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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:48 AM
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Troopergate: A Cat Slipped Out of the Bag
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 09:48 AM by kpete
Troopergate: A Cat Slipped Out of the Bag
By Bademus - September 23, 2008, 12:47AM

Palin and Co. have stonewalled the Troopergate investigation and many are wondering if this will declaw it enough to get through the election. People are also wondering if the intense effort put towards hiding information may actually be worse than the crime. Why such fuss and legal muscling? Why refuse to release 1100 emails? What are they hiding? Actions were taken by Palin, her husband and staff that go beyond verbally pressuring Monegan to fire Wooten and beyond firing Monegan for not bowing to the pressure. Those actions almost got buried, but someone had a tape recorder.

If you listened to the tape of the conversation between Frank Bailey and a member of Monegan's staff Bailey can be heard talking about a workers' compensation claim that Wooten filed and claiming information he put on it is false. The claim information that Bailey had is confidential information from Wooten's personnel files. Those confidential files were brought to the Governors office and gone through by Palin's staff in an effort to block Wooten's workers' compensation benefits and some testimony was made just last week regarding that. From an opinion piece in Saturday's Anchorage Daily News:

http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/532372.html
The real damage to Palin from Troopergate comes with an injury claim involving trooper Wooten when he hurt his back while in the line of duty.

Independent investigator Steve Branchflower testified recently he believes someone in the governor's office tried to block Wooten's workers' compensation injury benefits.

Harbor Adjustment Services, the company hired by the state to process, evaluate and decide on workers' benefit claims, had great financial incentive in bowing to pressure from the governor to deny Wooten's injury claim.

Obviously, the state is Harbor Adjustment Services' largest client. The owner of the company denies the governor's office pressured her to deny Wooten's benefits. Why wouldn't she? Ratting out the governor could cost her the lucrative state contract.

But Branchflower says an employee with Harbor Adjustment Services contradicts the owner and has testified the governor's office did apply pressure to deny Wooten his benefits.

Branchflower says the unnamed employee testified, "I don't, you know, care if it's the president who wants the claim denied. I'm not going to deny it unless I have the medical evidence to do that,"


We know the governor's office was very interested in Wooten. Dianne
Kiesel, a state employee with the Department of Administration, tells me former Palin chief of staff Mike Tibbles instructed her to walk Wooten's personnel file over to the governor's office.

And there is the governor's aide, Frank Bailey, caught on tape admitting he has information that came from Wooten's workers' comp file.


The very file that includes pictures, taken by none other than Todd Palin, of Wooten riding a snowmachine trying to prove the trooper was not injured.

Here's why this is all so damaging to the governor. It's one thing to try to get a trooper fired because you believe he is a danger to the public. But using your considerable power as governor to block the benefits of a former family member you have a long-running dispute with moves this scandal into a new realm.


It becomes about one thing and one thing only, revenge. Not public good, but settling a score.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/09/troopergate-a-cat-slipped-out.php
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:50 AM
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1. abuse of office
plain and simple
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 01:09 AM
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41. This should be the picture of the streets of Juneau!
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:34 AM
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51. That's what's going to happen when if another election is stolen. n/t
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OakCliffDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:53 AM
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82. Republican Modus Operandi
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Tinksrival Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:52 AM
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2. It's a vendetta
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:57 AM
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5. Abusing ones office to carry out the vendetta
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:13 AM
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57. I'm sure the stupid bitch
considered it 'an eye for an eye'. All these fundies are vindictive. I've worked with them. There is no aspect of greater morality in any area compared to the non-fundy citizenry. Well, with the exception of using 'swear words' or what is considered bad language, as if that is a measure of one's actual moral bearing. Superficial assholes!
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Boudica the Lyoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:00 AM
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73. I got a death threat from a fundy once
It was very serious one. He told me they were coming to kill me and wanted me to tell him how I wanted to die and all that rubbish, yet not one swear word was uttered. When I said "bring it on motherfucker" he gasped with shock. He probably thought I was going to hell for swearing.

The reason I got the death threat was because I told the regional newspaper the fundy running for congress, Cathy McMorris Rodgers, was not raised on an orchard in our district like she claimed she was. In fact she was raised in Northern BC Canada until a Jr in high school. Then she went off to a Christian fundy college in Pensacola FL. She is another Palin and needs to be watched very closely.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:08 AM
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78. OOH OOH Me Too!
I was quoted in the "Voice on the street" section of the local paper, praising Michael Moore after a ralley in 2004. My photo was included. The next day, there was a psycho note on my desk at work, with the photo glued to it, and my eyes crossed out. The note threatened me and my family.

