Russian Navy Squadron heads to Venezuela: Deployment to Western Hemisphere unprecedented since Cold

[BrainStorm]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10308

A Navy squadron set off for Venezuela on Monday, an official said, in a deployment of Russian military power to the Western Hemisphere unprecedented since the Cold War. Navy spokesman Igor Dygalo said the nuclear-powered Peter the Great cruiser accompanied by three other ships sailed from the Northern Fleet's base of Severomorsk on Monday. The ships will cover about 15,000 nautical miles to conduct joint maneuvers with the Venezuelan navy, he said.

Dygalo refused to comment on Monday's report in Izvestia claiming that the ships were to make a stopover in the Syrian port of Tartus on their way to Venezuela. Russian officials said the Soviet-era base there was being renovated to serve as a foothold for a permanent Navy presence in the Mediterranean.

The deployment follows a weeklong visit to Venezuela by a pair of Russian strategic bombers and comes as Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez plans to visit Moscow this week. It will be Chavez's second trip to Russia in about two months. The intensifying contacts with Venezuela appear to be a response to the U.S. dispatch of warships to deliver aid to Georgia that angered the Kremlin.

Chavez said in an interview with Russian television broadcast Sunday that Latin America needs a strong friendship with Russia to help reduce U.S. influence and keep peace in the region. In separate comments on his Sunday TV and radio program, he joked that he will be making his international tour to Russia and other countries this week aboard the "super-bombers that Medvedev loaned me," a reference to President Dmitry Medvedev. "Gentlemen of the CIA, to be clear, I'm joking," Chavez said with a laugh. He has repeatedly warned that the U.S. Navy poses a threat to Venezuela.

[Boz]

1. They are protecting from a Bush October political attack against Iran

They are playing a really big game of RISK and russia just stopped a sweep move.

[BrainStorm]

2. In Venezuela?

Help.

[Boz]

5. They have parked two strategic bombers that can reach Washington in Venezula also.

If Bush makes a move on Iran, who is a stable trade partner with france and russia, The threat is now there that if he dares, for a political gain, they arent afraid to park a world o hurt on DC as they are obligated through treaties with trade partners to protect both their interest as well as allies.

This is more than the Guns of August in cuban missle crisis, but it is all back channel flexing with very little public voicing.

Russia is making it clear, DONT FUCKING DO IT GEORGE.

[Boz]

11. The subs are asaftey net to make sure no one comes in and makes a move on the Bombers on the tarmac.

Theres no way the US can bomb them from the air with out a direct declaration of war.

But there could be a sea based special forces sabotage attack with Iran/Contra plausible deniablity.

Park a net of subs that you can practically walk across to cover that space and no one gets to the bombers.

The bombers could drop on DC without ever even leaving international waters or entering our engagement zones.

[BrainStorm]

12. Got it.

Thanks

[BrainStorm]

21. If Israel should go in alone and attack, would the reaction of Putin be the same?

This is unbelievably scary. Why isn't there more talk about this?

[nc4bo]

22. He's setting his ducks up in a row. Not hiding anything and I see it as a clear warning.

[BrainStorm]

23. Yeah, but it will be harder to justify an attack if Israel goes in alone.

That's what I am wondering.

[nc4bo]

27. I wish I knew Brainstorm. I'm terrified at the possibilities. Hopefully

someone can drop some good ideas here.

:scared:

[BrainStorm]

31. I'm terrified too.

And what terrifies me most is that no one is talking about it.

[Boz]

32. Thats the scenario that makes me nervous. But I think thats why they made the stop off in Syria

They have been shoring up a small fleet there too, which is striking distance from Israel. I think they have Isreal in check too, its going to be a stalemate until US or Israel make a move, they do have a carrier with air strike force capability in the bay.

But I dont think we or Israel will with those sabers pointed at them for the next 4 or so months until the new administration is seated and then I think they believe that comes off the table.

If Obama isnt elected all bets are off.

