McCain Just Blew It: DEMS REACH A DEAL TONIGHT

[berni_mccoy]

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN2448444820080925

WASHINGTON, Sept 24 (Reuters) - Democratic Rep. Barney Frank said on Wednesday Democrats had reached an agreement to stem one of the worst U.S. financial disasters in decades, and that there would be enough votes to pass the measure and send it to President George W. Bush to sign into law.

Looks like the GOP Congress has thrown McCain under a bus on this one.

Here's how HuffPo lays it all out:

Sunday: McCain Endorses Bailout...
Tuesday: McCain Says He Hasn't Actually Read Bailout Plan...
Wednesday: Obama Leads In Polls, McCain "Suspends" Campaign To Focus Exclusively On Bailout...Then Tapes Interview With Katie Couric...
Wednesday Night: Dems Say They've Already Reached Deal On Bailout

I can predict Wednesday Midnight: McCain Campaign collectively poops pants.

Thursday: McCain and Obama vote on Rescue Bill
Friday: McCain crawls back to the debate.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Now, THIS I can live with!

How much I hope you're right!

Wouldn't that be wonderful?

:woohoo:

[mucifer]

2. why do you think the republicans won't philabuster? They might say they don't want to bail out

the fat cats. The American people have a problem with the bail out. This could be a mess.

[1corona4u]

6. That's what I just said, they will fight it some more.

[Statistical]

25. Sometimes huffy is so shortsighted.

Tomorrow Rep phillibuster long enough for McNotSoSane to ride in on his white horse.

The "negotiate" some to make it look like he "saved" the day.
Propose some ammendments. Agree to final form and allow vote.

Then afterwards a lot of talking points about thank god fighter pilot McCain saved the day.

Unless the Dems have 60 votes they can't force it to the floor in the senate.
Unless they have 51 they can't pass it even if it did come to a vote (Liberman siding w/ GOP gives them 50 votes).

I hope I am wrong but I don't see a way that dems can make this happen without McCain "help" (I use that term very loosely) unless they get 10 GOP senators to break ranks.

[still_one]

3. so are you saying the repukes can't stall it? /nt

[anonymous171]

4. lol McCain just got owned.

[1corona4u]

5. Well, the dems may think they have a deal. but I bet the repukes fight them

some more on it...so I would be surprised if it happens tomorrow, or even Friday. I hope I am surprised, but remember, Obama said he would not vote for it, without his list of 5.

[rufus dog]

20. It will be tough to drag their feet on this one.

Not that they won't try

[joshcryer]

26. Nope, the Dems have infinite political capital now.

If the Repubs don't vote for it it'll be seen as a political thing, especially since McCain has unilaterally stated that he won't go to the debates without a bill being passed.

In other words, McCain just walked himself and his party into a no-win scenario.

[Barack_America]

7. Yep. McCain was going there to advocate for Bush's version of the bailout.

House Republicans have just abandoned both Bush and McCain, by coming to their own agreement with Dems.

Good for them (though they really just did it to save their political asses)

[Abacus]

8. "All of sudden, now that we are on the verge of making a deal, John McCain here drops himself in

"All of sudden, now that we are on the verge of making a deal, John McCain here drops himself in to help us make a deal, Frank said.

[juajen]

15. It appears to me that McCain wants Obama on the record with

his vote, as well as his own. Makes sense to me. This way neither one can fudge on how they voted.

[firedupdem]

9. This whole thing is really nuts! What is he going to do next? n/t

[book_worm]

10. Will enough republicans vote for it so that it's bipartisan? will McCain vote for it? or will he

vote against it and then try to use his opposition to the bailout as proof that he's against bailing out Wall Street while Obama is for it. I think McCain has proved in this campaign that he will do whatever he thinks he has to do to win even if it means trying to pretend to be a populist.

[Statistical]

29. I think the Rep will pretend to be against it until McCain "convices" them

1) Dems try to force vote (requires 60 yea)
2) Rep block
3) McCain "convinces" GOP to work in bipartisan fashion
4) Some minor changes
5) Force a vote - Passes.

