Chris Rock Palin/Vick comparison was a FUCKING JOKE!!!

[wndycty]

The fact that people are having serious discussions either believing that we should draw the comparison or taking offense to the comparison is just laughable.

SNL=COMEDY SHOW
DAILY SHOW=COMEDY SHOW
Chris Rock=Comedian

No one should dismiss comedy, especially because at the end of the day comedy is more truthful than a lot of the MSM, however the fact that folks are debating the merits of Rock's joke, which was funny as hell, is just crazy.

[hlthe2b]

1. Hell, she's worse than Vick if you've seen the DOW video

Yes, he's a comedian, but all humor has some truth at its center. In this case, considerable.

[Richardo]

2. For the joke to work, it should have a kernel of truth to it.

You've heard that old line: "It's funny because it's true!"

The fact that there is a serious discussion about it tells me the joke just didn't work. Especially since Rock was trying to make a point about racism, an already hypersensitive subject. If there's no racism in the premise then the joke won't work.

[Skip Intro]

3. shhh. don't tell Chris Rock, he thinks everything is racial. nt

[Harmonicaman]

4. What was the joke....

Those of us outside of the US, we want to know!!!!

[southpaw]

5. A bad joke

And, in typical Rock fashion, a joke that plays black against white.

In this situation, the basis of the joke is erroneous and the joke falls flat.


I've said before that he could have compared Vick's dog fighting to Palin's areal wolf hunting and it would have been a better joke because the comparison is more apt. Moose hunting doesn't fit.

Besides, I find Rock's worn out racial-division 'humor' to be as irritating as Yakov Smirnoff.

Chris should build a theater in Branson, Mo.

[Richardo]

6. "In Soviet Russia, blacks oppress YOU!"

:D

[dmallind]

7. NO - it missed both humor and commentary

An EXACTLY analogous joke would have been "A black guy smokes crack and gets arrested, but a white guy can smoke 40 Marlboro a day".


The commentary falls just as flat because the two are not analogous, and the humor fails because it has no kernel of truth to it for the same reason.

There's enough true examples of racial injustice out there for a talent like Rock to overreach for one that isn't. Even if you keep it to executive level politics I wonder how many black guys are in jail for their 4th DUIs, or for accidentally shooting their friends?

[dkf]

8. No.

The analogous joke would be "A black guy smokes crack and gets arrested, but a white guy makes it legal to snort cocaine and gives $150 to people who join him"

[dmallind]

13. How would that be

Since snorting cocaine is not legal, made so by white guys or black?

Although admittedly the different sentences for cocaine and crack are a legitimate beef, they are at least both illegal. Whether you think moose hunting should be illegal or not, it isn't. That, plus the difference between food animal and pet animal, gunshot and fighting to the death and being electrocuted when you get injured too much to continue (quick - which way would you wnat to die? Would there be no difference in cruelty if it were done to you?), etc, make it a very different scenario here.

[dkf]

17. In all honesty, I jumped from Moose to Wolf as soon as I heard the joke.

But what I think Rock was alluding to was the glorying in the death of an animal, and how both revel in it. She looked so happy when she was holding that bleeding animal.

And a wolf and bear cub aren't for eating, so she displays a much wider range of targets than simply animals that can be hunted to eat.

People who are following her know.

[dmallind]

20. The wolf would have been a better joke I agree

There would still remian the difference of legality (right or not - in this case not in my opinion too - since wolves are not overpopulated and are not food animals to my knowledge), and of the manner of death being preferable, but at least it would be closer to analogous.

[Pithlet]

9. I agree.

It's crazy, because in the rush to prove just how WRONG he was in the joke, it seems some are almost lending validity to Palin's warped and twisted mentality, even if they don't mean to, and that's just wrong. Yeah, I think Vick belongs in jail. I also think it was just a joke, and a pretty funny one at that. It was a slam at Palin. Slams on Palin are always okay in my book. Some of her positions on hunting are indeed pretty sick and twisted, and I think he got the irony pretty dead on.

[LynneSin]

10. You're right - it is. But when people here start posting like 'Yeah he's got a point'

even I get pissed.

I'm not defending hunting in a helicopter but it is no where near as vicious as killing a dog in a cage.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. I am not seeing a big difference.

So yeah, he has a point.

[dmallind]

15. Let me try to help.

Let's imagine you have to die.

Pick now

a) A gunshot from a high power rifle.

b) repeated bloody fights to the death until you are too injured to continue. followed by soaking and electrocution.


If that doesn't suggest a difference, ask yourself how many pit bull burger joints there are in Atlanta compared to moose steak outlets in Alaska.