[BrainStorm]

41. What could Obama do about this?

And you think McCain would be stupid enough to invade Iran under these conditions?

[nc4bo]

3. Why are we saber rattling with Putin? Why don't we leave Chavez alone?

Venezuela has friends too.

I'm imagining a giant billboard saying: Don't you dare F with us!

[BrainStorm]

4. I was thinking this was about oil

But the Russians have been doing war games with the Venezuelans. Do they expect a US attack?

[nc4bo]

7. It usually is. The U.S. is a crackhead desperate to find it's next hit.

Chavez nationalized his oil fields not long ago.....

Iraq didn't work out so well although I heard on Rachel's show last night that some western companies weaseled their way in now.

We already have feet and ships around Georgia....

It's like a bad rerun.

[Boz]

9. There is an element of the OIL war in the southern hemisphere,thats what the Drilling point is about

The reason they are pushing for the American Offshore Drilling is to subsidize the newly discovered oil fields offshore in Lima that have been recently acquired. They will get the technologies designs for the needed new pumping methods paid for by the American people and then SHARE it with itself (exxon in both cases) to open up the new fields in Lima.

[BrainStorm]

16. Peruvian oil. (Wasn't Bush buying property in Peru?)

Maybe I've got that mixed up.

[snake in the grass]

18. Because...

...Venezuela has oil. Chavez has nationalized the oil. This is Bush's oil. Bush wants this oil back.

These greedy bastards just can't get enough. I've often thought if I were to win the lottery (if I were to play the lottery), let's say € 20,000,000 (that was the jackpot recently), I'd give a chunk to the World Wildlife Foundation and then go offline. I'd pick a quiet corner of the world and just do my thing to the end of my days, happy and content. For Bush and his cronies there is just no end, they aren't happy until they have it all. Disgusting!

[BrainStorm]

19. But are the Russians getting that oil?

Is Chavez the new Castro?

[snake in the grass]

25. Chavez is a thorn in the side of the multinationals.

He offered to sell oil from shale at $50 a barrel but Cheney said 'no'. Chavez could have put a dent in the gouging we are suffering through. I don't know how hot the Russians are for Venezuelan oil as they have their own but I suppose Chavez wants them down there in case the Bushies try to have him removed again, kind of like an insurance policy.

[BrainStorm]

30. Didn't Pat Robertson say he wanted to kill Chavez?

Or something like that?

[snake in the grass]

37. Yes, he did.

Afterwards he claimed he was misunderstood but there was absolutely no ambiguity in his statement.

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WlSYoJQziA

If you have the time, check out 'The Revolution will not be Televised' about the U.S. backed coup in Venezuela in 2002:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144

It's 75 minutes long but, believe me, well worth it.

Enjoy.

[Clio the Leo]

6. See, this is what happens when we allow Palin to leave her backyard....

..... without her sitting in a rocking chair on her back porch with a shotgun staring down Putin through the trees, they just go buck wild!

SEND THIS WOMAN BACK TO WASILLA!!!!!!!!

[bklyncowgirl]

8. October Surprise?

Would the Russians want McCain in office to keep the western alliance divided?

[Boz]

10. Just the opposite,They don't want MCCain and signalled that clearly by quashing the Georgia uprising

Keep in mind that Rick Davis is a registered lobbyist for the breakaway government of Georgia, and both He and McCain ere present in Georgia only a few weeks before the uprising.

Russia is parking missles and bombers within striking distance to make it clear there better not be any funny stuff in October to benefit McCain by attacking Iran, Venezuala or Cuba.

[BrainStorm]

14. The Russians must have been gaining a lot of strength through the Bush administration.

They feel that there will be no payback for this defensive move.

[Boz]

24. The Bush Doctrine is the precedence, Bush cant have his cake and eat it too

[BrainStorm]

29. What a fucking can of worms!

Bush Doctrine. :grr:

[PufPuf23]

13. Check this link out about Venezuela oil and WWII

Yes I am the same PufPuf. lol

The map link posted by Vladimir is fascinating.

