Today was a well thought out scam by McCain and the GOP

[VeraAgnes]

as it can evoke several positives outcomes for the republicans:

Look at what happened today.....all the GOP Congressmen involved in Finance were ready immediately to talk to the media in response to the "Breaking News". Example; Graham, Hatch and others...all with the same Reid asked Mccain to come home and help lie....they all had it down in sync!

1. McCain comes out the "fixer" of the economy crisis by Monday because Senator Reid asked him to come to Washington....repugs see him as a fine leader, *bush will give some fighter reference to Mccain tonight I bet as well.

2. Several repugs in the Congress want to get a blank check, we Democrats are trying to take time and make informed decision. By McCain doing the drama and alleging he will be the Hero, well, the Democrats will cave-in before Friday to avoid the Hero McCain scenario.

We can lose if we can't contain this scam.

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. McCain will be seen as a drama school dropout.

The only thing he'll be fixing is his crippled campaign.

[babylonsister]

2. Well thought out? Surely you jest!

Check out a blog, any blog. Watch Olbermann, Maddow, even CNN. I'm watching PBS and they're lambasting him.

[VeraAgnes]

8. The GOP had their script down pat!

It's a complete scam on America but they are prepared to sell it! This is their spin. I do not know if it will work but it does pressure the Congressional democrats and fair minded repugs to rush into a blank check decision. This smells of a *bush move as well.

Make no mistake, it is not some senile old man. If you do, then they have you just where they want you....deceived and quick to take the bait.

[babylonsister]

11. Do you honestly think Dems in Congress will feel pressured, by McCain

especially? They have his number. The sad thing is McCain is making this political when it shouldn't be.
But they're not about to ask how high when McCain tells them to jump. And what about McCain's total LACK of an economic background? They'd be nuts to listen to him.

[VeraAgnes]

19. Let's hope they , the Dems and reasonable repugs in Congress at the moment ,hold out and don't

respond to the media jargon pressure. This is the GOP Plan I tell ya. Let's see how *bush plays Mccain into all this at 9PM.....this could be telling.

[anigbrowl]

17. Yeah, and even half their base think McCain has lost the plot.

Take two and call us in the morning.

[tinrobot]

3. In exchange, he looks like a debate-shirking coward

I don't think it will work, the downside is too great.

[Godhumor]

4. The Dems have not shown any sign of folding, the talking heads have called this a political stunt...

McCain may have expected our side to cave, but we haven't. The press has also been extremely critical of this decision (for the most part), and I don't think that's changing any time soon.

[VeraAgnes]

88. They must hold the line and Obama needs media time too.

The debate can be our "Time". Recognizing their play is key! We can stop this.

[ShortnFiery]

5. Substitute "well thought" with "half-baked" and I'll concur with your adept analysis.

;)

[VeraAgnes]

45. McCain's actions have the media buzzing today

and it leads up to the President. Obama, well he is in the audience.....Mccain is getting traction, as well as bewilderment.....Yet, not enough calling out as being a con-man for which he is! This is a huge scam and he is getting top billing....*bush will close the act tonight........fooling the foolish who "want to believe"......

[Doityourself]

6. Not.....

[Lars39]

Harry Reid says no need for Obama and McCain to rush back to Senate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3509079

[VeraAgnes]

27. I know.........but the GOP repugs had a lie in the playbook

and they ALL went on National Media saying the lie because the truth may get drowned out and we can't prove it either.

[cosmodem]

75. ah, but their President has just asked both to come--so Obama said he will go.

[faithfulcitizen]

7. I really beg to differ. I think it is desperate, and it looks pathetic to me.

[VeraAgnes]

13. We said the same thing about Palin and she is

beating Biden in undecided states at the moment..and she is just an entertainer. They ARE selling America a lie....the election is close and the GOP has been all smoke and mirrors, a Penn and Teller Show and the people don't see it!

This indeed was planned to pressure the blank check by Friday! 911 Legislation all over again folks.....

[cali]

21. You haven't been paying attention. Palin is no longer an asset. Obama has been pulling away

and this move is about McCain's loose cannon impulsivity. Planned, my ass.

You either haven't a clue or you're yearning for Obama to lose so Hillary can run in 2012.

[VeraAgnes]

29. My sister called me today about Biden in Cincinnati

and how great it was.......then, she shared this Cincinnati TV poll....scroll down on lower-mid right....


http://www.local12.com/Default.aspx

Which VP Candidate Do You Trust Most?


