Biden just wrote off WV and maybe PA

[wvbygod]

Him declaring "NO NEW COAL" is not good a vote getter around these parts.

added link.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&um=1&tab=wn&nolr=1&q=Biden+%2Bcoal&btnG=Search+News

[MadBadger]

1. I'm glad you're not a Dem Strategist

Biden may have wrote off PA..HA!

[blondeatlast]

3. No kidding. nt

[danielet]

57. AT SOME POINT YOU MUST LEVEL WITH VOTERS

CLEAN COAL IS NOT *NO* COAL....It does not mean mass unemployment...it means safe mines and safe fuel!

[TwilightGardener]

2. Bad news: nobody pays attention to Biden. Good news: nobody pays attention to Biden.

Obama's position on coal is what matters, and Obama will correct the record. It will be OK.

[Lilith Velkor]

38. LOL! n/t

[DefenseLawyer]

4. The Coal vote is massive.

This is a game changer.

[sharp_stick]

13. Bullshit n/t

[Kolesar]

33. There are only about 50,000 coal miners in this country

Automation has replaced a lot of jobs. So has mountain top removal (aka strip mining).

[spinbaby]

48. There are few decent jobs in WV and Ohio

Coal pays well. Not many jobs do in WV and Ohio. And we're not talking about coal miners, we're also talking about the companies that service coal mines. You're looking at more than enough votes to swing the election.

[Kolesar]

63. There are only 3000 coal miners in Ohio--there are more people than that in my office building!

[WinkyDink]

40. Nobody's mined coal in Eastern Pa., e.g., for decades.

The No. 9 mine in Panther Valley is a tourist attraction!

[DefenseLawyer]

64. Just to be clear, that was a joke

The coal vote is not massive. This is not a game changer. Sorry for the confusion.

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[BlooInBloo]

6. You fail.

[dchill]

7. Link or stink.

[wvbygod]

11. This is not LBM. Google it. It was on TV

that's google.com

[dchill]

14. I'm sticking with "link or stink."

[AllieB]

15. The onus is on you to provide a link.

You should know that by now.

[1corona4u]

26. OMG you all!!! It was on teh TEE VEE....

LOL......

[Debi]

28. Why not provide the requested information to your fellow DUers?

You post a rather flame-baity comment that our Vice Presidential nominee allegedly made and when you're asked to provide proof of the comment you give a flippant 'google it'?

Sounds like you only wanted to make trouble for people on this board and NOT to actually discuss the comment Joe Biden may or may not have made.

:wtf:

[AtomicKitten]

8. I just said "NO MORE BISCUITS" to the dog and boy is she pissed!

I think I just wrote off Montana and No. Dakota.

[Barack_America]

9. That's certainly not Obama's position. nt

[cosmodem]

19. good to hear. But does this mean Joe Biden is out of sych with

Obama again?

[Barack_America]

21. Possibly. I don't know what he said. The OP provides no link. nt

[Connie_Corleone]

10. Did Biden just come out and say, "NO NEW COAL!" and left the building?

Or is there an actual quote in context you can link to?

:eyes:

[AlCzervik]

12. can we have some context or a link?

[wvbygod]

18. link

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&um=1&tab=wn&nolr=1&q=Biden+%2Bcoal&btnG=Search+News

[AllieB]

20. It's not quite a post-and-run

more like a swoop-and-poop.

[ClarkUSA]

16. He also misstated Obama's position on this issue. Let's hope there will be no more gaffes.

Stay on message, Joe. And don't diss anymore Obama campaign ads hitting McCain to Katie Couric.

[discopants]

17. Rendell clarified : new CLEAN coal facilities, no more outdated plants to be built

and said that citizens of PA are completely behind that approach.

Heard this on Fox interview about an hour ago.

[TwilightGardener]

24. Thanks for clarifying, Fast Eddie.

[1corona4u]

30. Exactly, clean coal technology.

I don't think Biden heard the girl say clean coal, I think he thought she just said coal. It was noisy there.

[sharp_stick]

22. Do you overreact like this all the time...

Oh no, there's a bee in my car, I'll just drive into that bridge abutment to kill it.

