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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:47 AM
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What Obama needs to be careful about in the debate:
the media will heavily critique his body language, just as they did with Al Gore.

Remember how much better Al Gore was in that debate with Bush? But the next day, all the media could talk about was his eye-rolling, his sighs, and his "wooden" posture. The fact that Gore was making SENSE and Bush wasn't didn't matter. Bush was declared the winner of the debate.

I hope Obama's getting some good training in body language from people who know more about this than I do.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:49 AM
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1. He's been good about not appearing condescending or over-confident in the past
I think his debates with Hillary were the best preparation a candidate could ever have. If he could resist her attempts to knock him off stride, it should be a piece of cake with McSlow up there. He just has to not underestimate McP*W.
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:51 AM
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3. I thought Obama did wonderful with Matt Lauer he was very
strong and sure of himself and defended himself very well with Lauer. So I agree, he knows how to do it
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:03 AM
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11. Didn't see it, but that's good to hear
I have the utmost confidence in him - he's the better man by far in this election.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:52 AM
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4. In general, yes, but the media got a number of shots of him
appearing to look down his nose at her (his head drawn back a bit, and his chin up).

And since then the McCain campaign has also been picking shots of Obama taken from underneath, so that he appears to be looking down on the viewer.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:57 AM
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7. Surely McP*W will be held to a lower standard and Obama will have to be careful
The media will try to be fair to both sides by keeping expectations low for McP*W. Obama must realize this (how can he not know this) and has to "appear" to be respectful of McP*W. Of course, if McP*W dares to throw out one of his hateful lies, then THROW DOWN THE GAUNTLET - NO MERCY! So, McP*W has to be careful of his "temperment" too :D
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:50 AM
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2. I agree. Even though I understand Obama when he talks
it's sometimes over the heads of the stupid people. You know McCain is not going to be over stupid people's heads, he can barely form sentences.

I remember reading somewhere, that Bill Clinton had a way of tearing down his opponent with a smile on his face. So he never came off as "too hard" on them or "mean". He did it in a very relaxed way and with a smile on his face. I think that would work for Obama for people to see him more casual, relaxed and smiling. Obama has an AMAZING smile! Very good looking man, ESPECIALLY when standing next to McCain
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:53 AM
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5. I agree, O needs to be very conscious of his body language
as well as facial expressions and vocalizations.

IMO, there is little doubt that he can trounce McSlime on every issue, so media outlets that are desirous of painting the debates as a win for McSludge will look for any and all means by which to do it.

Obama should not hand them any ammunition or this will be just like the Gore/Bush debate coverage referred to in the OP.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:57 AM
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8. I've been hearing so much on stupid CorpMedia about how weak Obama is
in debates - blah blah blah.

Truthfully, I like it. Keep talking isht, diminish the Great Orator well and good all week if they want to.

I think Obama will do fine, no really I do. He's smart and flexible, nothing like McDiaper.
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:29 AM
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27. lol, I've seen so many variantions of McCain.. I'm liking McDiaper
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 08:55 AM
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6. The voters who have not been involved until now (i,e, the antithesis of us) are not looking for
long explanations about policy and theory. I think they want short answers that are strong and to the point,
so they can say, "I'm gonna vote for that guy," and go back to whatever they were doing.

I think Obama needs to edit down his answers (or at least some of them) to deal with the short attention span of these mostly uninvolved voters.


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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:00 AM
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9. I WILL CUT YOUR TAXES - MCP*W IS BEING DECEPTIVE (lying)
He needs to drive home the point that McP*W has been LYING about Obama raising "your" taxes.

Shove it down his hateful throat.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:01 AM
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10. Definitely!
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:09 AM
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14. Like Lois on Family Guy?
9




11




:)
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:14 AM
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21. Like Brian said
"Undecided voters are the biggest idiots on the planet."

But the 9... 11... gambit didn't play so well for Ghouliani, did it?
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:17 AM
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23. Not this time. Thank goodness.
But never underestimate how dumb Americans are.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:09 AM
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16. I hope and expect that he learned something from his experience
in that religious non-debate (I forget the name of that), where McCain was generally deemed to be the winner because of his pithier answers.
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:10 AM
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17. Agreed!
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 09:11 AM by southpaw
These debates are primarily going to influence the undecided voters.

Those of us who are involved enough to consider lengthy, nuanced explanations already know who we are voting for, and it isn't likely that the debates are going to change that.

Obama needs to be fully aware - as I'm sure he is - that the people who stand to be swayed by the debates are overwhelmingly going to be most influenced by clear, concise, easy to understand statements delivered with bold certainty.

