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Wed Sep-24-08 08:47 AM
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What Obama needs to be careful about in the debate: |
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the media will heavily critique his body language, just as they did with Al Gore.
Remember how much better Al Gore was in that debate with Bush? But the next day, all the media could talk about was his eye-rolling, his sighs, and his "wooden" posture. The fact that Gore was making SENSE and Bush wasn't didn't matter. Bush was declared the winner of the debate.
I hope Obama's getting some good training in body language from people who know more about this than I do.
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Wed Sep-24-08 08:49 AM
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1. He's been good about not appearing condescending or over-confident in the past |
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I think his debates with Hillary were the best preparation a candidate could ever have. If he could resist her attempts to knock him off stride, it should be a piece of cake with McSlow up there. He just has to not underestimate McP*W.
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Wed Sep-24-08 08:51 AM
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3. I thought Obama did wonderful with Matt Lauer he was very |
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strong and sure of himself and defended himself very well with Lauer. So I agree, he knows how to do it
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:03 AM
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11. Didn't see it, but that's good to hear |
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I have the utmost confidence in him - he's the better man by far in this election.
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Wed Sep-24-08 08:52 AM
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4. In general, yes, but the media got a number of shots of him |
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appearing to look down his nose at her (his head drawn back a bit, and his chin up).
And since then the McCain campaign has also been picking shots of Obama taken from underneath, so that he appears to be looking down on the viewer.
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Wed Sep-24-08 08:57 AM
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7. Surely McP*W will be held to a lower standard and Obama will have to be careful |
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The media will try to be fair to both sides by keeping expectations low for McP*W. Obama must realize this (how can he not know this) and has to "appear" to be respectful of McP*W. Of course, if McP*W dares to throw out one of his hateful lies, then THROW DOWN THE GAUNTLET - NO MERCY! So, McP*W has to be careful of his "temperment" too :D
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Wed Sep-24-08 08:50 AM
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2. I agree. Even though I understand Obama when he talks |
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it's sometimes over the heads of the stupid people. You know McCain is not going to be over stupid people's heads, he can barely form sentences.
I remember reading somewhere, that Bill Clinton had a way of tearing down his opponent with a smile on his face. So he never came off as "too hard" on them or "mean". He did it in a very relaxed way and with a smile on his face. I think that would work for Obama for people to see him more casual, relaxed and smiling. Obama has an AMAZING smile! Very good looking man, ESPECIALLY when standing next to McCain
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Wed Sep-24-08 08:53 AM
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5. I agree, O needs to be very conscious of his body language |
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as well as facial expressions and vocalizations.
IMO, there is little doubt that he can trounce McSlime on every issue, so media outlets that are desirous of painting the debates as a win for McSludge will look for any and all means by which to do it.
Obama should not hand them any ammunition or this will be just like the Gore/Bush debate coverage referred to in the OP.
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Wed Sep-24-08 08:57 AM
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8. I've been hearing so much on stupid CorpMedia about how weak Obama is |
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in debates - blah blah blah.
Truthfully, I like it. Keep talking isht, diminish the Great Orator well and good all week if they want to.
I think Obama will do fine, no really I do. He's smart and flexible, nothing like McDiaper.
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:29 AM
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27. lol, I've seen so many variantions of McCain.. I'm liking McDiaper |
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Wed Sep-24-08 08:55 AM
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6. The voters who have not been involved until now (i,e, the antithesis of us) are not looking for |
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long explanations about policy and theory. I think they want short answers that are strong and to the point, so they can say, "I'm gonna vote for that guy," and go back to whatever they were doing.
I think Obama needs to edit down his answers (or at least some of them) to deal with the short attention span of these mostly uninvolved voters.
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:00 AM
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9. I WILL CUT YOUR TAXES - MCP*W IS BEING DECEPTIVE (lying) |
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He needs to drive home the point that McP*W has been LYING about Obama raising "your" taxes.
Shove it down his hateful throat.
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:01 AM
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:09 AM
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14. Like Lois on Family Guy? |
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:14 AM
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"Undecided voters are the biggest idiots on the planet."
But the 9... 11... gambit didn't play so well for Ghouliani, did it?
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:17 AM
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23. Not this time. Thank goodness. |
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But never underestimate how dumb Americans are.
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:09 AM
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16. I hope and expect that he learned something from his experience |
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in that religious non-debate (I forget the name of that), where McCain was generally deemed to be the winner because of his pithier answers.
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:10 AM
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Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 09:11 AM by southpaw
These debates are primarily going to influence the undecided voters.
Those of us who are involved enough to consider lengthy, nuanced explanations already know who we are voting for, and it isn't likely that the debates are going to change that.
Obama needs to be fully aware - as I'm sure he is - that the people who stand to be swayed by the debates are overwhelmingly going to be most influenced by clear, concise, easy to understand statements delivered with bold certainty.
In these unsure times, a candidate's strongest asset is confidence!
