How do anti-Clinton threads help Obama and the Democratic Party?

[rug]

[Sodan]

1. Hide thread... used it a lot ;)

[rug]

6. I don't. I'm curious about the purpose and motivation.

[Sodan]

9. did the same with the "concerned"-threads.

and the PBS polls.

Nothing there ..move on ;)

[Lerkfish]

32. I don't think you're curious at all, since you already have your perceived answer

I think you're bitter and sowing discord.

[rug]

35. Yes. of course, that must be it.

[Balderdash]

41. Nah, that is clearly your job... nt

[cboy4]

45. Oh brother.

lol

[calico1]

16. I've hidden about 20 anti Clinton threads so far...nt

[JuniperLea]

70. I only started the practice this morning...

So I'm only up to 11.

Bill Clinton is NOT running for president. I think it particulary bad that these anti-Bill threads clog GD : P.

[Demi_Babe]

23. excellent idea

[roguevalley]

79. Palin does the same thing. If you talk about her and it isn't fawning,

you are a hater. Jeez, I wish some people would graduate from middle school already.

[Curtland1015]

2. Well, I think their point is "How is BILL CLINTON helping the democratic party?"

I see their point. But as I said somewhere else, I'm willing to reserve judgement until I see how this all plays out.

[Lerkfish]

3. How do threads calling attention to such threads help Obama, either?

:shrug:

[rug]

7. That's another thread.

Do you have a thought on this one?

[Lerkfish]

10. um, I AM talking about this thread.

THIS thread does not help Obama, either.

[bunnies]

4. The same way this thread does.

:banghead:

[rug]

8. No, this thread isn't bashing a Democrat.

[bunnies]

11. You asked about helping Obama. This thread does not. nt

[Lerkfish]

18. true. in fact, THIS thread only defends clinton OVER the party and Obama

really, when you get right down to it, what IS the purpose of this thread other than to shame people for criticizing clinton?

Personally, I think we should all view the clintons as irrelevant to the goal at hand, and that means not getting too bent out of shape by what their latest gaffes are, AND not getting all whiney when people call attention to those gaffes.

We should all move on.

[rug]

21. Shame is in the eye of the beholder. Why don't you simply answer instead of divert.

[Lerkfish]

27. um, dude, I DID answer, you just don't like my answer.

My answer is this thread is promoting disunity intentionally.

[rug]

19. Read the question again. It's quite direct.

[Lerkfish]

12. THIS thread is trying to perpetuate disunity.

yes, yes, I believe it is.

[rug]

22. You have a peculiar belief system.

[Lerkfish]

28. no, I have a low bullshit threshold.

[rug]

30. Could have fooled me.

[Lerkfish]

34. good point. I'm still talking to you, aren't I?

my threshold isn't low enough, apparently.

[rug]

37. No, you're not.

[BklynChick]

5. I think people are just venting. I know I am. So much of what comes out of Bill's mouth these days

is aggravating! :mad:

[donco6]

13. It makes ME feel better.

And isn't this post just another way of saying, "Now is not the time to point fingers?"

[QC]

14. Who says these people are trying to help Obama and the party?

Perhaps they are more interested in finding opportunities to engage in poutrage.

[Captain Hilts]

24. QC nails it, again.

ER: Isn't that QC just grand?
FDR: Indeed QC is!
ER: Hop in!

[QC]

25. Thanks! n/t

[Clio the Leo]

Thank you. NT

[cali]

15. very, very few threads here help (or hurt) Obama and the Dem party

It's a discussion board. There's bound to be differences of opinion. People express their opinions. It's that simple.

[joshcryer]

17. Actually, if the media picks up on this BS like they did they irrelevant PUMA crap...

...then it could have an impact. There's a lot of bullshit innuendo flying around here and I really wouldn't have expected you and others of your calibre to be spouting it.

But then again I have high expectations of people, and am usually disappointed.

[Captain Hilts]

26. I STILL can't believe the traction that shit had. The MSM loves a 'catfight'.

Even when there isn't one!

I saw some older women in a restaurant - they were not even there with each other but were talking amoung several tables - who were just FROTHING at how the media treated Hillary Clinton and NOT ONE of them said they'd vote for McCain.