Faux news calls McCain hero for "briding the gap".

[Baltoman991]

31. And if

polls are any indication, the people will see right through that little ploy.

Times are changing. Enough Americans have woken up to the games.

[LooseWilly]

36. I was thinking the same thing.

The problem I see though, is that when McCain "rides to the rescue", he'll be "riding to the rescue" of a Bush plan... which will not only tie him to Bush, but, assuming it'll be something Obama endorses (since I don't think the Democrats will buck Obama's plan, especially since it's a good set of points) it'll also be tying McCain to Obama's plan.
I assume that McCain's weird "suspend the campaign" thing is some weird stunt to try to claim that the plan is really his... but at this point I think he's lost so much credibility that I have a hard time imagining anyone but FOX news, and maybe David Gregory, even paying lip service to the idea.

The real question, I think.. is will McCain suddenly pull yet another 180 and suddenly side with the Free Marketer Republicans... and go back to his deregulator ways?... Though, the question that would follow is how much he would have to slip in the polls before he reversed that 180 with yet another 180...

It's becoming hard to even try to keep up with the McCain phrenetic schizophrenia...

[CoffeeCat]

11. I can predict that right about now...

The doctor who travels with McScary--is shooting him up with elephant tranquilizers.

I bet the man is in the throes of a complete breakdown.

Not one of his schemes has worked. He has tried to destroy Obama, but his actions have only
lifted Obama's campaign polls.

When Obama wouldn't agree to town-halls, MCNasty launched a horrid barrage of disgusting ads. Those
backfired and the public soured on McCain's negativity. Obama's polls rose.

Today, McCain tries to screw over Obama--after Obama extends a hand to McJerk and asks them to
work in a bipartisan way to help the economic crisis. McCain announces he's putting country before
politics and suspends his campaign, and tells Obama that he would be wise to follow McTraitor to
DC.

That blew up in McDuh's face too.

Wow. Just wow. If he's not heavily sedated by now--he's either had an aneurysm or he's murdered someone.

[PerfectSage]

12. Mr Hanky endorses McPoopyPants

[tkmorris]

13. That sounds like bad news actually

There is no way Dems have an agreement on this already unless they gave away the store. Hammering out the kind of fix we really need would have taken weeks.

[book_worm]

14. And they better not be doing it on there own but have lots of GOP votes too

because otherwise the Republicans will campaign on the issue that they were against bailing out Wall St. while the Dems were for it. The bailout is not popular.

[avaistheone1]

16. That's my feeling as well - it couldn't be ultimately be good for taxpayers

if it has been done so fast unless the Dems came up with something they know the republicans and the troubled bankers would not agree with in order to stonewall the bail out altogether.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

18. Rachel quoted Barney Frank that negotiation w the Rs starts tomorrow at 10--IMO

Dems in the House have agreed with Dems in the Senate, but now they'll have to start getting lots of Rs to sign on as co-sponsors.

[Wapsie B]

17. To me it sounds like brilliant strategy on the part of the Democrats.

Let McCain and * scream about the financial emergency upon us. Democrats work out an agreement. If repugs him and haw over it they'll look like complete fools.

[SDJay]

19. Yep.

It's either:

1. Eat our anti-Rep, ver batim Obama plan, sign it, and look like followers; or
2. Kick up a fuss, don't sign it, look like corporate enablers and watch McCrap eat shit when he shuffles into that debate and gets his ass kicked.

It's a tasty crap sandwich waiting for the R's and McCrap tomorrow. Should be great fun.

Is Churchy Spice on another field trip tomorrow, is is it a 'book-learnin' day'?

[Wapsie B]

27. I think she's got an autograph signing at the National Enquirer.

*rim shot*

[Monk06]

21. Watch Bush veto. THAT would be icing on the cake.

[ProSense]

22. McCain is an idiot

Dodd and a few other Democrats developed plans at the onset of the crisis. Most Republicans adopted Paulson's non-plan. McCain was busy trying to figure out which spin would work to his advantage, and in the 11th hour decided to go with holding the debate hostage to a crisis even though he would have no role in the negotiations.


