Bill Clinton: Well, we know McCain did not postpone the debate because he was

[my3boyz]

scared to debate Obama. McCain wanted more debates! SHUT THE HELL UP BILL!!! I can't stand his ass anymore. I can't wait to see his damn face once Obama wins. Oh and he said the debates should be cancelled if both candidates agree to it. WHATEVER!

[Unsane]

1. Bill Clinton holds a deep jealousy of Barack Obama.

[my3boyz]

4. Yup! He says a couple of positive things about him but can't resist throwing a few jabs in there. He

is so jealous that he can't see straight. The democratic party was supposed to be is party and they turned on him by siding with Barack.

[Essene]

62. yes. sadly the clinton's sense of entitlement is now a liability for the dems

[Essene]

63. ps. some of us were pointing this out in january when they race baited *cough*

[Whisp]

70. that says it all. Obama is now the man and billy can't stand it.

the self absorbed little prick.

I used to really admire him and look forward to his speeches but now I can't stand even looking at that lieing gob.

[deaniac21]

85. I wouldn't call him little.

[LisaM]

90. Please. The Democratic party doesn't have "the man"

Or it shouldn't. It's a coalition, not a dictatorship.

[madaboutharry]

2. I think you're right. I think he can't

stand that Obama may end up a more popular and successful president.

[Franks Wild Years]

12. Well, the thing is...

Clinton essentially presided as a moderate, rational Republican, the like of whom are as rare as hen's teeth these days. As well as Obama's victory in the primary, I wonder if he'd be loathe to see someone who is a bit closer to being a true Democrat take the Presidency.

[cali]

3. yep. bill is really not helping Obama. his agenda is clearly to help McCain and hurt Obama

tough shit for bill that it won't work. Despite what the apologists say, bill richly deserves the approprium of all real democrats.

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[dsc]

5. have you ever heard of these things called links?

No link, no description of where this is, no context, no ability to judge if you are simply lying through your teeth.

[my3boyz]

6. Perhaps you should turn your tv on sometime and you would see it. How am I supposed

to link a clip from Good Morning America?

[dsc]

8. you could say

I just saw Good Morning America and Clinton said yada yada yada. Some of us, I know you will need vapors for this, are at work at this hour of the morning and aren't psychic. Oh and ABC does have a website where I am sure this will eventually be put.

[book_worm]

53. Sorry I saw it on GMA, Bill saying same thing. Many others saw it, too.

No link because it was a live interview, maybe later. But I'm sure there will be plenty of links later on.

[my3boyz]

54. The video is up! Judge for yourself!

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/

[Evergreen Emerald]

73. I just watched it, thanks

You guys have got to get a grip. You are overblowing his words in an attempt to continue your irrational HATE.

Dang.

[my3boyz]

55. If you are at work why don't you do your job instead of making

snarky comments towards someone who is trying to tell you what was on tv. I have no reason to lie about Bill Clinton.

[flpoljunkie]

27. Bill on Today: 'Both of them have gone out of their way to not let this get involved with politics.'

Are you f*cking kidding me! McCain's actions regarding suspending his campaign and delaying the debate are pure politics, cynical politics. Tom Brokaw said yesterday, in response to McCain's latest moves, that McCain loved 'ambushes'--and, so far, they had worked for him.

[NJmaverick]

7. I defended him after the View

I was wrong. Bill Clinton is just a big time asshole

[WA98296]

9. Bill Clinton...what a blessing.

[cali]

14. true enough. he's a blessing for McCain and Palin

and an irritant for Obama.

[sufrommich]

10. If he did say that,it's just inexcusable!

It sounds like a Lieberman quote.

[liberalMOmama]

11. Maybe he's baiting John McCain?

I doubt it but I'm throwing it out there anyway.

[No Elephants]

20. Don't understand " throwing it out there" if you doubt it. I doubt it, too, though. Don't even un-

dertand how defending McCain can possibly be seen as baiting him.

[Warren Stupidity]

13. That's the kind of support I'm talking about!

Clinton looked better and better the longer Bush-the-stupider was in office, but the reality is that his presidency was All About Bill, he screwed interns and progressive values with equal abandon, and he ushered in Republican control of all three brances of the government.

