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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:18 AM
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Senator John McCain pledges to break the constitution
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 11:20 AM by grantcart
Preface - Yesterday we took our eyes off the ball.

The way that DU works so well is that we engage a wide range of political and strategic issues. Some of them have merit and some of them attract more attention. We argue, we pursue the facts. And we recommend and draw more attention. Then we get behind a point and it gains currency.

The rape kit controversy proves this point. Last week somebody published a thread about it. Frankly I found it too far out to be believed. But the wisdom of the DU crowd and the Daily Kos crowd fleshed it out. It became an issue and for reasons that we can never fully understand, of all of the issues CNN found it interesting and headlined it. DU 1 McCain 0.

Yesterday we got diverted by trying to measure the tea leaves to see exactly how enthusiastic WJC is about this or that. We need to keep our eyes on the ball.


On 60 Minutes John McCain makes a full frontal attack on the constitution




Here is his statement


http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002956941

PELLEY: You have called for the firing of the head of the Securities and Exchange Commission, the federal government organization that oversees the markets.

MCCAIN: Yes. You know -- and by the way, that technically he can’t be, quote, “fired.” But I’ll tell you, when I’m president, if I want somebody to resign, they resign.


Unbelievably we now have a candidate running for President who has made it clear that he intends to use intimidation to further expand the executive power of the Presidency. We can call it the Tony Soprano philosophy of management. Or the George Bush, Dick Cheney, Sarah Palin philosophy of using executive power as an extension of personal power.




I) Violation of the Basic Understanding of the Constitution and the Laws of the United States



While the office of the President of the United States is the most powerful position in the world it gains a high degree of its power from its limitations. The reason that we know that Putin is not a true democratic leader is that unlike George Washington he didn't just walk away. It is in the walking away of absolute power that the office of the President has gained its prestige, its admiration and its weight in public opinion around the world.

A key component to that limitation is that certain offices are appointed by the President and serve at his/her pleasure and others are insulated from political influence after appointment.

"If I want somebody to resign, they resign".

Really? Would that include the head of the FBI? The head of the CIA? Does it include Judges and Supreme Court Judges. Does it include the head of the Federal Reserves? The head of the Joint Chiefs? The head of NASA?


The clear intention of Senator McCain is that he will not respect the constitutional spirit of our government but that he intends to rule by fiat or that he simply intends to be overly dramatic in a crises and talk like Tony Soprano. Its hard to tell.



II) We have seen these lack of executive restraint before. It is Nixon and it is Bush/Cheney.


All you have to do is look at how Bush/Cheney tried to politicalize the justice department and fire Federal Prosecuting Attorneys to see what this kind of President looks like.

But there is a much more philosophical point here. It is based on the world view of that mythical angry white guy that if we just stopped with the bullshit and kicked a few asses that everything will turn out right.

In this sense McCain is now channelling the mythical leader of the ultimate angry white man guy - Vice President Cheney. This is what Cheney did when the product of the CIA did not conform to his personal opinion, he kicked some ass and got the CIA to say what he knew they should be saying. This is how you get unnecessary wars and hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed, by getting angry and kicking ass and firing people in the government who have protected offices but who you disagree with.

And this brings us to the Plame affair. The question Pelly should have asked is "How Senator, how would you pressure someone to resign when they legally they should be free from political interference?" Would you leak the fact that their spouse is a covert CIA agent? Would you send intimidating people to follow them around?

When he said that we should have all immediately stopped and said, "Exactly how, Senator McCain do you intend to use the office of the President to intimidate and coerce legally appointed people to fold to your personal view?" Intimidate their families? Spread lies about them as you are now doing with Senator Obama? What lengths will you go to exert the executive power of the United States?


If your willing to attack your long time ally Christopher Cox in extra constitutional bullying what will you do to the rest of the country?



III) There is something eerily familiar about this, it goes to Republican anti-intellectualism - fire that scientist.



What does this sound like? It sounds alot like a Governor in an obscure state using state power to fire independent officials for false pretenses because of personal motives. This is the issue that Troopergate is centered on. It goes to the core of the Palin administrative style of bashing people who are not personally loyal to you.

It means that if you have a personal attachment to the executive then you will be trusted and you will get power.

This is what "attaboy Brownie your doing a heckuva job". We lost the heart of an American city on this abuse.