In these unsure times, a candidate's strongest asset is confidence!
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:07 AM
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12. What Obama needs to be careful about in the debate:
Making a joke
Being too serious

Speaking too well
Too many pauses and "uhs"

Looking unprofessional
Looking too manicured

Providing too many details
Providing too few details

Mentioning his family
Not mentioning his family

Complimenting his opponent
Not recognizing his opponent's accomplishments

need I say more?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:10 AM
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18. Being himself/not being "presidential," being stiff/being animated;
dressing too well/dressing poorly--ad infinitum.

You've got it!
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nyc 4 Biden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:27 AM
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25. BINGO!!!
There will be criticism either way.

Just like with the election Obama needs to destroy McCain so badly and so obviously just to overcome the obstacles i.e. MSM.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:04 AM
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35. the Limbaugh types will spin that as the "Affirmative Action" effect ... that the people were just
voting for him because he was "black" ...

Of course, if celebrity Arnold Schwarzenegger was not in the race, would Gray Davis have been forced out?
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:08 AM
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13. Obama has always had a very relaxed, and inviting kind of posture (eom)
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:12 AM
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20. And yet
there were quite a number of MSM shots of him in the debates with HRC, where he appeared to be leaning back, looking down his nose at her. And the McCain campaign has been heavily featuring shots of him taken from underneath.
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:16 AM
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22. So I guess you're buying that he is elitist. Hmmmm. (eom)
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:18 AM
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24. Not at all. But I am aware that McCain is using that argument and that the media
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 09:21 AM by pnwmom
loves to talk about body language. So Obama needs to be more skillful with his than Gore was in 2000.

This is what Obama should be guarding against -- shots like:

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/01/obama_subjects.html
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Lancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:09 AM
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15. The format of Friday's debate has them standing for 90 minutes
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 09:13 AM by Lancer
I would think that's a plus for Obama, plus the minute he puts on a suit he looks Presidential. He's going to take this seriously and probably look at previous debates to see what gestures, postures, etc. work and which don't on TV. I think McCain's stamina and concentration are going to fade over that 90 minutes. Just my opinion.

The second debate, moderated by Brokaw (October 15?) is town hall style, with them perching on stools and roaming around. Obama is a natural in that forum. I think McCain does better in that setting, although not as well as he thinks. Without a script or a Prompter he's going to have to come up with answers on his own (unless he's wired with a remote control like * in the second and third debates in 2004.)
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garymeeg Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:30 AM
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28. I agree, Obama's well trained and won't turn red after 70 minutes
Yep, it's definitely a plus for Obama. He'll sweat less than McCain:-)
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:11 AM
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19. In 2000, we had peace and prosperity.... so the media focused on "minutae".... not this time.


If this were 2000, Biden's gaffe yesterday about FDR "going on TV" would be the only story in the news.


Times are too dire for the media to be focusing on crap like that this time. Remember.... all the media have 401K plans too...
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:29 AM
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26. Kerry managed to pull it off and his body language is a lot less relaxed.
Obama's never had a problem with it--that's the least of my worries.
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:32 AM
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29. How many think that Obama will do way better than McCain so
after the debates McCain camp will pick something to throw a big fit on for spin (kinda like the lipstick on a pig)... They will POUNCE on something really small, because they will be even more desperate
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:37 AM
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31. It's his slight stutter that needs fixing--it makes him seem unsure.
When he gets rolling, he's amazing--but his motor takes a bit to warm up.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 10:37 AM
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36. Which is basically what happened to Gore. n/t
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:32 AM
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30. Biden gave an amazing speech in Michigan and all the press could talk about was his french cufflinks
If it's not one thing to nitpick on it'll be something else.

When Democrats do really well and are in command of what they talk/debate about then we have to find something trivial to knock 'em down.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:39 AM
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32. I do think he should smile more in general
Rachel or Keith showed clips of him last night, meeting people in a restaurant or someplace, and even when he was shaking people's hands he wasn't smiling. If I'd been looking forward to meeting him and finally got to, and didn't get a smile, my feelings would be hurt. Silly but true. For some reason we expect people to be roughly as happy to meet us as we are to meet them, and it feels like a social contract has been broken when they aren't.

He has a great smile--he ought to use it more. Not necessarily during the debates, which are serious, but in more personal situations or when waving to crowds, etc.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:40 AM
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33. Dont worry, he's got body language locked.......
..... I rely on reading body language in my job so I always pay attention to that.

Barack is just a natural ......... he is ....... but he's very conscious of it as well. It's always clear watching him, whether it's while giving a speech or an interview that's paying attention to how he looks (and that's a good thing, not a slam.)

John McCain ......... not so much. I am patiently awaiting the first appearance of "the scared face" ...... which I believe we will see many times during the night.
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 09:43 AM
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34. Obama keeps on a good poker face. Mccain, well you can tell he enjoys playing craps. nt
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