Though our workplace was monitored by video cam, my fundie bosses could not/would not help. Supposedly on that day, the camera was not turned on, or some such bullshit.

Cops were called, reports filed, and I was urged to sue the company. In stead, I accepted a cushy desk job in their downtown office and a fat raise. Did I sell out? Probably, but I really never felt that the company was at fault, just chickenshit and trying to avoid the scandal. Plus, the cushy desk job was a resume builder, and has served me well since then.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:56 AM
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84. Perfect example.
They would happily stamp out free speech because it does not match their own radical rapture driven agenda. It's shocking when you see it first hand. Where is the Jesus in it?

Michael Moore = 'the devil' to these nuts. I mean he is an advocate of improved health care and he is against the Iraq War. So he can't be right with the Lord. :sarcasm:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:47 AM
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83. This is my point.
It is how they will do anything in the interest of their particular dogma. Including kill non-believers. So much fo being pro-life.

But mostly they engage in lies. If their lives are so wonderfully rich in the lord why are they so afraid of the light of day.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:56 AM
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3. God she really is W in 3-inch red heels isn't she? W-idget, Gidget's evil twin.
No wonder the pukes love her.
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trueblue2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:14 AM
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79. All repukes are hypocrites. Sarah is one of them
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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:56 AM
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4. Oh no! Not CHRISTIAN Sarah. She wouldn't do anything like that, would she!?1 ;-> n.t
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:58 AM
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6. WWN
Wicked Witch of the North
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:58 AM
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7. veeeery interRESTing. nt
:popcorn:
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:59 AM
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8. try to imagine the outcry and 24/7 coverage
if Joe Biden was heavily lawyered up and dodging subpoenas issued by the Delaware Legislature. It would be on CNN, MSRNC, and Fox in heavy rotation not seen since Jeremiah Wright.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:33 AM
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17. I know..this is getting so thick with plots that
even the corporatemediawhore$ might have to start breaking the story on Benefitgate.
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BrainStorm Donating Member (922 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:59 AM
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9. Look, let's face it: most of Alaska is nowhere.
There are native villages out in the boonies living in their own human waste and pissing into buckets because the local and state governments can't take the HUGE sums of money they get from Congress and build fucking water systems and sewage plants. Kids grow up with e coli and get boils and other skin irritations, and there are lagoons full of human waste.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:34 AM
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18. What the hell does that have to do
with the OP?
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 04:58 PM
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31. If what BrainStorm says is true, I'd say it's another indictment of Palin's ability to help Alaskans
especially those of the indigenous persuasion.


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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:55 PM
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28. Alaska may be "nowhere" but Caribou Barbie has come to the Lower 48
That Pistol Packin' Mama will have met her match if the MSM can ever get off their fat butts and give this the attention it so richly deserves.

:popcorn: Pass the butter.

Hekate


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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:17 PM
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29. do you live there or did you just pull this out of your ass?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 10:03 AM
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10. D'OH, they got it on tape!
That's spelled D-O-O-M.

Looks like Sarah will lose in November, only to be impeached in her home state in December.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 10:09 AM
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11. K/R.
:kick:
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 10:12 AM
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12. And, the taping was legal under Alaska laws

I see a news article about hidden tape recorders and I think "Linda Tripp". Found this on an Alaska law website about Alaska Employment law. http://www.akemplaw.com/wiki/2008/08/28/secret-tape-recordings-in-alaska-wokplaces/


. . . Under Alaska Statute 42.20.310, tape-recording a conversation is legal so long as at least one party to the conversation consents. If the employee is part of the conversation, the Alaskan employee acts legally (under the criminal law, at least) in taping the conversation.

If the other parties to the conversation ever find out about the tape recording, they almost certainly won’t be happy. Their recourse? In Alaska, they won’t get far with filing criminal charges, but they may have a tort claim for damages against the taping employee - for invasion of privacy. Probably more importantly, the employer may be able to fire the employee for the taping. Most employer manuals, personnel policies, and union contracts don’t expressly bar secret tape-recording (though they should, if that’s a real concern for the employer), but most manuals or policies bar “dishonest acts” or include other categories of terminable misconduct that might well include secret tape-recording.

