A little beef with Move On ...

[ronnykmarshall]

My Sister in law is in Las Vegas. Ok, she's a registered republican, but her politics are all over the map.

Today she went to work w/ Move On and they sent her to the court house area of Las Vegas. She was there to try and sign up voters. There were times when she was scared shirtless. She had people get up in her face that basically scared her ... "I'm a convicted felon ..." She was fucking SCARED! She was basically dropped off and left to fend for herself. She had NO support. NO people to help her. She was so scared she called her husband to pick her up. The folks from Move ON did NOTHING to help her.

Sorry but this is WRONG! Nevada can be in play. Move On has failed BIG time.

[ronnykmarshall]

1. OK 63 views and no responces???

Nice

[chascarrillo]

21. Trashing liberal organizations???

Nice

[ronnykmarshall]

27. Oh god forbid ...

So sorry that Move On fucked up.

I guess we should be in lock step like the republicans.

[Zhade]

28. Um, point of order - we only have your word that MoveOn "fucked up".

NT!

[ronnykmarshall]

29. then report me.

Why the hell don't you report me as a god-damn troll and have my ass banned.

Kiss my ass. I'm being honest and telling everyone what my SIL happened to her.

Sorry that it might be shed a shadow on MoveOn.

[secondwind]

2. what was she afraid of...........hadn't she done this before?

[ronnykmarshall]

5. She's done TONS of politcal work.

She's a teacher and a union member. She GOP reg is basically void because she votes all over the place. I give her credit. She's a long time resident of Las Vegas and knows her city from block to block. I know she's got balls of steel. She tried her best today to hold her own. We've been in contact over the last few weeks keeping each other up to date on what we are going to do for Obama. She was very excited about working with MoveOn. But they basically took her and others in a van and dropped them off. No support. Nothing. She was also very concerned with some of the young peeps she was working with ... she's a mom at heart.

She's still comitted to helping NV to go for Obama. But NOT with MoveOn. She's going to get in touch with the Obama camp direct.

[demokatgurrl]

42. I think that's better- the campaign

will very likely NOT send her anywhere alone. I've worked on many campaigns, and they would never LET me go alone if there was no one else to go with. Always in pairs.

[wyldwolf]

3. you have just ONE beef with Moveon?

[ronnykmarshall]

8. More now after this.

Don't fuck with my sister!!!

[TheKentuckian]

4. In their defense, she was a public place and moreso the courthouse

I'm not exactly sure why she would be so very intimidated, if something popped off aren't their cops and tons of people around?

What do you think should have been done by Move On to better support her?

[ronnykmarshall]

6. Well let's see ...

The cops didn't do shit when she felt threatened.

Move On basically dumped her and one or two others in that area. She had NO phone numbers for people to help. Her car was miles ways. When she finally got a hold of someone it was basically to tell them she was leaving. She was there for hours and got NO people to register to vote. Before she left, she check on the other young man that was blocks away and he only got 4 people to register.

Move-On did NO homework. And did nothing to make sure their folks were safe.

Sorry, but I've been a supporter of Move-On for years ... but for them to act like this is fucked up.

[ronnykmarshall]

7. Well let's see ...

The cops didn't do shit when she felt threatened.

Move On basically dumped her and one or two others in that area. She had NO phone numbers for people to help. Her car was miles ways. When she finally got a hold of someone it was basically to tell them she was leaving. She was there for hours and got NO people to register to vote. Before she left, she check on the other young man that was blocks away and he only got 4 people to register.

Move-On did NO homework. And did nothing to make sure their folks were safe.

Sorry, but I've been a supporter of Move-On for years ... but for them to act like this is fucked up.

[Every Man A King]

22. 4 new registrations in a few hours seems fine to me...

Did he feel threatened? or any of the other "young peeps"?

[ronnykmarshall]

24. So easy for your ass to judge.

Were you there?

Did you talk to my sister?

[Every Man A King]

25. No i wasn't and neither were you

Im not saying she wasn't scared... But you haven't given any reasonable explanation as to why she should have been. Are you suggesting that the police should arrest anyone that makes her nervous? Im still not understanding.

[ronnykmarshall]

26. You don't get it.

Bottom line you would rather trash my sister than god forbid think that MoveOn fucked up.

Go look at your posts. You attacked my sister personally.