[TwilightGardener]

25. LOL!

[wvbygod]

36. Overreact?

The coal miners and their support here in WV may disagree with that assumption.

[gateley]

23. i posted elsewhere and I'll post it again --

What I'd like to see is for Biden to come out and explain these statements that are being questioned and jumped on.

Rather than having the campaign rush to "proclaim Obama's support", which always sounds like an ooooops cover up, let Biden address it himself. If he misspoke, he's a big boy and can take responsibility for what he said. Clear the air. Tell the truth. Stop playing the game, in this instance.

And by the way, wbbygod, that's NOT an accurate portrayal of what he said. You're knee-jerk reacting and spinning it just like the opposition would do. AND refusing to provide links (a courtesy here at DU). Why?

[wvbygod]

42. links have been added to the OP

"We're not supporting clean coal," Democratic Vice Presidential Candidate Joe Biden said in response to a question this week in Ohio. "No coal plants here in America," he went on to say in a video that's now posted on YouTube.

There is no way to spin that shit.

[gateley]

45. Well, and I"m not being an apologist for Biden, but I think he should get

a chance to explain what he meant. He of course is aware of Obama's plans, it just makes no sense that he would say this, any more than he would say "we're not planning on giving 95% of Americans a tax break" Just doesn't make sense - he needs to -- and deserves to -- explain.

[Bjorn Against]

27. Well at least he didn't write off the planet as you seem to be suggesting he should do.

We can't be so short sighted that we put the electoral votes of a couple of states above the well-being of the entire planet. Coal is one of the very worst pollutants, and is contributing tremendously to global warming. I am glad Biden is willing to stand up to the coal interests and take global warming seriously.

[nycmjkfan]

29. When did WV become a batteground state?

[wvbygod]

39. Since people have been fighting for their lives and jobs here

I doubt most sincere democrats want to write us off.

[sailor65]

31. Here

To help out the OP

http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/09/17/biden-no-coal-in-america/

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080923/pl_politico/21939

Although it does not appear to support Obama's real plans, Biden did say it, apparently without thinking it through. I'd say the OP's point is valid.

[1corona4u]

32. It's not a valid point at all.

I'm really getting tired of people disecting Biden's words to slam their own candidate. Either he did not hear her say CLEAN coal, or whatever, but I can find VIDEOS, from the recent past, where BIDEN himself has SAID they will look at CLEAN COAL TECHNOLOGY....in fact, I'm going to go get them now...


here's one; FF to 1:36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-TSTkqG8MY


looking for more...

here's another one; FF to 54 seconds;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-r3fGCYs1w

Here's another one;

FF to 1:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_vzt2LCPUA



There are more, but to say Joe is against "clean coal technology" is bullshit.

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[1corona4u]

37. People need to realize that the attacks will start becoming

more and more pithy as time gets closer to vote. Clearly we all know Joe supports clean coal technology. At any rate, I expect more of the same in the days to come.

Biden's alleged gaffes are important, but the cloistered fuck face from AK, is not. Give me a break.

[sailor65]

61. How about you get over yourself

and stop calling everybody who notices more than you a "Disruptor."

If you've followed Biden over the years you should already know that he's not always known for his clarity on point and it's something he needs to be careful of.

Or, you could just bury your head in the sands of overconfidence ala 2004 and then wonder what the hell happened after the election.

[Debi]

62. Hahahahah ... no wait.

hahahah :rofl:

I only wish I would've followed Biden over the years.

Wish I knew a single thing about the guy.

*sigh* Thank you for your enlightening message :hi:

Fight on!!!

[sailor65]

59. That's because you missed the point

The point being that Biden needs to be more careful in his wording, NOT that Biden is actually against clean coal.

Edited for spelling......

[jillan]

34. That is Biden's position - not Obama's and it was one of the reasons

I supported Joe in the primaries.
The environmental groups love Joe. 95% rating.

But it is Obama who is at the top of the ticket.

[1corona4u]

41. It's not Biden's position at all....

he has always talked about clean coal technology, as I pointed out above, with the recent videos on global warming, and clean coal technology. They want people to think he doesn't support it, so Obama will lose to those states who produce coal, and it's just not true.

