting against economic interest"?What about roe v

wade? WHy didn't he mention this?

[LiberalHeart]

138. Did you miss the part where Chris also heaped praise on him?

[Clio the Leo]

144. "She lost to a black guy nobody heard of...."

... THANK YOU KRIS!!! .... FINALLY I have a response to the lame a** "the media was sexist BS."

[bigtree]

150. he looked like a fool

I was embarrassed for him.

Will folks ever quit whining about the Clintons?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

155. This is a perfect example of why Obama is reluctant to go negative in the campaign.

A lot of white racists get real upset when black people criticize white people.

[Shakespeare]

158. Excellent point. n/t

[BigDDem]

168. I remember when Chris Rock use to be funny.

[Raineyb]

172. Then you might want to look for your sense of humor

Chris Rock hasn't changed.

Regards

[BigDDem]

176. Thanks for the tip! Have a good one!

[AtomicKitten]

180. Chris used to be a big fan of Clinton and Clinton himself changed that.

[Vattel]

181. Clinton should campaign more vigorously for Obama.

But I don't see why people think that he is hurting Obama's chances by giving him tepid support. And it is loony to think that Hillary is out there campaigning vigorously for Obama, but is nevertheless part of some Clinton plot to cause Obama to lose so that Hillary can win in 2012.

[DevonRex]

204. I don't necessarily think he's hurting Obama's chances. I just think

like you do - that he should be helping. We need every bit of help we can get.

[Zhade]

223. It's the PRAISING OF OBAMA'S REPUBLICAN OPPONENT that harms us.

I mean, fucking DUH?

[suston96]

200. What crap! I watched both appearances and Clinton followed the lead from the interviewers...

Letterman had, as he always does, a list of questions.

Clinton supported the Democratic choices in both appearances and even predicted an Obama Biden win saying he didn't think it would be close.

But by all means, keep the Clinton hate going. McCain Palin need a few more votes in those close states.

[Beacool]

206. Rock is a comedian and not a former president,

Clinton was acting like a statesman by not trashing the opposition.

[Zhade]

224. A simple "no comment" versus *praising* the republican. Hmmmm.

I wonder which one actually hurts our chances in November?

[phoenixriz]

227. As Far as I'm Concerned

Bill Clinton is honestly only in it for Bill. They don't even live together. He is mad Hillary didn't win because it won't continue to elevate his prestige. He is all about power and wealth and by not being in the White House it will effect him financially. If anyone is bitter, he is. He wants to hobnob with the Bilderberg set and be one of the elite. Obama burst his bubble. You think he isn't jealous that Barbara Streisand sang for Obama also. He didn't do Hillary any favors. I think she would have done better without all his old croney's running her campaign. I support Obama 110%. This country needs him in the White House and I am out there fighting for that. End of story.

[ampad]

233. OMG

The simple it burns! Geesh some of these fucking people. Wow, If Clinton needs some motivation to keep his big yap shut and not say anything nice about McCain he should remember the joke McCain told about his adolescent daughter. I think if I was Clinton it would be pretty hard for me to say anything nice about that bag of bones, asshole, McCain. Chelsea was just a kid back then, a young teen. I'm sure if she did hear that joke it did not do much for her self esteem or her feelings. Let Clinton remember that the next time he gets up there and showers McCain/Palin with praise.

[quickesst]

234. With the influx of Clinton hating threads lately....

one can only surmise, with the election only weeks away, that the campaign for a scapegoat in case of an Obama loss has begun in earnest. I've read this book before, but until this election, the authors have been primarily republicans. Stealing ideas and agendas from the disgusting GOPissants. Priceless, if your measure of worth is disgust. From "Fuck the Clintons, we don't need them" to "it's all the Clinton's fault", the simple, but effective script is being played out before our eyes. Thanks.
quickesst

[Lilith Velkor]

236. Pretty odd considering how well Obama is doing

and how Clinton's record on the economy helps the Democrats. You'd think Obama supporters would want to capitalize on that.

Or, um, maybe not.