There is something inherent about the current nature of conservative philosophy that has embraced all of these crazy notions into an elaborate cult of executive power. It is related to the anti intellectual tangent of the Republican party. Don't like what a scientist is writing then 'fire' his/her ideas by editing their work.

There is a direct line between people who believe that humans walked with dinasours and people who think you should fire constitutionally protected independent offices. "I believe, I follow God, I am right, I am not going to take this shit anymore, I will find a way to fire them."

Bush - John Shalikashvili Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Cheney - CIA opinions he doesn't like
Palin - Monegan
Tony Soprano - Big Pussy Bonpensiero

McCain doesn't have any executive experience but it is clear that he will be drawing on the Bush/Cheney/Palin/Tony Soprano experience that has worked out so well for the country.


IV) Senator McCain is unfit to be President.


American democracy was formed by the Boston Massacre. It revealed that we were too far away from the United Kingdom to be ruled by it. Power that is too far removed becomes callous and ultimately tyranny.



We proved that we were better than the occupiers because we took Captain Preston and the soldiers and we gave them a fair trial.

At this little moment in history American achieved greatness

A desperate request was sent to John Adams from Preston, pleading for his work on the case. Adams, who was already a leading Patriot and who was contemplating a run for public office, nevertheless agreed to help, in the interest of ensuring a fair trial. Adams, Josiah Quincy II, and Robert Auchmuty acted as the defense attorneys, with Sampson Salter Blowers helping by investigating the jury pool.<12> It is not known whether Paul Revere was present at the Massacre, though he drew a detailed map of the bodies to be used in the trial of the British soldiers held responsible.<13> Massachusetts Solicitor General Samuel Quincy and private attorney Robert Treat Paine, hired by the town of Boston, handled the prosecution. To let passions settle, the trial was delayed for months, unusual in that period, and the jurymen were all chosen from towns outside Boston. Tried on his own, Preston was acquitted after the jury was not convinced that he had ordered the troops to fire. His trial lasted from October 24, 1770 to October 30, 1770.

We didn't act like angy white guys and throw them into the dungeon.

We worked on principal and fact.



It is why America was ready for Democracy and the people of Iraq are not. A leading Sh'ia is not willing to serve as a defense attorney for a leading Sunnai. All of the surging and all of our money is not going to change that.



And it is this reason that George Will now describes in brutal detail why John McCain should not be President:

"It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?"

The answer to that question is, obviously no.


V) Please do what you do.


Raise hell. Do not let John McCain get away with attacking the constitutional precepts of the Presidency:

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-000002956941

PELLEY: You have called for the firing of the head of the Securities and Exchange Commission, the federal government organization that oversees the markets.

MCCAIN: Yes. You know -- and by the way, that technically he can’t be, quote, “fired.” But I’ll tell you, when I’m president, if I want somebody to resign, they resign.
















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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:27 AM
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1. You make some interesting points here and
I cracked up at the Soprano references.

:)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:46 AM
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4. thanks
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 04:22 PM
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38. Please note the TOLL FREE Capitol Hill switchboard numbers in my sig line below:
Use 'em - or LOSE 700 BILLION DOLLARS.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:31 AM
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2. K&R. I am so sick of McCain spouting his ridiculous statements and then, after the errors have been
exposed, stretching it like taffy to try to make it sound like it makes sense.
Does he not know how utterly stupid it makes him sound?

I can't stand this man. He is altogether without morals and without a soul.
And the Devil's pockets are bulging.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:54 AM
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6. Bellicosity as a political strategy - it is so tiresome
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:36 AM
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3. kick
great read
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:56 PM
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18. thanks
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WA98070 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:49 AM
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5. Reagan broke our moral compass and threw it out. Since then no one has even looked for it...
Please Barrack, find it, fix it!!!!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:56 AM
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7. K and R

McSame things he is the King of the world ~ I'm so delighted that we will have a Constitutional Scholar in the WH instead of this Little Hitler.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:41 PM
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29. Tks
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:41 PM
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33. Another big K for a mighty big thread nt
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:41 PM
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34. Another big K for a mighty big thread nt
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 11:58 AM
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8. K&R -- To resist candidates seeking another Imperial Presidency
McCain really has been too McSame regarding Executive Power. I also flinched at that statement about his being able to get people to resign. He seemed to think it boosted his bona fides. The Republican macho thing.