[obiden]

34. Because of Monica Lewinsky, Gore lost 2000

otherwise it wouldn't even have been close

[polmaven]

65. Al Gore did NOT

lose because of Monica Lewinsky. Grow up! It is REALLY time to get over that crap. President Clinton left office with an approval rating near 70%. ONE of the reasons Al Gore is not president now is because he ran away from Bill Clinton during his campaign....Oh...and because Bush CHEATED!

[QC]

69. Amazing how many freeper talking points have become conventional wisdom on DU lately.

If I were the suspicious kind, I might think that's not purely coincidental.

[polmaven]

82. Hmmm....,

Very interesting, isn't it?:eyes:

[QC]

87. Yes, it really is very interesting. But purely coincidental, I'm sure. n/t

[polmaven]

88. Oh, yes! Of course

it is PURELY coincidental! ;)

[Drunken Irishman]

98. Especially when a former DEMOCRATIC president is using 'em.

Crazy, isn't it? How he can continue to prop up McCain and give subtle slams to Obama.

That Bill, he's one crazy SOB!

[CakeGrrl]

15. The way he keeps fluffing McCain at every opportunity, you have to wonder

if that's where a few of the McCain dollars are going.

I'd love to know what Obama and Axelrod really think of his performance on the media circuit this week. So long as they're not surprised.

[ShortnFiery]

16. Is anyone keeping track of all Bill Clinton's glib attempts at sabotage?

He's just ... a SAD shell of the truly great statesman he used to be. :(

[No Elephants]

17. BC is saying that on Today Show now and otherwise helping McCain. McCain

wanted more debates long before this happened. McCain DOES not want a moderator lining up the stupid things McCain did last week and asking McCain to explain himself.

[qanda]

18. Did I miss that part of the interview?

I thought I heard him say that the debate should continue because it's about showing confidence.

[No Elephants]

47. He said we know that McCain did not postpone the debate bc McCain is afraid of Obama because we know

that McCain wanted more debates. And, yes, if you did not hear that, you missed it. What he said about whether or not the debates should proceed is not the point of this thread.

[qanda]

50. Why shouldn't what he said about the debates proceeding not be a part of this thread?

I thought this thread was about what Bill Clinton said about the debates. Why isn't everything he said allowed in this discussion and who gave you that right to decide?

[polmaven]

61. Because that would weaken

the whole "Bill HATES Obama" meme, silly!

[qanda]

80. I'm starting to figure that out.

Oh well, I guess I'll just bow out and let them waste their time on this counterproductive exercise.

[dee15644]

19. Keep him away!

I couldn't believe his response! Well I can, but he isn't even helping his reputation with democrats at all. Maybe he is suffering from dementia as he gets older, just like McCain.

[LaurenG]

21. I know we have die hard Clinton supporters here

and we have those who could live without Bill. My take is that he doesn't campaign for anyone except Hillary. If you remember in 2004 before he got sick there was little passion out of him for Kerry and now he's got even less for Obama. He just needs to go back to his friends in Colorado and enjoy his life. He's got nothing for Barack, and he can't force himself to give anything for the democratic cause. He really does like McCain though doesn't he.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

22. Bill Clinton has been pissing me off. Not only is he helping McCain, he brought Democrats into his

1999 signing of that bill. If I recall, it was a Republican led bill.

I have said it before and will again...Bill Clinton is the best Republican President we've ever had....

[vaberella]

23. There's no saving BC from this one, not that I was EVER saving him. He needs to go. n/t

[OneGrassRoot]

24. I've always been neutral about the Clintons...

my main thoughts being on how a certain segment of the population ADORES them and another DESPISES them.

After watching several of them, I definitely think he's subtly (?) dissing Obama in these appearances; certainly pumping up McCain if nothing else.

To what end, I wonder? For the people who HATE him (hardcore right-wingers), maybe it will prevent them voting for McCain...they don't like the guy anyway. Anything/anyone Clinton DOES like repulses them.

Maybe it will keep some of the right-wingers home. I don't necessarily think that's BC's intention, but it may be a result.



:shrug:

[ShortnFiery]

29. Psychologically - when a person you previously admired changes course and disappoints you,

the RESENTMENT is "as great" or "greater" than that of people who never cared for "that person" to begin with.

In other words, there is a consensus of social psychological studies suggesting that you will DISLIKE people who you once adore *even more* than those who were turned off on their persona from the onset.