Will the employee’s job be saved if the tape captured evidence of employer misdeeds (admission of retaliatory or discriminating motives, say)? That depends on what motivated the employer to fire the person - was the employer offended at the secret tape-recording, without regard to the contents of the tape, or was the employer using the tape-recording as an excuse to fire the employee for some protected activity? In the 7th Circuit case, the employee failed to show that the employer was lying when it said it was offended at only the secrecy of the tape-recording.

Is the tape admissible? Probably so, if it’s complete and audible. But unless the employee has caught the supervisor in some black-and-white horrible misconduct, the employee runs the risk that many arbitrators, judges, and jurors will come away thinking that the employee is a sneaky, conniving person lacking in loyalty to fellow employees. That unfavorable impression will hurt the employee in other areas of her or his case.



It looks like whomever made that tape (which will be helpful, legally, in authenticating it) won't have to worry about civil prosecution.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:35 AM
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19. Wow, thanks
Mabus!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:13 AM
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13. back to the top
:kick:
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:20 AM
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14. And, likely there is more.
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WA98070 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:29 AM
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15. Did you notice that Workman's Comp is "privatized"? This is happening all over.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:00 PM
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22. I believe that Harbor Adjustment Services is the insurance adjusting company
Actually the state of Alaska pays out the benefits, but they have hired a private adjustment service to supervise the claim and adjust it for state employee claims like Wooten's. They decide whether to accept a claim and pay benefits for time off work and give medical treatment where needed. If they deny a claim, it goes into litigation before the Alaska workers compensation board where administrative judges decide the issues. In that case, Wooten would be the applicant (or plaintiff) and Harbor Adjustment Services (representing the state of Alaska) would be the defendant. Having the Governor tell the adjustment service to deny a claim is really outrageous in my opinion. It undermines the credibility of the entire work comp system regarding state employee injury claims and their defense. In California where I'm more familiar with work comp claims it would be incredible for a Governor to call up State Compensation Insurance Fund to tell them how to adjust a claim made by a state employee. It would put into question the neutrality and legitimacy of the system adjusting every case brought by an injured state employee.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:30 AM
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16. Somebody created a monster and it
wasn't DU. So is this what they're covering up that would look so bad?

If this helps Walt Monegan and the country then so be it.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:38 AM
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20. As much as I wish the media would cover this
Joe 'n Joan sixpack could care less about this. As far as the media is concerned, they'll make it look like Sarah was right by showing Wooten on his snowMOBILE. I just hope the Barack wins so that we could instantly raise the country's IQ by 50 points.
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 03:36 AM
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44. An important part of "the public" is paying close attention
I'm sure this is a big part of why Obama/Biden got the recent endorsement from the police organization.
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 04:15 AM
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45. Joe 'n Joan sixpack could care less about this.
SHE's prolife, that's all that matters!
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:56 AM
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21. Today a tree fell in the forest...
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mscuedawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:09 PM
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23. Rachel Maddow had on her show last night...
Lida Green (R) the Alaska State Senate President representing Wasilla...who that stated the Gov needs NO reason to fire someone...so Palin just keeps diggin' herself deeper and deeper...

http://www.care2.com/politics/rachel-maddow-sarah-palin-record-and.html
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:01 PM
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32. mscuedawg, would you please rephrase that. I don't understand what you're saying. Thanks
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mscuedawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:28 PM
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34. No problem...here ya go...
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 05:29 PM by mscuedawg
Check out the video in case I dont make sense again! The Representative stated that the Governor can choose to fire someone w/o reason...and that the more reasons Palin comes up w/(aka LIES) digs her deeper and deeper in the controversy of how and why he was fired...
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 07:57 PM
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37. Thank you. I'll check out the video. I think it was a typo that cornfused me. (-:
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mscuedawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:06 PM
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39. Typo? Moi? ; ) I think you'll find the video interesting!
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 10:45 PM
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40. Very interesting indeed. What amazes me is that the Repukes are so blinded by their loyalty
to the party ticket that they can't see that there are MANY ALASKA REPUBLICANS who find Palin to be, shall we say, lacking in so many respects. Very scary.