Joe Biden (33.3%)
Sarah Palin (66.7%)

This little TV poll only reflect that Palin is liked in the redbelt territory....A mini poll right after Biden was in town.

What I'm saying is she has impact, don't put your guard down and laugh her off just yet.They want to believe in this...excuse me please.... "empty skirt".

[Starry Messenger]

30. Those are not scientific.

[VeraAgnes]

41. Chill out. I know that this is not scientific

and was not claiming such. It does reflect she is liked in the redbelt....not all washed up either. We need to not underestimate the GOP voters....they want something to believe in even if it's a moose princess.

[cali]

46. bullshit,, vera. unadulterated steaming pile of it. it reflects nothing of the sort

the only thing it reflects is who freeped a poll. And tough shit for you, dear. Obama is going to win. Hillary won't be running in 2012. Live with it.

[VeraAgnes]

60. I continue to try and be nice when you initiate a post to me

but you have deep seeded hate. Please put me on ignore and stop your abusiveness. I'm asking you nice. O8)

[cali]

61. nope. and I don't hate you. I hate the bullshit you spew. learn the difference.

[VeraAgnes]

68. Stop it please.

Why do you stalk me?

[Starry Messenger]

47. Um. I'm chilled out.

You're the one citing a freeped poll like it reflects the real world polling. :shrug: Although I award you points for moose princess.

[VeraAgnes]

53. Read my post for Chrissake.

We are on the same side so stop with the attitude.

[Starry Messenger]

62. LOL.

I posted a one line sentence pointing out a fact and got a reply telling ME to chill. That does tickle me.

[cali]

33. an internet poll? bwahahaha. pathetic . give it up. we know what your

bitter ugly little agenda is. YOU should be ashamed or go hang out at a PUMA forum.

[book_worm]

39. apparently you have missed real poll results showing Palin is the most unpopular candidate in the

race



CANDIDATE FAV UNFAV NO OPINION
MCCAIN 45 44 11
OBAMA 56 37 7
BIDEN 46 35 19
PALIN 44 45 11

http://www.dailykos.com/dailypoll/2008/09/24

[VeraAgnes]

51. Play nice for a change

Can you try?

[Starry Messenger]

54. Posting numbers is mean?

[cali]

58. why don't you try supporting the dem nominee for a change?

Enough with your passive agressive crap.

[book_worm]

65. What are you talking about? you posted phony internet polling and I countered with

a real poll and this is your response "play nice for a change?" no wonder everybody is voting thumbs down on your post.

[verges]

89. Cincy is a red town anyhow. nt

[deadparrot]

23. Yeah, she's the most unpopular of the four candidates,

and her favorability numbers are falling with each new poll. Real big success story, that.

[Starry Messenger]

9. I don't know what you were watching.

On my TV the Dems took the first round. Calling it erratic, a gimmick, etc. Did you watch Obama's statement?

[VeraAgnes]

79. See post No. 74 if link does not work.

Let the video page load, click on Hardball...........click Orin Hatch pic.

Here>>>>>>>.I found a video link:

Hardball MSNBC

Orin Hatch. He said Pelosi and Reid asked him for help.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/

[cali]

10. bwahahaha. how idiotic. it's already a disaster for McDeranged.

And stop repeating fucking lies. Reid NEVER asked him to come to D.C.

Stupidist post of the day. And disruptive.

[maxsolomon]

12. Except Reid asked McChikain to STAY AWAY.

but thanks for playing.

[VeraAgnes]

80. Wait a minute.....

I'm identifying their plan.......not embracing it by any sense of the thought!. I wanted to talk about stopping them at their scam.....first step is to identify their game. Looking at where this insane act will gain them any traction.......once we see where they are headed, we could break it up. It's the sport of politics.

[anigbrowl]

14. Er, no. When a snap poll shows only 10% favoring debate postponement, I'd call that a fail.

It looks more like a spectacular mess from where I'm sitting; this is proving even less popular than the bailout proposals.

[TheKentuckian]

15. Surely, you don't see this as "intelligent design" do you?

Reid said he hoped to have McCain's support on the bill.

McWorse/Failin are ducking and as usual have no plans or ideas, so they're rolling the dice.

[VeraAgnes]

24. I see this as what they, the GOP/*bush Corporate monsters

have planned out.......Let's listen to what *bush says tonight about Mccain in this...they'll want this done by Friday before we can make a reasonable plan.......that's what I'm picking up. Bookmark this thread and comeback in a few days.........see if I was close.