I find the above findings <channeling Spock> "fascinating" and reflected in my life experience.

That's why I must admit a slight character flaw ... the "Clinton haters" are not exclusive to the right wing.

Yes, I know that it's immature and illogical, but I'm hurt and feel politically betrayed. :shrug:

[OneGrassRoot]

37. I can understand that....and certainly see that here at DU.

My neutrality saves me from the drama so many are experiencing.

HOWEVER, I understand some of this because I was an Edwards fan. 'Nuf said. The disappointment does become bitter resentment because we feel "played." Well, I do, at least.

It's easy to say "stay focused" and just interact about Obama and stay away from the Clinton topic, but this is a messageboard, after all, and it's a natural place to vent about such frustrations.

All I can say is, good luck. I mean that sincerely.

:hi:

[ShortnFiery]

44. Thanks much.

Part of improving is knowing your own flaws.

I guess that's why I admire Obama (and my husband's temperament) so much - they are very steady and slow to anger.

However, we can not change our basic temperament and as long as we don't overtly hurt others, we can do well in society.

John McCain is an "ok" person but IMO, it's TRUE, he has a too fiery :blush: temperament to be our president.

It would be so beautiful if Bill Clinton could set his ambitions aside and fully join forces with Obama. What heights we could reach if those two were buddies? Won't happen. :(

[deaniac21]

86. One thing that is an absolute certainty, is that every politician

will disappoint you GREATLY, at some point.

[No Elephants]

48. To what end? McCain in 208 means a chance for Hillary in 2012. PUMA!

[seabeyond]

25. he knows what he is doing. we know what he is doing. people on du will say, leave bill allllooone

this isnt the only election he has done this. one reason i didnt support clinton. just one reason. too self interested. i am going ot have to agree with the poster that says it is jealousy. doesnt want anther dem to outshine him. he isnt all that. i only voted for him second time cause of what repugs were doing, not cause i respected or liked him

[Boz]

26. What "Jewish Holidays" was he talking about on Larry King,He said he would campaign for Obama after

The Jewish Holidays, WTF message is he trying to send.

This is a man that knows exactly what his words are and mean.

[michaz]

28. He seems to always have some reason to delay campaigning for Obama. n/t

[No Elephants]

49. "Delay?" LOL. He'll "delay" until Wednesday. November 5.

[cali]

30. What? Didn't you know that Bill is a devout Jew. How can he possibly

campaing during Jewish holidays?

[Boz]

31. Heres the link at CNN, thats why I said, what Jewish Holidays is he talking about

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/24/bill-clinton-ill-campaign-for-obama-after-the-jewish-holidays/

[cali]

39. I think he;s referring to Rosh Hashanah which begins Sept 29th this year

so why can't devout little bill campaign for Obama before then? What a disingenuous little creep.

[AspenRose]

94. Yom Kippur is 10 days after that

So there's 10 days in between the two holidays and about 3 weeks left afterwards.

[WinkyDink]

43. It depends on what the meaning of "Jewish" is. Heh.

[obiden]

32. He needs to be called out for what he is doing

enough

[ShortnFiery]

35. He's a former President and no one will cross him. But sadly, he's trashing his own legacy

with pettiness and jealousy.

Bill Clinton's admittedly super-high IQ (165) is not reflected in any "emotional intelligence" criterion. :(

[Spider Jerusalem]

57. What legacy?

If Clinton's presidency has any lasting legacy, it is in the economic effects of globalisation and deregulation. He will go down in history as a mediocre president at best, and as Calvin Coolidge to Bush the Lesser's Herbert Hoover at worst. Charisma alone donesn't make for a lasting legacy if it has no solid and lasting accomplishments behind it. If JFK hadn't had the vision to say 'we can put a man on the moon by the end of this decade', the steel to stand up to Khruschev during the Cuban missile crisis, or the willingness to work toward what would, under LBJ, become the Civil Rights Act of 1964, he'd be remembered as a forgettable president. What makes a great leader is facing great challenges and meeting them with fortitude; Clinton faced no challenges comparable to those faced by Lincoln, or FDR, or JFK, and gave what the fullness of time has shown to be the wrong answer to those he DID face (which, primarily, were questions regarding the future direction of the American economy and the role of the government in directing it; on the former, the exporting of industry, and the shift to a service economy model, has been less than ideal, and on the latter, well...we see the results of deregulation and lessening of government oversight in the current financial crisis).