Pre-WWII the Shell refinery on Curacao and the Standard Oil of New Jersey on Aruba were the the two largest refineries in the world and sit off shore of the Maracaibo Basin (state of Zulia, Venezuela) which is the richest oil patch in the western hemisphere.



http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?p=564137&highlight=#564137

Note: This is on a Natalee Holloway Forum.

[Boz]

26. Theres another new field on the other side of the continent,the problem is they are deep salt locked

which is exactly the same format and will need the exact same pumping technologies developed as the offshore drilling that MCCain is now pushing. Why? So Americans foot the development bill and then the oil companies use the technology on the new southern fields.

[BrainStorm]

28. We pay for the R & D and the companies profit.

Kind of like DOS--developed by Xerox at Palo Alto on government grants; then bought by Bill Gates whose mom was on the board of IBM; now we pay through the nose for it.

[backscatter712]

15. Chavez does take things kind of personal, but who can blame him?

He was temporarily deposed in a coup d'etat, and the CIA did provide assistance to the coup plotters. Chavez is understandably unhappy with us about that.

Go watch The Revolution Will Not Be Televised if you haven't done so already.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144

[BrainStorm]

17. So how does a thread of geopolitical import--and related to the election--get an Average rating

while threads on Jane Pauley get a "Must Read"?

That says a lot about the simple-mindedness of many DUers.

[NJGeek]

20. crazy ivan at it again (eom)

[Iterate]

33. No, Tit-for-tat cold war. NATO cruises the Black Sea

While the guy on stage was showing you the new shinny object, Cheney slipped out the back door and went on tour, jabbing the bear and doing his best to jump start the cold war, saying and doing just the things that would piss off the Russians and make the EU nervous.

A few days after he got back, right after the Republican convention, when everyone was wound up about pitbulls and lipstick, NATO announced that "pre-planned routine" naval exercises would take place in the Black Sea. And now the next week, the Russian navy sails for Venezuela.

NATO ships enter Black Sea for exercises
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3447765

[Boz]

34. And dont forget NATO fighters flew escort for the Bombers that russia placed in Venezuela at the

same time.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/10/russia.venezuela/

[Boz]

35. And Ahmadinejad told Larry King there are enough people, who would not allow US to make that mistake

"Asked whether he fears a U.S. attack, Ahmadinejad told King that attacking Iran would be the "worst thing the U.S. government can do ... I think that in the United States, there are enough reasonable people, smart people, who would not allow the U.S. government to make such a big mistake."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/09/23/ahmadinejad.us/index.html?iref=topnews

[BrainStorm]

39. NBC news showed footage released by Iran of its nuclear program

An American expert was apparently shocked at how far the Iranians had come. The implication was that they possibly had a bomb.

[BrainStorm]

40. NBC news showed footage released by Iran of its nuclear program

An American expert was apparently shocked at how far the Iranians had come. The implication was that they possibly had a bomb.

[BrainStorm]

38. I so hate the M$M keeping us busy with bullshit.

This is important and it gets nary a mention.

[Boz]

44. Theres a whole world of news out there that shows the real picture, start checking EU, BBC, African

outlets you start to see less of the Pablum we are fed as News in the US.

There is a Global chess game happening, Bush/McCain are in the thick of it, the presidential election is just the sideshow to them, and would make it easier, but isnt even fully necessary.

[BrainStorm]

45. Gonna have to do that.

What a mess the world is.

[amborin]

36. US needs to ally with Russia, not isolate it

Russia was totally justified in its actions in Georgia


and the Georgians are brutal and undemocratic and were goaded into their actions in Abkazia and South Ossettia


McCain has it ASS WRONG on RUSSIA (and everything else, too)



this might play into mccain's hands

[BrainStorm]

42. But isn't Georgia our ally?

I don't get much about that conflict.

[Boz]

43. McCain is trying to have Russia removed from the G8 and Georgia is the trigger, thats why Palin was

Trotted out to meet the President of Georgia today.