I christened Palin Duchess this morning when I heard about her staff telling a reporter questions would not be allowed at one of her photo ops.

Her husband has followed Rove and Meiers in refusing to honor a subpoena about Troopergate.

So yes, I agree that McSame/Failin' are just not fit to hold office because they do not respect the Constitution.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:29 PM
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15. CNN then pulled their coverage and McCain is in full retreat

shows what happens when you stand up to bullies
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:42 PM
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16. I was glad CNN did that. No questions = No coverage.
Without TV coverage, Sitcom Sarah would be in a real pickle.

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BrainStorm Donating Member (922 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:00 PM
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9. The Unitary Executive
God help us all.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:44 PM
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17. as repulsive as the 'unibrow'
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:01 PM
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10. Great points, grantcart.
Sounds like another "decider guy" in the making. :argh:

Recommended.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:26 PM
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21. tks
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:04 PM
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11. John McCain scares me to death.
Thank you for a great read. Kicking so others can read it.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 04:21 PM
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37. thanks
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:10 PM
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12. His mob nickname?? "Johnnie Aces."
I get the feeling that this one gets tossed on the bonfire that is the McCain gaffe conflagration.


It doesn't have the same "Cash-ay" as the rape kit story.....

But I will forward it because there is NOTHING better than watching a politician happily offer to shit on the Constitution of the United states of America.

I hope we can make him explain what he meant.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:17 PM
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13. "Aces" lol
Priceless yeah well his next crash is going to be an ugly one
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:13 PM
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49. Well yes: he has downed five planes ;) n/t
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:25 PM
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14. Hmmm, McCain is worse than Bush#3, he'd become Bush "squared".
It appears that not only would McCain likely continue the inbalance of power established by eight years of Bush & Co., he might take it to new and startling levels of concentration of power in the executive branch.

We're already too close to the "tipping point", past which there can be no recovery.

Great post, grantcart.

Rec'd.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:19 PM
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28. tks
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medicswife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:06 PM
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19. The force with which McCain pushed that line
during the interview was not lost on me either. And I immediately thought of Donald Rumsfeld. How McCain was rather critical of him when he was pushing for more troops in early 2004. He never ONCE called for Rumsfeld to resign. This "New and Improved People's McCain" is hopefully a ruse that people will see through.

Grantcart, you're right. I think that beyond the disregard for the rule of law and our Constitution, McCain/Palin have a lethal ignorance and no desire to further their intellect. This combination is frightening to me, because it does, inevitably lead to the abuse of power as Palin has already demonstrated.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:10 PM
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20. It reminded me of Haig "I am in charge here"
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medicswife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:28 PM
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22. He's trying really hard to push this populist bs right now too
And I fully expect it to backfire. His record of legislating for the benefit of the wealthy is too long and tawdry for it to not be magnified.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:36 PM
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23. Man when we agree with George Will - that is scary
It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency.


McCain/McSame would most certainly bring the same kind of partisan political hacks that bushie brought with him. In fact it would be even worse. Phil Gramm is crazier than McCain and as most of us informed DUers know Gramm is hugely responsible for this financial crisis meltdown to begin with.

McCain can't use the Palin excuse of being new to our country's politics and governmental system. He's just plain weak and unstable to be president. He's exactly the kind of guy bush was when those greedy bastards who took this country to hell in a hand basket needed a front guy. Well those bastards are at it again. This time their puppet is John McCain.

McCain is on that bridge to nowhere that bush and his greedy cronies built. And worst of all McCain is willingly standing out there lying to all Americans just to get elected.

Americans should accept our own certitude - John McCain is crazier than George W. Bush and that's pretty crazy!


Sonia
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:44 PM
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24. More George Will - "Anti-McCain" rant
WaPo - George Will 9/23/08
McCain Loses His Head

-- "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland"

Under the pressure of the financial crisis, one presidential candidate is behaving like a flustered rookie playing in a league too high. It is not Barack Obama.

Channeling his inner Queen of Hearts, John McCain furiously, and apparently without even looking around at facts, said Chris Cox, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, should be decapitated. This childish reflex provoked the Wall Street Journal to editorialize that "McCain untethered" -- disconnected from knowledge and principle -- had made a "false and deeply unfair" attack on Cox that was "unpresidential" and demonstrated that McCain "doesn't understand what's happening on Wall Street any better than Barack Obama does."