Every Man A King (15 posts) Tue Sep-23-08 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #17
19. She sounds like a paranoid lunatic
What else can we assume with the info you have given???

[qwlauren35]

9. "I'm a Convicted Felon"

Is a factual statement that she should have anticipated when she went to that location. I've heard it many times. Unfortunately, it's an implied question, i.e. "Doesn't that mean that I CAN'T vote???" The answer varies by state, and it's one she needed to know. So, for that, it was unfortunate. She should have been trained, or gone with someone who was trained.

But to be scared??? I don't know what to say, except she should have said no. And next time she'll realize that going to the Courthouse is a unique assignment. You must know the voting rights of felons before you go. Yes, disenfranchised Americans are going to be pissed off. But if you have something positive to say to them, it can be diffused. For example:

Remember, you can take people to the polls. You can talk to people about your candidate. You can wear a button. You can go door to door, you can make calls. You can convince others to register. Okay, so YOU can't vote. But if you get someone to vote who wasn't going to, then it counts for the same thing.


Been there, said it. It works.

[ronnykmarshall]

15. Bottom line ...

Move On fucked up.

[Blarch]

40. No they didn't.

Using your "logic"

If some of the people on the van didn't get scared when they went door to door...then it would appear MoveON did a great job at getting the word out to the people. Just because one person got scared doesn't mean it was MOVEON's fault, it doesn't mean they 'fucked up'

I would bet my best goat that there is someone going door to door for the Obama campaign and got scared for some reason ...does that mean Obama 'fucked up' ?

[2CheeseEnchiladas]

10. I have beef with them too

They still haven't shipped out my Obama t-shirt ;(

[MattP]

11. I'm going this weekend

I'm going to Nv. this weekend but not for Move-on. I got asked by a Obama email so don't worry I'm sure that Obama knows what he is doing, I made calls for Move-on in 06.

[Connie_Corleone]

12. So, someone told her he/she was a convicted felon and she got scared?

Were they asking if they could still vote if they're convicted felons? Or maybe they were just saying they can't register because they're convicted felons.

[ronnykmarshall]

13. I know my sister in law ...

and from what she told me she was scared.

Sorry if my word isn't good enought for you.

[Every Man A King]

16. Huh?

Just because she is scared doesn't mean its justified or that MoveOn did something wrong. You need to give a legitamate reason that she was scared. Was it midnight or something?

[ronnykmarshall]

17. It was in the middle of the fucking day.

Sorry to cast a negative view on MoveOn. You didn't talk to her. You didn't hear her story on the phone.

So god-damn sorry that it's not a good enough "legitamate reason" for you.

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[Raineyb]

31. Then what exactly was the problem?

It's the middle of the day in a very public place. Someone said they were a felon, so you either register them or not depending on state law.

Move on should have trained her about voting registration for felons in the state but you act as though they dropped her in the middle of a war zone.

Regards

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[Every Man A King]

30. That post is not edited

And it clearly states that its YOU who are making her sound like that! I just wanted to hear the whole story... there must have been something else that you are leaving out?

[Connie_Corleone]

41. Who said anything about your word?

You didn't really give much of an explanation except someone said "I'm a convicted felon". What was said before that or after that? Since you got an attitude with someone else who asked you a similar question, I won't hold my breath for any details.

[bluecatz]

14. Just contact someone in Moveon

They will gladly help you with your issue. Everyone makes mistakes.

[ronnykmarshall]

18. She did.

And she'll never work for them again.

[Richardo]

32. Sorry your S-I-L had such a bad time, ronny. MoveOn is the PETA of politics as far as I'm concerned

Left wing demagogues whose big contribution to the political discourse was 'General Betrayus'. :eyes: They've become nothing but a RW punch line.

Ronny, perhaps she'd get a little more support if she worked directly for the Obama campaign - do they have an active presence in Nevada?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

38. She should work directly with the County Party or a local Democratic club.

Move On means well, as does the Obama campaign, but they are usually run by a bunch of recent college grads (no offense to them) who don't know what the fuck they're doing. They have to make their 'numbers' and that tends to cloud their judgment. They do an okay job with phone banks but they have not a clue about how to conduct a proper door to door canvass.