[joshcryer]

29. It's ridiculous. The PUMAs were basically nobodies, insignificant nobodies.

But the media portrayal of them put them on equal footing. Just like the media likes to put anti-global warming people up against global warming people on equal footing despite that the scientific consensus is for global warming. So they go find some crazy haired old lady to talk shit about party unity while not representing any significant number of people at all.

Mind you the whole 'divide' was purely media created, and it maintains itself as a purely media creation. I should note that the blogosphere and forums contribute to this greatly.

[Captain Hilts]

33. That's exactly right. nt

[cliffordu]

65. BEE QUIET!!!! THE MEDIA MIGHT BE LISTENING!!!!!

In the scheme of things, I don't know that DU is that important to Wolfe Blitzer and his ilk.

[Captain Hilts]

20. They help DUers figure out who knows their history and who does not.

So many folks here don't remember how DEMS blocked Clinton from being a progressive president vis a vis gays in the military, healthcare reform, balanced budget, etc.

How the family leave act got passed with so many conservative Dems is something I've never understood.

[blm]

74. HAHAHA...like Bill's deep-sixing of BCCI and CIA drugrunning didn't help GOPs and Bushes throughout

the 90s. The conservatives in congress and especially the RW mouthbreathers wouldn't have had a PRAYER of taking over congress if Bill didn't side with the secrecy and privilege of Poppy Bush, Jackson Stephens and their cronies.

This nation could have survived and THRIVED if Bush had stayed in office and faced the certain impeachemnt he would get after the Dec 1992 BCCI report was released.

[Jakes Progress]

31. They help us identify

possible freepers as those who would like to see us discuss anything but mccain. And they help us recognize those who come here to grouse rather than help. They have that right. It is a discussion forum, but they let us know their motives and motivations by their posts.

[Lerkfish]

36. ah yea, the "freeper" accusation

its like the primaries all over again.

[Jakes Progress]

40. You don't believe

that we have freepers lerking here?

[Name removed]

42. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Lerkfish]

38. flamebait

[Balderdash]

43. I agree, you're posting flamebait! nt

[bowens43]

39. Who said they help Obama?

Do you think that all posts on DU have to be about helping Obama? This is a political discussion site. We discuss politics.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

44. Very, very little on DU helps or hurts Obama or the Democratic Party.

In fact, pretty much just that little banner at the top of the screen fits either of those roles. The only people even remotely aware of DU are likely to be those whom have already made up their minds (ie. DUers and Freepers).

[Zuiderelle]

62. Good point. The only way DU helps is to raise money for Obama.

And somewhat subjectively it helps by providing information in one spot... however mixed with off-the-wall opinion it is at times.

[goldcanyonaz]

46. They are the tie that binds around here.

[FloridaGrl]

47. Ok let's all agree

to just ignore Bill this election.

[Captain Hilts]

48. No, because he's the one that can expand Obama's demographic. THAT's why he's...

been asked to spend several days in Ohio and Penn.

Good thing Sen. Obama knows how these things work.

[FloridaGrl]

60. He has been doing an excellent job so far

all this is doing is causing anger and division. It's not about the Clintons this year. Sorry. Now I am going to follow my own advice.

[thewiseguy]

49. Just the same way you have been helping Obama in the past months

By posting many pro Obama threads!

[Blasphemer]

50. They make no impact one way or the other

Nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade. Clinton has not been particularly helpful anyway so it's not as though anything is being lost. In any case, in 41 days it won't matter. Obama will be President-elect and even if the Clinton's attempt to undermine his Presidency, he will have enough support in place to neutralize them.

[Lilith Velkor]

51. I'm rather curious about that, myself.

As soon as they stop foaming at the mouth, maybe one of the freep - er, Clinton detractors will tell us.

[scheming daemons]

52. How does NOT acknowledging that Bill is HURTING Obama help Obama and the Democratic Party?

[Zuiderelle]

61. Do you write about anything else?

[scheming daemons]

77. This isn't my thread.....

I responded to it... just like you responded to me.

[IndianaGreen]

53. How does Bill Clinton help Obama and the Democratic Party?

Certainly Bill's snarky appearances on The View and David Letterman have done nothing to help us against McCain.

[mtnsnake]

55. because Obama himself has referenced to the GOOD 8 years under Clinton

while making his attack on the Bush years. Barack has referenced to Clinton's term in a very positive manner quite often.

[quiet.american]

54. You know what, if it was okay for every thread to be about Palin for about a month --

-- then threads calling out Clinton are small potatoes.