Joe has said many,, many, many times he wants to explore it.

[jillan]

46. Here is Biden's position on clean coal -

What role does "clean coal" play in your vision for energy independence and climate security?

I don't think there's much of a role for clean coal in energy independence, but I do think there's a significant role for clean coal in the bigger picture of climate change. Clean-coal technology is not the route to go in the United States, because we have other, cleaner alternatives. But I would invest a considerable amount of money in research and development of clean-coal and carbon-sequestration technologies for export. China is building one new coal-fired plant per week. That's not going to change unless there's a fundamental change in technology, because they have about 300 years of dirty coal, and they're going to use it.

-------------------
So - we are both right. Biden is for it to export to other countries, but not for the US actually using it because there are cleaner alternatives.


http://www.grist.org/feature/2007/08/29/biden/

[1corona4u]

50. Yeah, that's what I meant Pirhana....

he wants to research it, which is what I meant when I said explore. :-)

Oh, and did you hear, that during the Olympics, in Beijing, they actually shut DOWN their coal plants, so they could have fresh/clean air? I was like stunned when I heard that....their air must be really bad with them running....

Check out this pollution pic, and there are a ton of them out there;

[wvbygod]

43. Glad you are honest

I take it the "environmental groups" are doing all they can to help WV recover from
losing all its coal mining jobs too?

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[bushisanidiot]

44. You are supporting repukes by posting their smears. Biden did not say what you are claiming in the

context you are putting it in.

You continue to bash Obama and Biden and continue to stick up for Palin and McCondo.

Alerting.

[AllieB]

47. And this person wonders why he is greeted with derision?

You're not the only one who has noticed the trend. ;-)

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[1corona4u]

55. LOL.....

[ramapo]

49. He says weird stuff sometimes

Coal isn't exactly a good path for healthy energy

[dionysus]

51. wait a minute, aren't you the guy who never has anything nice to say about our ticket?

:eyes:

[wvbygod]

65. I am my own critic

My party deserves no less than myself. If you thjink the ticket is perfect and can
not be improved then let it be as it is. I plan to change it to my perfection. If I have
to be critical then so be it.

[youthere]

56. Hmm...I did a search on you...I think I'm writing this thread off.

[wvbygod]

66. Your subject reminds me of a famous song...

"I got a line on you"

[Danger Mouse]

58. We're doomed. DOOMED.

[LynneSin]

60. Wait, did Delaware just Annex Philadelphia into their state?

:rofl:

I have lived in Pennsylvania for over 30 years and trust me, this comment will mean shit to the people in the Philadelphia region who, if anything, would applaud cleaner air environments. The people who care the most about Coal are in the regions of the state that would have gone McCain anyways so unless Philadelphia was annexed by Delaware then we have nothing to worry here.

As for West Virginia, we haven't won that state in ages and not winning it now. So notthing to worry about here.

Please, understand how the states work before making crazy statements like that. A better post would have been - How would Biden's comment on No New Coal affect states that produce Coal.

[wvbygod]

68. A better post...

Had I stated my disdain like that I would have been shammied with "concern". :o)

[yardwork]

67. I'm sorry, but burning things to make energy is over.

Burning coal heats up the earth's atmosphere, causing global warming and disaster. Digging coal out of the ground destroys mountains and pollutes aquifers. If we're the "best country in the world" then we need to develop better technologies for energy and better jobs for people than risking their lives digging coal out of the ground.

I agree 100% with Joe Biden. Coal hasn't helped the poor people of West Virginia and Pennsylvania. They're worse off now than they've ever been. Coal puts money in the pockets of a few CEOs at a terrible cost to everyone else. Enough.

[wvbygod]

69. Energy 101

Unless something is burning, there is no energy. Zero Kelvin ain't happening any time soon.

[yardwork]

70. Look up in the sky. There's a big star burning. Great big.

Move on to Physics 101. Gradients in temperature cause air movement. This is wind. It contains energy. Look down at the ground. Gradients in earth temperature. Geothermal energy. Look over there at that waterfall...