[blondeatlast]

16. Do they sell that stuff over the counter? nt

[enough already]

18. This crap isn't going to work

More Rovian dramatics. Not this time.

[Ichingcarpenter]

20. You 'loose' it was a crap shoot, he rolled snake eyes and crash his 6th plane

Look at any poll the nation is not buying it.

[RayOfHope]

22. Mmmmmm, not so much. n/t

[A-Schwarzenegger]

25. Repugs drive off cliff! (Dems think: It'th a trick!)

Rove belong to all your dream.

[flamingdem]

26. The media and those following the elections want their Friday Night Fix

So 90% of the population is now pissed off at McCain.

[DevonRex]

28. Vera, you're always saying we lose about something or another.

McCain looks like the idiot he is with backing out. He looks even more unbalanced than he has in the last few weeks and I honestly didn't think that was possible.

But go ahead with your gloom and doom. I'm laughing my ass off at them and so are most people.

[VeraAgnes]

34. This is a Discussion Board for starters

not fantasy Island....it is absolutely NOT doom-gloom!

Trying to recognize your opponents game is what politics is all about. Not drinking kool-aid. McCain has control of the media focus tonight....not Obama. So, we need to see where our target is headed, track him down and hopefully ambush him ASAP. This is done through discussion. I bet Obama Campaign is not just sitting on the bus having a beer laughing at McCain and calling him senile....Do You?

I can clap, sing Lalala Obama all day....but if that is all that we did, then we have lost.

Maybe I need to find a grown-ups Board.

[Starry Messenger]

40. And on this Discussion Board

it is nice if links are provided. You have not responded to the links posted that refute your assertion about Reid.

[VeraAgnes]

74. I made no such assertions nor need links;

on the contrarry, it was all over the media talking heads just after LBN..by 4pm EST..Sorry you missed it. CNN, MSNBC, Fox....they had on both Senators, Hatch and Graham and other mccain talking pieces...one was a loud-mouth female....never got her name.

Here>>>>>>>.I found a video link:

Let the video page load, click on Hardball...........click Orin Hatch pic.

Hardball MSNBC

Orin Hatch. He said Pelosi and Reid asked him for help.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/

[DevonRex]

76. That loud mouth one made my skin crawl. I don't know who she is, either.

They always drag out Orin when they need somebody with a tiny bit of credibility to do their dirty work. Glad I missed most of it.

[Starry Messenger]

77. I guess I just don't get what you're trying for here then.

I watched all those shows too and saw a very strong dem response that came way before the lame repub water carriers. I watched the FOX breaking video. :shrug:

[DevonRex]

72. Vera, I didn't tell you to stop. I said go right on with your gloom and doom.

You posted what you thought and I posted what I think. That's all. Sounds like discussion to me.

[VeraAgnes]

93. My bad.....

Sorry. :hug:

[DevonRex]

98. That's okay.

:hug:

[newfie11]

31. Didn't Senator Reid say he didn't want Mccain t return to Washington

I heard Senator Reid say that presidential politics was the last thing they needed while trying to solve the finance problems. He didn't think either candidate should be there while the decisions were being worked up.

[VeraAgnes]

38. The GOP Congress and talking heads planned this talking point

to be ready for the media calls as soon as the Breaking News hit the wires. They planned the lie in sync.

[Emit]

32. Senator Reid didn't ask him to come to Washington

[Danger Mouse]

44. Senator Reid said the opposite, actually. This OP is shit.

:)

[Emit]

64. Yup

Reid said don't come, iirc

:hi:

[RollWithIt]

35. Well, the problem is they're used to framing Fox News, not the whole MSM...

And like every other BS tactic they've pulled, this one failed too.

[book_worm]

36. It sure isn't going over big for McCain in the msm

[Spider Jerusalem]

37. The word is spelt 'LOSE', not 'LOOSE'

and you've been whingeing incessantly about one thing or another with a great deal of negativity as long as you've been here. Do you ever, even once, say anything remotely positive? Or for that matter anything that isn't just amazingly STUPID? McCain's abdication of his campaign looks weak; even conservatives are saying it's a transparent political ploy...someone at the National Review (!) was saying that Obama's comments and position re the debates look more rational and measured than McCain's. McCain is flailing badly; Palin has hurt more than helped, it's turning out, and this past week is showing that McCain has very poor crisis management skills and does NOT behave in a calm or reassuring manner when faced with unexpected pressure.

You should remember to take your meds.

[VeraAgnes]

50. Thank You for the spelling correction

as I did not go over the spell checker. I'm so glad you have some remedial skill to share.

