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themaguffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:00 PM
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McCain using Wright in Michigan
"... the New York Times sent a reporter to Michigan and he noticed a lot of suburban cable attack ads that even use Rev. Wright against Obama. "


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/

From this morning's note on First Read
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:13 PM
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1. I warned this would happen. This cost him the support of a lot of white men. nt
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Whalestoe Donating Member (928 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:31 PM
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11. How much support did it cost him in the primaries?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:50 PM
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13. His numbers among white men fell. This is what hurt him in PA, for example.
He had been winning the male vote handily.
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Whalestoe Donating Member (928 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 01:16 PM
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16. I was just wondering if you remember by what %
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 01:23 PM
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17. You know, I can't remember exactly. I'll have to go back and scout it.
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 01:24 PM by MookieWilson
Once a pollster, always a pollster...this race was a living laboratory for me.

STILL is.

To be frank, I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think Obama will win...BIG. Still think so. But let's be vigilant nonetheless.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:15 PM
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2. Maybe it's time to drag out the Kenyan witch hunter now.
And somewhere there is bound to be video of Palin convulsing on the floor of a holy roller church, babbling and drooling. Maybe it will turn up soon.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:18 PM
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3. Palin speaking in tongues would be nice, wouldn't it?
FDR: Hey! That looks like QC!
WSC: Indeed it does...
FDR: Sit down and have a smoke!

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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:22 PM
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6. If that video turns up, it should go on pay per view.
I would pay to see it!
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:19 PM
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4. Fight Fire with Fire
Some clips of Hagee might be in order as well.

Wright is really old news but Sarah Yep Yep's church is not.

Obama may be too polite to go there but there must be a 527 around that would be more than happy to toss that one out there.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:23 PM
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7. And isn't there plenty of video of McCain
with the Keating 5 crowd.

It's so very sad what happened to this man, really,

I remember back in 2000, while I loved Gore and my intention was to vote for him, thinking that I would be great if McCain got the nomination so that the result of the election wouldn't be so scary or jarring.

I seriously think this guy has lost it. Not just integrity, but the desperation of this campaign just makes it seem that he is not himself anymore -- mentally.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:33 PM
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12. 2000 seems like a lifetime ago
I actually voted for McCain in the primaries in 2000. I had no intention of voting for him in the General but I thought if it was the Republicans turn to have the White House I would have preferred McCain over Bush. I really disliked Bush even back then.

Although I didn't agree with many of McCain's policies, I thought he was at least a decent guy. What a difference 8 years make. McCain sold his soul on the altar of ambition.

It is sad. His chosing Palin just proved how low he could go. Country First my ass. HE picked the bright shiny wing nut over any number of folks with experience and substance. He doesn't care about our country. He only cares about winning.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:27 PM
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9. Or McCain's anti-semitic pastor.
Wossname.
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:21 PM
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5. GOP Response To Economic - Lets Rehash The Irrelevant Stuff - IGNORE THE CRISIS!
Under Republican rule:

1. The U.S. suffered the worst attack on American soil on 9/11.
2. The U.S. invaded and occupied Iraq based on the false charge that it possessed weapons of mass destruction.
3. The U.S. ignored Afganistan and allowed Al Queda and the Taliban to re-establish their presense in Afganistan.
4. The U.S. lowered taxes for the very rich allowing their wealth to skyrocket while the real median household incomes of American families declined.
5. The U.S. suffered through two separate bear markets, one at the beginning of Bush's presidency, and the one we are experiencing now, which marks the first time a U.S. President has suffered through two separate bear markets. Even Hoover only had one big depression.
6. The U.S. suffered through a series of major company collapses with Enron and Worldcom during the accounting scandals of 2003 Rather than impose stricter regulations, the Bush administration just scape goated Ken Lay and Richard Egger without fundamentally changing financial regulations, and ignored the fact that these collapses were attributable to the deregulation master minded by Phil Gramm.
7. The U.S. went from a surplus to large and growing budget deficit and exploding Federal debt.
8. The U.S. ignored abuses in the mortgage industry, as George Bush encouraged Americans to shop with borrowed money.
9. The U.S. experienced the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.
10. The same GOP that railed against market intervention is presiding over the greatest nationalization of private industry the World has ever seen.

During this time, John McCain vigorously defended and supported the policies and President that led to this mess.

The honorable thing for John McCain to do is to admit the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of Republican policy. However, John McCain has no honor. Thus, because the Republicans can't win on thier record, expect them to do some pretty incredible things to try to distract American people from the truth that is staring them square in the face; that Republican rule has been an epic economic and foreign policy failure.

Also, expect the MSM to largely support the GOP in this effort. The McCain campaign has once again attacked the MSM as liberal, which always signales the large corporate MSM to back-off and cover the topics handchosen by the McCain campaign, as listed in Steve Schmidt's "suggestions" of the things the MSM should be focusing in on, which have nothing to do with current economic crisis. The last time the McCain campaign raised the liberal media charge in earnest was during the RNC convention, and the MSM dutifully covered lipstick, pigs, Palin's personal issues, and Obama's patriotism. Expect the MSM to dutifully comply with McCain's campaign's direction, now that they have the political cover of a "liberal media bias" allegation.

The distraction will have to be very big to distract Americans from the current crisis, but never underestimate the power of the MSM to completely ignore the issues and focus on trivia and character attacks.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:26 PM
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8. Let's hope the Obama team releases McSame & Palin Pastor Problem Ads
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 12:28 PM by Overseas
They've got lots of material--

Johnny opposing Johnny-- clips opposing pandering to religious right, followed by clips of him thanking Haggee and Paisely for their endorsements.

Palin's Jews for Jesus pastor and the witchcraft guy and her statements in church that the Iraq war was a mission from God and praying for the pipeline.

And there are lots more Palin Christian taliban videos.
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Maine-i-acs Donating Member (989 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:30 PM
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10. But McCain isn't even Baptized! The shame !1! The horror!!1
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:51 PM
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14. Video of Palin praying with her witch doctor.
Edited on Wed Sep-24-08 12:53 PM by Undercurrent


Wasilla, Alaska

On September 20 and 21, I attended services at the church Sarah Palin belonged to since she was an adolescent, the Wasilla Assembly of God. Though Palin officially left the church in 2002, she is listed on its website as "a friend," and spoke there as recently as June 8 of this year.

I went specifically to see a pastor visiting from Kiambu, Kenya named Thomas Muthee. Muthee gained fame within Pentecostal circles by claiming that he defeated a local witch, Mama Jane, in a great spiritual battle, thus liberating his town from sin and opening its people to the spirit of Jesus.

Muthee's mounting stardom took him to Wasilla Assembly of God in May, 2005, where he prayed over Palin and called upon Jesus to propel her into the governor's mansion -- and beyond. Muthee also implored Jesus to protect Palin from "the spirit of witchcraft." The video archive of that startling sermon was scrubbed from Wasilla Assembly of God's website, but now it has reappeared.

The Youtube version is below (Palin appears after about 7:30):
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/the-witch-hunter-anoints_b_128805.html

(posted in new thread too)

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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-08 12:51 PM
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15. From what I heard, it's a PAC that's doing it
and it's not real well-funded or widely spread.

They're hoping the media will pick it up and run it for free.
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