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mscuedawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 07:26 AM
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56. The MSM are finally getting around to find the Alaskians that aren't Pro-Palin...
....and its ABOUT TIME! Just saw something this morning on CNN American morning discussing THE PEOPLE's view on the road and bridge to nowhere...Glad to see their showing the other side of Alaska's "sweetheart" (cha right)!!!!
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:12 AM
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68. she could have just fired him w/o cause..and left it at that...
This actually goes to show more of what she does/doesn't know, about executing her very own position as Governor...frankly, I'm not impressed and the people of Alaska should not be either...wb
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:23 AM
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58. All of this is true, but I worry that the rank and file Americans won't
know about this because it may interfere with their Survivor or Celebrity Dancing watching. How can it be disseminated most effectively?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:15 PM
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24. k and r
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Omerrrta Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:27 PM
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25. the tapes all over the net
I have the mp3 if anyone wants...its very clear frank bailey is trying to get wooten fired on it, he starts going down a list of things about wooten.
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KewlKat Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:12 PM
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33. is there a link to the audio some where? nt
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:10 AM
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50. I wouldn't waste my time on this person to tell you the truth. Kpete...
would have posted it, if it was available. S/He has been keeping us up to date on troopergate since it made MSM.
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Omerrrta Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:39 AM
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53. heres the tape
http://blip.tv/file/1214523

theres a download link at the bottom for the mp3.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:28 AM
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60. Wow. Thanks for proving me wrong.
I was and am extremely weary since this didn't come out earlier, although I realize it's a law case which actually makes me very careful on things taht are being said.

I appreciate this and I apologize.

What a jerk....still i want to make sure this is officially the tape.

Gomen.
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Omerrrta Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:40 AM
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54. heres the tape
http://blip.tv/file/1214523

theres a download link at the bottom for the mp3.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:09 AM
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49. I'd also like a link to this "so-called" tape and how you got the mp3 and know Bailey's voice? n/t
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:46 PM
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26. Palin's invasion of Wooten's Confidential Personnel File IS A BIG DEAL....
In most states there are criminal penalties for such conduct.

In all likelihood this would be classified as 'premeditated criminal conduct.'

And certainly a fair question to be asked at the VP Debate since she has promoted her work as Governor of Alaska as qualification for the office of VP.
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:53 PM
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27. Abuse of power, pure and simple.
Let's hope this story continues to grow and the truth gets out before the election.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:50 PM
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30. I guess we can see why she was reluctant to cooperate with the investigation...
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:31 PM
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35. Small Time, Piece of Shit Politician.....
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:42 PM
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36. Try to forgive Sarah Palin --> SHE HAS BEEN THIS WAY EVER SINCE THAT DAMN HOUSE FELL ON HER SISTER!!
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:35 AM
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59. Bwahaha! Good one. -nt
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:03 PM
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38. What a bunch of small town yahoos. Petty vendettas. Abuse of position. Nepotism run amok.
The Mean GRRRRRL is trying to hide behind her thin veneer of End-Times-Jesus-Hugger
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:32 AM
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62. All around great summarization of that freaks personality. n/t
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 01:14 AM
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42. Bush has instructed Palin to simply not take questions - it works for him...
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 01:19 AM
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43. Oh Boy
:popcorn:
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1Hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 04:55 AM
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46. Repukes will bow at her throne of fiscal responsibility. PUKE
I don't know if others listened to the 25-minute conversation between the aide and Monegan when that tape surfaced right after Palin's selection, but the aide sounded like the weasely, slimeball that he is. And, he was so transparent!

Palin is nothing but a

Power-Hungry
Ambitious
Lying
Indecent
NeoCon

:puke:

(imo)
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 04:57 AM
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47. Gawd help us...another revenge based republican VP...
This crew should be in jail.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:07 AM
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48. Who has the tape?! Is this tape truly verified?! Kpete many questions.
I only ask because it's basically all we need to lift the burden of proof to probable cause by connecting Bailey (on tape) to Palin. If this is true and Kpete I emplore you to send this information to Olbermann and Maddow to see if they can investigate this situation more. If they come up with enough proof that there is a tape with Bailey on it then Troopergate just opened up into national news and there's nothing McCain and his big time lawyers or Palin can do to stop this avalanche.