[cali]

52. duh. spell check wouldn't have caught that. Loose is a word.

and that's not so much a spelling mistake as a reflection of ignorance-yours.

[VeraAgnes]

97. I don't take any meds, don't need them thank you..

Your behavior reminds me of republicans on crack.

[Danger Mouse]

42. I love the new rating system. It was made for trash like this.

Trash!

[book_worm]

43. Me Too!

[cali]

48. A steaming pile of PUMA shit. fuck this crap.

[Neshanic]

71. Gee I remember Skinner and his little talk about letting go ofthe past... you missed it I guess.

[cali]

73. the op clearly hasn't let go of the past. and if you don't think most people

can't see through it, I suggest you review this thread.

[VeraAgnes]

78. You are using your vivid imagination here.

Please stop starting trouble that never was present. I offer discussion on us getting scammed by Mccain....nothing more. You need to leg go.

You should apologize to me.

[Danger Mouse]

85. Why the fuck are you even still here?

[VeraAgnes]

91. This Mccain play has been creepy........

I just have a bad feeling when it started....too weird to be impulsive............smells to me. Now, with Obama going to see *bush tomorrow, I feel worse....Call it intuition if you like.

[Danger Mouse]

92. My post wasn't directed at you.

:hi:

[VeraAgnes]

94. Okay.........Thank you for clearing that up.

I'll remove it ASAP. My bad.

[Danger Mouse]

96. Don't worry. You give McCain too much credit.

[Norwood]

49. This whole thing just shows how bad off the McCain campaign is

His poll numbers are dropping, one poll has Obama up by 9 points! As Barney Frank put it, its a hail mary pass and I personally think its gonna backfire big time on McCain. McCain is on the defensive and this stunt just proves that, all Obama needs to do is stand pat.

[Zomby Woof]

55. Why doesn't anybody know...

How to spell 'lose' anymore? :shrug:

Other than that, your post is unadulterated bullshit.

[Erin Elizabeth]

56. Actually I think the McDouche campaign is dealing with so many

negative issues that it's having a cumulative affect. They're imploding.

[GrizzlyMan]

57. More defeatist tripe. I rated this thread as disruptive.

[Not a robought]

59. Ya got nothin' but your paranoid concerns and bullshit web poll

I'm sure one or two others, besides yourself see what game was in play today. And thanks, but no thanks for that concern though.

[VeraAgnes]

63. The web poll is in response to another and not

significant, I agree..I was making a point that she is relevant in the redbelt voter base.

[Frank Cannon]

66. If this is a "strategy", it's laughably bad

McCain's not getting sympathy from anyone on this. The ribbing he's taking tonight will be nothing compared to what he's got coming to him.

Maybe he'll do something really ingenious and drop out of the race. Yeah, that way the Republicans will have us just where they want us!

[VeraAgnes]

95. This will play out over the weekend.

Something is very peculiliar....it's too stupid yet the timing is right....the "players are now in place", $700 billion dollars on the table and the GOP wants our signature on the line now and Obama going to see *bush tomorrow!....this is a GOP master play.

This smells of blood.

[BlooInBloo]

67. About as well thought-out as this failboat post.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

69. There's some proverb about a hole and a shovel and digging and stopping,

but it might be a well thought out scam by McCain and the GOP.

[VeraAgnes]

83. See, *bush wants this passed NOW.

That seems to be the direction and final goal....Mccain can force the hand maybe if he pushes his wa into the meeting so he can look like the "fixer".

That move alone will stress out the Dem's a bit and pressure the GOP hold-out Senators to force a quick bill pass before we can make an informed decision.

[Neshanic]

70. And for your well deserved concern you get a "skip it" from the gallery. I agree with you

All though the finer points have not revealed themselves, this is a huge GOP master play right before our eyes.

[VeraAgnes]

81. Finally, someone who can

look outside the box. :loveya:

Now, I can't get on task for I need to recover from the abuse. You made it worth my efforts.

[Beetwasher]

82. You Two Should Get A Room

Maybe you can use your McCain points.

[VeraAgnes]

86. Is that the best you can do?

I wanted to discuss strategy but it is too complex for most here.

[BlooInBloo]

90. BOO!

:rofl:

[Danger Mouse]

87. OMG WATCH OUT KARL ROVE IS RIGHT BEHIND YOU!!!!

[Imagevision]

84. And finally Bush invites Obama to come back to Washington....

and join Mccain in postponing the first debate. NOT!