(snip)
In any case, McCain's smear -- that Cox "betrayed the public's trust" -- is a harbinger of a McCain presidency. For McCain, politics is always operatic, pitting people who agree with him against those who are "corrupt" or "betray the public's trust," two categories that seem to be exhaustive -- there are no other people. McCain's Manichaean worldview drove him to his signature legislative achievement, the McCain-Feingold law's restrictions on campaigning. Today, his campaign is creatively finding interstices in laws intended to restrict campaign giving and spending. (For details, see The Post of Sept. 17; and the New York Times of Sept. 19.)


Man, now my head is going to explode because Will is exposing McCain as the lying hypocrite he is. :wow:

Sonia
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:45 PM
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25. they are absolutely scared of him winning
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:48 PM
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27. Let them stay home on election day
I hope the conservative crew of neo-cons like Will stay home in droves on election day. We know they won't vote for Obama but they should follow their "principals" and not vote for McCain either.

Sonia
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fight4my3sons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 01:47 PM
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26. k&r
great read. I hope you don't mind if I pass it along? :hi:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 04:16 PM
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36. of course not thank you
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:43 PM
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30. K & R! Another terrific grantcart post! n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:53 PM
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52. thanks
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:10 PM
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31. Great post - Everyone needs to see this.. Goes to the heart of the argument
as to Why McCain's "temprament" is such and issue.. Basically, that's code for calling the guy crazy, but only useful because THAT is what he IS.. Insane in the membrane..

I worked in a VA Hospital after 'Nam, taking care of about 300 vets who'd suffered from Shell Shock (as they called it in those days) and nearly all of them were unable to communicate, so my job included reading their body language and identifying pain.. Getting them to the doctor when sometimes even THEY didn't know what was wrong with them.. We controlled them and their environment, and the definition of Sanity to me was that I could go home at 3pm...

But, like McCain everything was magnified through the prism of their war experience..

I can tell a lot about McCain by observing him, I became a sort of govt trained "empath" due to my job there.. And I can tell you, this guy is a Mess, a Freudian ball of melting wax, exposing new layers each time he gets "shot down" by Obama..

He's sick, and in many more ways than one..

Many thanks to grantcart for bringing another spectacular issue & post to the fore!

K & R! This strikes at the very ROOT of everyone's freedoms to be Left Alone, as Larry Flynt describes his concept of freedoms, and a film short everyone should see. Love to see Flynt and McCain discuss the Constitution :)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:24 PM
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40. tks
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:10 PM
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32. Great post - Everyone needs to see this.. Goes to the heart of the argument
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 03:10 PM by symbolman
as to Why McCain's "temprament" is such an issue.. Basically, that's code for calling the guy crazy, but only useful because THAT is what he IS.. Insane in the membrane..

I worked in a VA Hospital after 'Nam, taking care of about 300 vets who'd suffered from Shell Shock (as they called it in those days) and nearly all of them were unable to communicate, so my job included reading their body language and identifying pain.. Getting them to the doctor when sometimes even THEY didn't know what was wrong with them.. We controlled them and their environment, and the definition of Sanity to me was that I could go home at 3pm...

But, like McCain everything was magnified through the prism of their war experience..

I can tell a lot about McCain by observing him, I became a sort of govt trained "empath" due to my job there.. And I can tell you, this guy is a Mess, a Freudian ball of melting wax, exposing new layers each time he gets "shot down" by Obama..

He's sick, and in many more ways than one..

Many thanks to grantcart for bringing another spectacular issue & post to the fore!

K & R! This strikes at the very ROOT of everyone's freedoms to be Left Alone, as Larry Flynt describes his concept of freedoms, and a film short everyone should see. Love to see Flynt and McCain discuss the Constitution :)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:52 PM
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35. We've had enough of little dictators..
Bill Clinton is right..it's a bad year for them.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 04:31 PM
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39. McCain is expecting that the runaway unilateralism of the executive branch will continue.
He thinks that he'll be able to broaden the powers of the President even further than Cheney has. This is textbook PNAC/NeoCon thinking at it's finest.

McCain is already laying the groundwork for this, with contemptuous remarks about the House and Senate being the "Old boys club", etc.