Idiot!

[nc4bo]

23. I still don't like this bail out crap. Not one bit. 5 points, strings, whatever we want to call it

it's still FUBAR.

[TheDonkey]

24. I think Democrats should form their own bailout package completely separate from what Bush wants

we cannot allow him to once again try rushing Democrats into passing disastrous policy on his behalf. This smells too much like the IWR.

[nc4bo]

30. Some of the worst decisions made on earth are rush jobs. They win, maybe not all they want but

it's still a win.

I want to see the agreement, all of it. I don't give a damn if I can understand it all or not.

[TheDonkey]

33. Seriously, I do not feel good about any agreement so soon. This meltdown has been happening for 2

or 3 years. I do not see why we need to be rushing together a solution in 2 or 3 days.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

28. I agree with you. We are being rushed into this. Bush is just emptying out our pockets

as he exits the door.

Organized crime is kindler and gentler than that.

[nc4bo]

32. Someone mentioned making this agreement temporary before making it permanent.

Perhaps 3 or 6 months then re-evaluate it.

#%%! who am I kidding, it's foul.

[krkaufman]

34. Maybe it's part of the plan for McCain to come back to Washington ...

... and tongue-lash his fellow Republicans. (More of the "standing up to his own party" tripe)

[Life Long Dem]

35. "We're trying to rescue the economy, not the McCain campaign," Frank said.

:patriot:

[dipsydoodle]

37. Will Monkeyboy be able to ink out

any conditions attached to agreement for the bailout or re-insert this if its been removed ?

"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."

[symbolman]

38. Signing Statements anyone?

You KNOW if Bush is involved it's going to fuck everyone in AMERICA and line his buddies pockets..

McCain's really been blowing it lately, he shows up when the shit is basically OVER and claims ownership of the situation as in "We are ALL Georgians Now", etc..

His Campaign people are Rabidly right wing Rovian Wannabees and have NO class at all.. all they do is FUCK UP.. Useless shit polishers..

Watch for McCain to step on his dick tomorrow bigtime, it's all he does.

GO Obama. Love to be a fly on the wall when Obama and McSame meet with Bush in the White House. Hope that Bush doesn't say something like, "So Barack.. you like those little kids of yours much?" "So how's a billion dollars in an offshore account sound to you?" "You know, we kill people all day long all over the world.. yuck, yuck, yuck.. tell 'em Dick.."

He's walking into the Dragon's Mouth tomorrow. Obama is the bravest man I think I've ever seen.

I hope nobody dies, I'm worried sick that there'll be some terra terra terra attack somewhere to take the heat off of McCain at this point, sacrifice a city so that McSenile looks like a Foreign Power Ranger.

[tomp]

41. now that's one fucking funny subject line! nt

[Froward69]

39. HAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!

the last part was the best!!!

"Americans complaining to their representatives in Congress that these corporate chiefs shouldn't be rewarded for failure.

"On the executive compensation thing, it went to the core of their (the Bush administration's) being," said Frank. :patriot: "It was like asking the chief rabbi of Jerusalem to eat bacon on Yom Kippur. It was the most unthinkable thing they could think of." (Reporting by Richard Cowan and Thomas Ferraro; Editing by Doina Chiacu)


oh That was RICH....:kick: :kick: :kick: :woohoo: :woohoo: :applause: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :patriot:

[tomp]

40. you can't come up with and pass a plan in 7 days...

...for a crisis that took years to create, that people saw coming at least a year ago and were unable to do anything about, let alone read it and understand it and all its necessary complexity, let alone share with the american people and get feedback from them. what kind of package are the dems getting behind? to act like this is a good thing because it hurts mccain is extremely cynical at best. has anyone learned anything?

[Alter Ego]

42. I thought the Republicans had claimed there was no deal.