[ronnykmarshall]

43. That's what she's going to do.

I was really proud of her to get out there work. I just hope this experience hasn't discouraged her.

[SeattleGirl]

33. There are definitely areas of Las Vegas where a person shouldn't

be by themselves.

I have a lot of respect for Move On, and am a member, but they should NOT have done this. They should have either given her a different area, or paired her up with another member.

[4lbs]

34. I'm trying to understand this.

During my trips to Wal-Mart and Target here in Southern California, I have often seen people by themselves trying to register people to vote, out in front of the stores.

That's right, they are there by themselves. It probably wasn't for MoveOn, but likely just a general organization, maybe even the California Democratic (or even Republican) Party.

The only protection they have is shopping center security people who drive by in their cars every 15 to 30 minutes. That's it.

So, wouldn't that be much more dangerous than someone who is still by themselves, but in front of a courthouse, in the middle of the day, with lots of Las Vegas Police and Sheriff personnel milling about all the time? Not to mention all the various other people, like lawyers, and potential jurors.

I think it would be much more dangerous if she were to be left by herself in a remote location of the city, like in a high-crime area suburb, and it was twilight.

What I'm saying that it is normal for people who volunteer to register people to vote actually be placed in front of a building by themselves. I frequently see it here in Southern California.

Thus, anyone who does volunteer for such duty should expect to be by themselves. However, the organization you volunteer for will usually try to put you in as safe a location as they can think of, with lots of people around and security personnel at least checking up several times an hour. I would think that being in front of a courthouse would be one of the safest places a person could be.

[ecstatic]

35. My beef is that I never got the Obama/Biden sticker they promised me nt

[progressiveforever]

36. This goes with the territory of door to door

I don't see how this is any organizations fault. I am reading your last three sentences and fail to make any connection.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

37. NEVER NEVER EVER send a volunteer out alone!!

:banghead: It drives me crazy how field organizers will send raw noobies out on their lonesomes to canvass. Stupid beyond all stupidity. The problem is you have these 23 year olds running the offices who've been given a mission to make their "numbers" and it overwhelms their common sense. I'm sorry that happened to your sis. My advice is to contact the county party. They should be staffed by veteran locals who know what they're doing and understand the community. Tell them to pair her up with a buddy and not to send her into a bad neighborhood.

[voteearlyvoteoften]

39. Mean streets

Don't canvas alone. Use your common sense. They have people who pull the canvas lists and they target the low income areas. I live in a very upscale area and have been sent places within a few miles of my house that were scary. At first we were treated with caution, but the residents were decent people...just poor. Besides those convicted felons may have had drug charges or public defenders.
But watch out for pit bulls. The dog variety. Just kidding..sorta. I have had great luck with new registrations at fast food places.
Most workers are young and new in the area and not registered. Anyone who volunteers on this all important election has my admiration.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

44. Sending a novice alone in such an area is most definitely unprofessional.

In an of itself, that only means they have to learn, adjust their operation, and not repeat that mistake. So future volunteers, unlike your SIL, stay and feel good doing their work.

The problem happens when there's a excessively inflated ego somewhere at the top imbued with "Le Roi Can Do No Wrong." If that's the case, the whole thing goes down the tubes rather quickly.

[ieoeja]

45. So this guy in ragged clothes approaches people with his fist pointed at them.

Hundreds of people just walk by the man ignoring him. Eventually one woman gets SCARED! She quickly hands over her purse then runs over to a pair of policemen observing the action.

"That man just stole my purse!"

"No, ma'am, he did nothing of the kind. We were watching, and you just gave away your purse to him."

"But he was threatening me!"

"No, ma'am, we have been observing him for awhile now. And we have not seen any overt threats to you or any other person. He did not even ask you for money. But we will retrieve your purse for you anyway. Perhaps you shouldn't be allowed out of the house by yourself?"

At this point the police retrieve her purse and offer the man a ride to the hospital where he will at least get a free turkey sandwich.


The above is a true story that occurred during rush hour in downtown Chicago about twenty years ago.

[bullwinkle428]

46. Ronny, try having her contact the Clark County Democratic Party office -

http://www.clarkdems.com/

I did this in my county of residence a couple of years ago when I wanted to get involved with the process for the first time. I'm sure they'll have a much better sense of how things should be done, from a local perspective, than a group like MoveOn.