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:07 AM
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12. What Obama needs to be careful about in the debate: |
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Making a joke Being too serious
Speaking too well Too many pauses and "uhs"
Looking unprofessional Looking too manicured
Providing too many details Providing too few details
Mentioning his family Not mentioning his family
Complimenting his opponent Not recognizing his opponent's accomplishments
need I say more?
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:10 AM
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18. Being himself/not being "presidential," being stiff/being animated; |
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dressing too well/dressing poorly--ad infinitum.
You've got it!
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:27 AM
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There will be criticism either way.
Just like with the election Obama needs to destroy McCain so badly and so obviously just to overcome the obstacles i.e. MSM.
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Wed Sep-24-08 10:04 AM
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35. the Limbaugh types will spin that as the "Affirmative Action" effect ... that the people were just |
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voting for him because he was "black" ...
Of course, if celebrity Arnold Schwarzenegger was not in the race, would Gray Davis have been forced out?
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:08 AM
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13. Obama has always had a very relaxed, and inviting kind of posture (eom) |
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:12 AM
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there were quite a number of MSM shots of him in the debates with HRC, where he appeared to be leaning back, looking down his nose at her. And the McCain campaign has been heavily featuring shots of him taken from underneath.
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:16 AM
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22. So I guess you're buying that he is elitist. Hmmmm. (eom) |
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:18 AM
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24. Not at all. But I am aware that McCain is using that argument and that the media |
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Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 09:21 AM by pnwmom
loves to talk about body language. So Obama needs to be more skillful with his than Gore was in 2000. This is what Obama should be guarding against -- shots like: http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/01/obama_subjects.html
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:09 AM
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15. The format of Friday's debate has them standing for 90 minutes |
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Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 09:13 AM by Lancer
I would think that's a plus for Obama, plus the minute he puts on a suit he looks Presidential. He's going to take this seriously and probably look at previous debates to see what gestures, postures, etc. work and which don't on TV. I think McCain's stamina and concentration are going to fade over that 90 minutes. Just my opinion.
The second debate, moderated by Brokaw (October 15?) is town hall style, with them perching on stools and roaming around. Obama is a natural in that forum. I think McCain does better in that setting, although not as well as he thinks. Without a script or a Prompter he's going to have to come up with answers on his own (unless he's wired with a remote control like * in the second and third debates in 2004.)
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:30 AM
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28. I agree, Obama's well trained and won't turn red after 70 minutes |
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Yep, it's definitely a plus for Obama. He'll sweat less than McCain:-)
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:11 AM
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19. In 2000, we had peace and prosperity.... so the media focused on "minutae".... not this time. |
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If this were 2000, Biden's gaffe yesterday about FDR "going on TV" would be the only story in the news.
Times are too dire for the media to be focusing on crap like that this time. Remember.... all the media have 401K plans too...
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:29 AM
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26. Kerry managed to pull it off and his body language is a lot less relaxed. |
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Obama's never had a problem with it--that's the least of my worries.
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:32 AM
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29. How many think that Obama will do way better than McCain so |
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after the debates McCain camp will pick something to throw a big fit on for spin (kinda like the lipstick on a pig)... They will POUNCE on something really small, because they will be even more desperate
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:37 AM
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31. It's his slight stutter that needs fixing--it makes him seem unsure. |
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When he gets rolling, he's amazing--but his motor takes a bit to warm up.
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Wed Sep-24-08 10:37 AM
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36. Which is basically what happened to Gore. n/t |
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:32 AM
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30. Biden gave an amazing speech in Michigan and all the press could talk about was his french cufflinks |
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If it's not one thing to nitpick on it'll be something else.
When Democrats do really well and are in command of what they talk/debate about then we have to find something trivial to knock 'em down.
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:39 AM
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32. I do think he should smile more in general |
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Rachel or Keith showed clips of him last night, meeting people in a restaurant or someplace, and even when he was shaking people's hands he wasn't smiling. If I'd been looking forward to meeting him and finally got to, and didn't get a smile, my feelings would be hurt. Silly but true. For some reason we expect people to be roughly as happy to meet us as we are to meet them, and it feels like a social contract has been broken when they aren't.
He has a great smile--he ought to use it more. Not necessarily during the debates, which are serious, but in more personal situations or when waving to crowds, etc.
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:40 AM
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33. Dont worry, he's got body language locked....... |
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..... I rely on reading body language in my job so I always pay attention to that.
Barack is just a natural ......... he is ....... but he's very conscious of it as well. It's always clear watching him, whether it's while giving a speech or an interview that's paying attention to how he looks (and that's a good thing, not a slam.)
John McCain ......... not so much. I am patiently awaiting the first appearance of "the scared face" ...... which I believe we will see many times during the night.
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Wed Sep-24-08 09:43 AM
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34. Obama keeps on a good poker face. Mccain, well you can tell he enjoys playing craps. nt |
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