Or you might consider the laternative life normally lived by these animals. For the moose, if not shot, it will most likely live until either overpopulation causes starvation, or until it is killed by wolves or other predators. Sure I guess it's possible for a moose to die of old age, but it's grim odds.

For the dog, it would be as a pet or house dog until it is too sick to live comofrtably, followed by painless lethal injection.

Which animal then are we taking most from?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. Still not seeing it.

Try again.

You're arguing that Palin's alright because people eat moose. Rather stupid argument, IMO, because it's not like Palin's relying on moose, or wolf for that matter, for sustenance. Am I supposed to believe that if Vick ate the pit bull afterwards that would make it more morally valid?

And the overpopulation argument? Also rather stupid. We're talking about a person with no qualms about destroying wildlife ecosystem, she's surely got no altruistic motives here.

So the difference is between somebody who enjoys killing things just for the sake of killing things, and the other guy likes to watch them fight first. Same types of people, IMO.

And I seem to remember a lot of people got upset because Vick, or his comrades, shot the dogs as well.

[dmallind]

19. Which part do you disagree with?

Which of my distinctions are not distinctions to you and why not? Can't really try again until I know where I managed to fail last time, since I clearly would prefer a gunshot, know the difgference between food animals and domesticated pets, and realize the difference between the alternative endings for each. Since you obviously disagree, I need a frame of reference for what you might value, since it's apparently not utility as I understand it.

[sandnsea]

24. Animal cruelty is animal cruelty

No I don't think moose hunting is animal cruelty.

I do think shooting wolves from planes is. I do think offering a bounty on wolf legs is. I do think suing to prevent federal protection of polar bears is. And I do think not protecting the salmon habitat is.

His direct comparison was wrong - but his point was highly accurate.

[Bluenorthwest]

25. Not quite on spot, allow me

Your 'a' should read as follows
a) being chased down for miles by a high powered aircraft until you simply drop, unable to move, at which point you are shot from the air by a high power rifle.
Sounds just like 'b' when you tell it factually. And just how many wolf burger joints are in Alaska, do you think? Let's be fair. Chase them with a helicopter 'till they drop, and no freaking wolf burgers.
Don't know about your town, but most cities in the US put many unwanted and or abused dogs to death each day, healthy, happy dogs. Why are they not living comfortably until they are too sick? Hmmmm? Any ideas there? So I guess the dog's life is no more silver spoonish than the moose's life. At least not to the puppies offed this morning in all 50 states.
The difference is all in the legality, not in the ethics of either Palin or Vick, which are equally vile.

Chris told a joke. Both animal abusers are bad people. He's a joke maker. He is not looking to be accurate, or pc. He's looking to get guffaws at the expense of Palin. That is his job. He makes money that way. And he got laughs and equated Palin with a guy people don't like. For that he gets Demo-points from me, as he does each cycle!

[dmallind]

29. Why do people insist that wolves are germane to the joke?

He did not say wolf, and had he doen so there would have been more acceptance.

And moose run away from wolves until they are torn to pieces in the wild too, so again we are not making the outcome for the moose (the animal he mentioned) worse than its likely alternative, where the likely altrernative for the dog is much better. Therefore more harm done to dog than moose.


Yes dogs are put down. By lethal injection. Which would you prefer - that or fighting to the death and being fried when you can't?

He's a joke maker sure, but not an infallible one.

[dkf]

21. I think the poster may be complaining about my earlier one...

Vicious: Sarah Palin’s War on Wolves

by Marybeth Holleman, Anchorage, Alaska

This past June, on a cool morning in southwest Alaska, fourteen wolf pups were pulled from their dens and shot in the head, one by one, by state biologists sanctioned by Governor Sarah Palin. At a month old, these pups had opened their eyes and ears less than two weeks earlier. They had ventured from the dark safety of the den once or twice. They had grown into rolling, tumbling, play-fighting puppies for whom their only care was, when would they next get to nurse?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7150791&mesg_id=7150791

[Midlodemocrat]

22. Exactly. And, frankly, Chris Rock isn't funny.

[PVnRT]

26. Exactly right

Even if the Contrarian King has disagreed with you.

[wyldwolf]

11. mmm... so if that was a joke, was everything he said a joke? If not, why not?

[Whisp]

14. agreed. it's just a joke line - no need for dissection. silly people. nt

[ellacott]

18. I agree, it was funny to me

People here are wound too tight.

[sandnsea]

23. He should have used the shooting wolves from the air

but I still got the point. We're talking about making someone VP who has a greater history of animal cruelty than Michael Vick.

[Balderdash]

27. It was the most unfunny thing Chris Rock has ever said. nt

[mucifer]

28. The joke worked for me. The Clinton rant may have lost us some Hillary supporters tho.

However, I enjoyed both rants.