If you think Bush and Cheney operated in secrecy, wait 'til you get a load of McCain/Palin. They CAMPAIGN in secrecy, for fuck's sake!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:34 PM
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41. That Was Simply Masterful!
Did you write this, Grantcart?
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Eyes_wide_ open Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 05:46 PM
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42. I find your posts consistantly well thought out and well written, and

this is one is no exception. To me personally, the most heinous acts committed by the current administration are all symptomatic of their greatest crime ... the shredding of our Constitution. While I agree with the importance of this issue (and esp. like the presentation with the #1 issue of economy in this instance) I don't see it being something that will sway undecideds and LIV's in any substantial way :shrug:

Unlike the rape kit controversy, which is easily seen by the public as victimizing the victim, to get from this quote...

MCCAIN: "Yes. You know -- and by the way, that technically he can’t be, quote, “fired.” But I’ll tell you, when I’m president, if I want somebody to resign, they resign."

... to "Senator John McCain pledges to break the constitution" is going to be a stretch to the less politically aware out there. Joe Sixpack doesn't know that the head of the Securities and Exchange Commission can't just be fired to begin with, and if he were aware of that would not understand why not, or why firing the 'person in charge' would not be the best answer anyway. Even those that are upset about "they've been taking away our rights" generally don't know any more than that about our Constitution, and their eyes are going to glaze over if you go into the whole explanation.

Of course, I could be wrong ... certainly wouldn't be the first time ;)

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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:04 PM
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43. Just what we need, another Republican bully in the White House.
Yikes, that's scary.
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brer cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:37 PM
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44. K&R n/t
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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 06:46 PM
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45. Not to bring up the POW thing yet again...
but I have to wonder if those years as one have affected his functioning so that he craves control- absolute control- and his seeking of the presidency is just all of that playing itself out. I heard one former POW speaking about McCain and I think the one thing that struck me the most was his insistence that no one who had been a POW could possibly be psychologically fit to be POTUS. And as we see McCain these days, it seems as though he is sliding into some sort of... well, I don't know what it could be called, but it is almost as though he is losing his very sense of self and personality all in his questing for this power, the position of POTUS. It makes me wonder what else he will do in order to get what he wants... and it terrifies me to think what he will do once he gets there. I don't think you are overstating things at all in your post... as a matter of fact I think you are talking about the same thing people like George Will was discussing in his recent piece. The man is not fit to be president, and he must be stopped.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:15 PM
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50. The whole experience did. I think the pilot training may have had an even greater impact

Pilots are trained to be decision makers and not consult. Act now.

Also that conflicts can be solved from the air by pushing a button.

One of the unforturnate similarities between Bush and McCain.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 08:21 PM
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46. Great post. Excellent points! But, I have a different twist on it. You
do know that this wasn't the first time he mentioned the SEC firing, right? He spoke
of it before 60 Minutes - and said that he would fire him -- But at that point,
he didn't realize he couldn't. I think on 60 Minutes he was in damage control
mode. He had to act like he always knew - but he didn't. So that's why he
threw in that line about getting him fired anyway when he was president. All
of what you said may be true (about this piece of it, I mean). But knowing
he blew it before this interview add a twist, don't you think??
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 08:54 PM
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47. It is true that it is damage control but his bullying and anger is the same and
it fits exactly to the point that even the conservatives in this case George Will are begging Americans to pick up on so that they don't have to denounce the man openly.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 09:48 PM
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51. Oh, I agree, in totally general terms - 100%. Guess, i just wouldn't
read as much into the SEC firing deal - just because I heard him flub on it and
think someone who controls him probably wrote those lines for him. Giving him
too much credit for thinking and formulating ideas - he's just like Bush -
people tell him what to say and think - his brain's fried. But, what's important
is that the powers that control him, want to do everything you say.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 08:57 PM
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48. excellent post
this is the real story. McCain is not cut from the kind of cloth that allows him this kind of position and very probably neither is Palin.

You don't hire a elementary teacher who despises kids, you don't hire nurses who get off on seeing people suffer, you don't hire amoral police, you don't hire cowards to fight fires, and you sure as hell don't hire reactive, crazy, unknowledgeable and self righteous old men to be President.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:34 AM
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54. tks
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 10:10 PM
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53. How can the chair of the SEC be removed from office?
I simply don't know. The President appoints him or her. Is it Congress that has the authority to remove an appointee?
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