TheCoxwain
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Tue Sep-23-08 09:54 AM
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Strategy to DESTROY McCain in the First Debate |
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Primary Thrust is McCain is a Headless Chicken during Crunch time.
BUILD the Case by
1)Pointing to McCain's Confusion in the past week. We had 7 days and 7 different position - Some in contradiction of long held view.
2)McCain crashed 5 planes . NOT 1, NOT 2, NOT 3,NOT 4 - BUT 5 planes. Shows that he cannot think under stress.
KNOCKOUT PUNCH.
McCain would like to be known as a War hero. But the Truth is that he is a FAILED PILOT and we cannot have yet another failure in the White House.
If Delivered Effectively during the debate - This strategy will rip the guts out of the McCain Campaign.
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Tue Sep-23-08 09:56 AM
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Do not bring ANY attention to the fact that McCain served in the military and Obama didn't.
NONE.
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TheCoxwain
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Tue Sep-23-08 09:58 AM
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3. No I think we should go after his strenght .. Totally Decimate any opinion that he is a hero .. |
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BECAUSE THAT IS THE TRUTH ...
Some people would like to fly a navy planes .. some even become pilots .. But not all of them have what it takes .. case made.
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:00 AM
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5. Not when that attack exposes Obama's weakness.... |
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BAD MOVE.
If Obama does your #2, he will have lost the debate in one soundbite.
...and maybe the election.
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Tue Sep-23-08 09:59 AM
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Agreed. Concentrate on policy and McCain's mistatements, maybe. |
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Obama needs to be calm but strong, and he needs to flash his winning smile a couple of times at the right times. Ne needs to counter the lies that McCain will state to his face during the debate with a firm grasp of the facts and a touch of wit.
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Tue Sep-23-08 09:59 AM
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4. Agreed. Concentrate on policy and McCain's mistatements, maybe. |
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Obama needs to be calm but strong, and he needs to flash his winning smile a couple of times at the right times. Ne needs to counter the lies that McCain will state to his face during the debate with a firm grasp of the facts and a touch of wit.
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Tue Sep-23-08 09:57 AM
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Stay away from the crashed planes. It looks like a cheap shot; it was 40 years ago; and it has nothing to do with McCain's totally terrible ideas. You can be a shitty pilot and still be a good person and/or a good politician, or a great pilot and a crappy politician -- Randy Cunningham, the fighter ace who is now in prison for bribery and corruption, comes to mind. Great pilot, turned out to be a crooked asshole. Leave that one alone.
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:13 AM
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11. Yup. Jim Webb can say that. Obama cannot. |
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"I was a POW, you weren't" is all McCain has. Let's not hand it to him on a silver platter.
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:00 AM
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I personally can't see the connection between his piloting skills 40 years ago and his ability to govern now. Maybe others would, but I doubt it.
Such a wealth of much more relevant stuff since McCain's been in public, that strategy imo would confuse the whole thing.
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:02 AM
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7. Uh no, first debate is foreign policy... which can be easily shifted to domestic economy.... |
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With one line, "It's impossible to maintain a robust foreign policy if our domestic economy is in shambles."
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:03 AM
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8. How to get Obama to sink his own campaign-- follow item #2 //eom |
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:04 AM
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9. Why is it a bad idea to illustrate McCain's Thinking and Reaction under stress |
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A Commander in Chief has to be able to do that ...
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:10 AM
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10. Because it is a completely different kind of stress. |
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Flying an airplane and dealing with an in-flight emergency (like a system malfunction or being shot at) requires different skills and abilities than dealing with governmental emergencies. A president needs to be able to confer with other people and make cool, measured, rational decisions. A pilot has to figure out what to do, right now, and if it's a single pilot airplane like McCain flew, he doesn't have a crew to help out. So you might be able to argue that 40 years ago McCain wasn't very good at quickly and single-handedly evaluating an emergency situation and dealing with it immediately, but that isn't the kind of ability you need in a president. The last thing we want is somebody who makes instant decisions without consulting with others. I have dealt with an in-flight emergency and I'm here to tell about it. I would suck at being president.
Like I said, it's a bad idea. And it would also make Obama look petty and nasty.
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:15 AM
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13. Because it highlights THAT HE SERVED.... |
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Kennedy wasn't hurt by the fact that he sunk a PT boat.
GHW Bush wasn't hurt by the fact that he crashed HIS plane in WWII.
McCain is helped by ANY reference to his service during Vietnam. ANY reference.
Obama is hurt by ANY reference to McCain's service.
You really are politically tone-deaf.
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:18 AM
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15. I may be thinking TOO linearly .. maybe you guys are right |
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Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 10:19 AM by TheCoxwain
But I think My strategy without #2 is a Winner.
Do you agree?
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:21 AM
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17. #1 is a good idea... and it has already been happening on the trail |
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:14 AM
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12. I'd like him to say something about "drill baby drill" in reference to the # of McCan't cars. |
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I'm sure someone here could come up with a duzy. :)
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:16 AM
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14. By the way.... "Welcome to DU" |
TheCoxwain
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:19 AM
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16. Thanks ... I love being a DU'er |
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Tue Sep-23-08 10:33 AM
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18. Any official details on the 5 plane crashes? |
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Can you link to how each crash happened?
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Tue Sep-23-08 11:06 AM
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19. Are you including sitting on the deck of the Forrestal in that count? |
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I thought he crashed 4, and had one burn up around him in the Forrestal fire.
Regardless, the lesson about losing 4 planes is NOT that he is no good under pressure (which might be true, but irrelevant) but that he benefited from his family connections and didn't suffer the consequences that other pilots would for the same mistakes. He should never have been a POW to begin with because he should have been GROUNDED after losing his third plane. Any other pilot would have been, but powers that be would not allow the son and grandson of admirals to be a washout.
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