The tape alone may get her prosecuted for a crime.
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Omerrrta Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 05:38 AM
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52. heres the tape
http://blip.tv/file/1214523

theres a download link at the bottom for the mp3.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:29 AM
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61. Yeah got it. I like that he was chumped for messing with people
and the person he's asking is like..."I don't deal with that..."
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 07:17 AM
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55. Big K & R !!!
:kick:
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:34 AM
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63. Damn....he brought up Spitzer. I loved Spitzer and his woman troubles was a set up.
What does that have to do Alaska? This guy is crazy. I strongly believe that Palin abusing her power.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:39 AM
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64. A setup? How?
The man was a hypocrite. Busting hookers as AG, paying for them as governor? How was that a setup? Someone made him decide to pay whores for kinky sex, did they? I can't help but feel a tingle of schadenfreude that the fucker got nailed for something he prosecuted others for.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:48 AM
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66. Well..
The sex thign is a fact. You see this is the problem I'm having. He was doing a good job in New York and was busting some bad guys, calling for some bad guy busting of criminals and calling people out. Then they come out with this sex information...slam him over it and then he leaves his position. If he does a good job and is completing his duty to the citizenry...his sex life means nothing. Especially since it's come out that his wife was involved or new about his fiasco.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:13 AM
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69. Yeah, but the sex isn't even the issue; it's the hypocrisy
he engaged in illegal behaviour; prostitution and soliciting are both still crimes in the State of New York.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:36 AM
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71. True. But the crimes he was fighting against was hurting the citizenry.
His prostitution was his thing. Shoot even Gov. Patterson now said he dabbled in affairs and I don't know what else before taking office. So did his wife. His situation wasn't a "hypocrisy" in the correct wording. He was fighting against crimes in government. His prostitution hurt no one but himself and his children, since his wife was a participant. Oh and it inadvertently hurt the citizenry he was protecting. Stupid bastard, but I still liked him.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 11:48 AM
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74. Except he prosecuted prostitution as AG.
that's where the hypocrisy comes in.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 01:24 PM
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75. Damn it, Spider Jerusalem...must you have brought that up.
Oh man....actually that had slipped my mind. I actually freakin forgot he had cracked down on that and asked for tougher laws. A crying shame.
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:44 AM
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65. bump, to read later today
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:56 AM
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67. Who heard the tape?! All he mentions is Palin and Todd. , Look to post 52 or 53 for tape.
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 09:58 AM by vaberella
Omerrrta thanks.

This guy is crazy!! He's really instigating shit. I have never heard such statements. That's definitely putting pressure on the department. He sounds like he went to so many different people to harass about Wooten. I liked especially when he mentioned Megan Peters, who was like apparently 'fuck off'. It was like she heard the head hunting for this guy and wasn't having it.

I liked this guy on the phone. He knew the law and what can or can't be done. He seemed to be slightly defending Wooten, who doesn't seem like a bad guy and I found the first 13 minutes of the tape more damaging to Bailey than even the way he was caught that he looked at personelle files when he has no access to them. I get the feeling that alone is against the law.

This was a serious push on the part of Palin and Todd. How much power does Todd have in this fuckin town? Why is his name interjected so much in discussion? It's like the entire Governors office is run by Todd but under the jurisdiction lawfully of his wife. This is not even funny. There are some serious shit going on. People say don't go after family but there is already proof she was CCing her husband official documents and information. Lyda Green attested to that in her interview with Maddow. This tape further confirms that.

I think this tape is the most damaging thing and I thank the gods that people had their hands on this who do the right thing and don't want to subject our nation to more of these problems. People complain about Cheney....Palin is just the dog on Todd's leash. Todd is Cheney times two.
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 01:34 PM
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76. she was CCing her husband official documents and information...links
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:32 AM
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70. Vengeful, vicious, vapid
That's Caribou Barbie all over!
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:37 AM
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72. Her and "First Dude" are a new breed of evil. n/t
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 12:52 AM
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77. BTW firing Monegan gave Palin a way to score brownie points with fundamentalists
If you go to the article there are links included in the post to the information cited.