[rvablue]

57. SMALL POTATOES, MY ASS!

Really, Sarah Palin is a neophyte who scares the be-geesus outta me. The thought of her getting anywhere near the White House is a nightmare!

And Bill Clinton, the only two-term Democratic president in the last 60 years who left our economy sound and kept us out of war, deserves the same treatment???????????

In an alternate universe if you had to go through another 8 years with Clinton, or suffer Palin for that time, which one would you pick.

I finally signed up for DU once I saw the Clinton bashing die down here -- you are insulting a lot of people and doing a HUGE disservice to the party by going after him every time he opens his mouth.

This post reaks of Nader 2000!

[quiet.american]

59. What you're talking about has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

Listen, just about every Dem gets called out on DU. It's no big deal. And it's a healthy thing.

Now, the very morning after Obama gave his magnificent acceptance speech, from the moment Palin was announced as McCain's running mate, every single thread in DU was based on Palin for the next few weeks. The threads that tried to talk about, laud or bring attention to, our own candidates, sank like a stone, time after time after time. That was far more alarming than two or three threads calling out Clinton.

You're so way off on what you think my intentions are; you've blown a gasket based on something out of your own imagination.

[GeorgeGist]

56. In the opposite way that pro-Clinton threads help McCain.

[LanternWaste]

58. I imagine Rush Limbaugh could give us an answer....

I imagine Rush Limbaugh could give us an answer, as it seems many of the anti-Clinton points made on DU originate on his show...

[karynnj]

63. You have a good point - to our knowledge Bill Clinton does nor read DU

Therefore, they are good only for blowing off steam for people annoyed - which can help them

but, it may make it harder for the Clinton fans, now supporting Obama.

Maybe we should write letters to Clinton - state our past respect, and tell him how this looks to us - ie if he is really that good in feeling our pain, sincere letters might move him to either be quiet or to be more enthusiastic.

[Belay]

68. This is Obama's race, not Clinton's

It's best for the party if we do what's best for the country. Hillary lost. Neither she or her husband get to dictate how the race is run. It's always been that way. You don't see Edwards or Richardson bossing us around. Why should the Clintons be any different?

[karynnj]

72. It's true it is Obama's race

and Richardson and HRC are helping - the problem is that WJC may be a net zero or even hurt - if he can't be positive, he should go visit Africa again - for about 2 months.

You misread me - I was not defending Bill.

[JuniperLea]

64. They don't... I've hidden 11 threads so far this morning...

Bill's an ass. He did some good things. I want to move on. I'm hiding all Clinton threads today... and as long as it takes. We don't need the diversion.

[musicblind]

66. I just ignore the threads

hateful people will post hateful things.

Luckily, most poeple are not hateful.

[Sebastian Doyle]

67. How do pro-McCain statements from Bill Clinton help Obama and the Democratic Party

:shrug:

[beac]

69. Bingo! Spot on.

I can't believe ANYONE is trying to claim that BC is doing ANYTHING but undermining our candidate.

[AtomicKitten]

71. How does Clinton's anemic support for Obama help the party?

[izzybeans]

73. Given recent history it is fair to assess what actually happened in the past 30

years to lead us down this road. It's not just one administration's fault. Privatization and deregulation was the rage under Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II. The ideological buzz words are not going to cut it any more when it comes to good governance and uncovering them will force us to actually question ourselves, no matter how painful that may be.

For Clinton's support for Obama, I'm not sure what those threads are about. I just don't see him being that uncertain.

[FrenchieCat]

75. They don't......

even the ones that I have been responsible for.

[CANDO]

76. How do Clinton supporters voting for McCain help the Democratic Party?

Really! I have a neighbor who supported Kerry and had Clinton yard signs out this spring, who now has a MCain/Palin sign up. Fuck it, I give up! Go ahead and destroy our future. If Obama loses this race, I give my solemn vow that I will never vote for Clinton in '12. You selfish bastards have it coming. There will never be a Hillary Presidency, NEVER! If Hillary had won the primary, I would have voted for her because she's my party's nominee.

[No Elephants]

78. How do pro-Clinton threads help Obama? How do threads like this help Obama? He is the candidate.

[Life Long Dem]

80. Hypocrite.

[Alexander]

81. How does Clinton refusing to say Obama's name help Obama?

:shrug:

[pecwae]

82. It's simple to think

anything posted here has any effect anywhere but here.