Palin, TrooperGate, RapeKitGate...and Joel'sArmyGate
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/24/01911/2762/Diary/Palin_TrooperGate_RapeKitGate_and_Joel_sArmyGate

Dominionist connections to TrooperGate Most know about the questionable firing practices Palin did as Alaskan governor--what has not been widely publicised so far is that almost identical purges may have occured with the Wasilla PD--and in both cases due to the desire to get dominionist-friendly candidates in power. Interestingly, it also appears that some of TrooperGate may have been related to dominionist connections of the replacement:

But Gov. Palin did not promote a socially conservative agenda during her first two years as governor and some Alaska right-wing commentators called her an economic liberal. Send us a sign, national fundamentalist Christian leaders seemingly said, that proves your credentials. In firing Monegan and hiring Kopp, Palin would have gained a controversial measure of revenge in a family dispute and established her standing as a Christian conservative politician. Kenai City Police Chief Chuck Kopp was a rising star in Alaska's Christian conservative movement. He was a frequent speaker at local religious and patriotic gatherings. He was school board president of Cook Inlet Academy, the fundamentalist Christian high school in Soldotna his missionary-educator father founded. Kopp also was on the board of Port Alsworth's Tanailan Bible Camp, also founded by his father. Through Samaritan's Place, Franklin Graham has been the chief benefactor of the Tanailan Bible Camp building and rebuilding a church and meeting hall and guest cabins. The evangelical scion of Alaska, Rev. Jerry Prevo of the Anchorage Baptist Temple, is on Samaritan Purse's Board of Directors, so there's a clear connection between Graham, Prevo and Kopp.


Ah, yes, Samaritan's Purse. Frank Graham, alas, has been quite a bit more openly dominionist than his daddy Billy Graham; Samaritan's Purse itself is quite the nasty bit of work. In the latest rendition of the List of Good and Bad Charities, Samaritan's Purse gets its own dedicated section as to why they're listed as "bad guys":

Samaritan's Purse (Billy/Franklin Graham's charity group. Both Billy and Franklin Graham have been known to espouse dominionist statements in past, Franklin especially so. Per a report from someone who has sought employment with them. non-dominionists are not considered for employment and employees are required to have a reference from a pastor as well as a "testimonial of faith" on resumes for employment. Also is working with known dominionist group Traditional Values Coalition in promoting a "refugee adoption" scheme that requires statements of faith from both participating churches and refugees. Numerous reports of forced evangelism, in particular targeting children; a major part of Samaritan's Purse's operation in fact focuses on "convert or starve" targeting of children, including "sheep-stealing" from children who are attendees of mainstream Christian churches (extensive information in this Dark Christianity post--a full discussion would require a dedicated post on DailyKos). Frank Graham has been noted as promoting concept of Hurricane Katrina being God's retribution on New Orleans. Is known to have explicitly partnered with FGBMFI (an Assemblies of God frontgroup known infamously for interference in Latin American and US politics) in the FGBMFI's attempts to interfere in the inner affairs of nations on a worldwide basis. Has promoted Iraqi War and Israeli bombing of Hizbillah sites in Lebanon as "God softening the hearts" of Iraqis. Has promoted the attempted genocide of the Kurdish people (during Gulf War I) as a missionary opportunity. Maintains links to dominionist "parallel economy" alternatives to mainstream medicine (including the "Christian Medical and Dental Association", written about here.)


(Note to non-regular readers: FGBMFI is the Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship International, an Assemblies frontgroup which has worked at promotion of the neopente version of "Christian nationalism" for decades, particularly in Latin America. FGBMFI is intimately connected with the Iran-Contra Scandal (Oliver North is a regular speaker at FGBMFI events and FGBMFI itself was used as a funding-front for the Contras) as well as the genocidal regime of Gen. Efrain Rios Montt in Guatemala, and is also a major conduit for the spread of "Third Wave" theology (the basis of "Joel's Army" theology) via Paul Yonggi Cho.) In fact, the info is so extensive as to why "Shepherd's Purse" is Bad News that there's pretty much a one-stop shop commentary on it on Dark Christianity--look through the comments. It also appears that Palin herself has some connections to Graham, via the National Prayer Breakfast--a frontgroup of a secretive dominionist org called "The Fellowship" or "The Family" that increasingly has had links to neopente dominionists. Jeff Sharlet, a walkaway from "The Family", has written the definitive book on the subject; the article detailing the Samaritan's Purse/TrooperGate linkage gives some more info:
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:22 AM
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80. How do we know he got the worker's comp file illegally?
He tries to make an excuse that the administration was going into the file to correct the workers comp.

Did the administration actually do this, or was it a fabrication? If the admin did correct, would it still have been certainly illegal that Bailey got the information?
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 01:32 AM
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81. k&mr
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