[Cha]

95. Sandwiched between

two bushes.

[No Elephants]

51. By whom? And to what end?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

33. No doubt, the Clinton Enablers will call us all haters!

Nothing will convince them. They are just like Bush supporters.

[TexasObserver]

36. Bill Clinton is a black hole that runs on egotism.

I am so sick of tired, old act.

Don't go away mad, Bill. Just go away.

[Balderdash]

38. Oops

I thought this thread would be worth while, my bad...

[catgirl]

40. Um, McCain wanted town halls, not debates

I have zero respect for Bill Clinton.

[WinkyDink]

41. I've had to radically revise my opinion of Nader. It looks like Bill is next for me.

[Greg K]

42. So sick of Clinton.

Hey Bill, if Obama loses in November, I'm not voting for Hillary in 2012! Got it?

No way, no how, no Hill!

[obiden]

45. Exactly Clintons need to understand

no way will people return to him/them in 2012 if this thing looks like the hackjob its looking right now. There's a reason Obama and Biden are on the ticket in the first place. We didn't want bush-clinton-bush-clinton, same old same old revisited. America is not about the clintons. We're moving forward not back. Even if Obama were to lose, I'd want somebody fresh in 2012 not the clintons over and over again!

[Liberalynn]

46. You're right, Bill is having a huge Jealousy problem!

This is coming from someone who has always admired Bill's Presidency and intelligence in the past.

When Bill made some gaffes in Hillary's campaign, I was willing to write them as off as missteps. I couldn't understand why he wouldn't want her to be President.

Now she's out and it sure sounds like he is trying to hurt rather than help the Obama campaign as well. In my opinion, its not because he's upset that Hillary lossed, its because its not about him anymore. It seems now that he didn't want Hillary's legend to eclipse his own, and he doesn't want Obama's record to overshadow him either.

I see this side of him clearly, though I was perhaps guilty of denying it in the past. I sensed it was there, just didn't want to admit it.

I think the best course would be for Bill to stay off the news circut and seek medical attention because he looks terrible. I guess holding on to the bitterness can't be good.

He also needs to follow Hillary's example and be gracious enough to let go. He will only hurt her if he keeps this up, and he owes her, Obama and the party enough to just stop talking to the press all together until after the election.

So no defense of Bill from me.

[ladyVet]

52. I never thought I'd say this......

But Bill Clinton needs to shut the fuck up.

[Meshuga]

56. WTF, Bill? BTW, How are the Bill Clinton apologists spinning this one? n/t

[stillcool]

58. He's the only one...

who doesn't see this as a political ploy. What's his stake in this..what's the pay off for pimping for McCain?

[sunnystarr]

59. I wonder if Bill will help McSame pony up the 8 million dollar

loss that the Debate Committee will incur. The debates cost money. I'd be suing McSame's ass for $8 mil if he cancels - it would be breach of contract.

[CampLo]

60. So I'm guessing everyone here

missed his interview on The Daily Show where he said it's best not to ostracize and patronize our opponent because that would push the moderates/independents/undecided voters away from our party? Bill is smart and he is right. What McCain did was an obvious political ploy, but scared? I doubt it.

[polmaven]

64. No...we don't listen to those parts.

See...how could we continue with our Clinton hatefest if we listened to THAT kind of thing?

[dionysus]

67. how much praising of the GOP from Bill will you tolerate before you... oh wait.

nothing the Sweet Little Baby Jesus(tm) ever does would offend you...

[polmaven]

81. LOL!

:rofl:

[Balderdash]

66. Agreed!

McCain is going to lose because the Dems have the high ground.

[tedoll78]

68. My theory:

McCain is attempting to lower expectations of his own upcoming debate performance(s), and Clinton is attempting to counteract McCain's maneuverings.

But no.. let's continue on the hatefest.

[geek tragedy]

83. Bill is telling undecided voters that it was an act of principle.

Screw Bill.

[BlooInBloo]

71. I can't wait to see his damn face WHEN Obama wins, I think you mean.

[Hamlette]

72. We democrats have a tendency to do it with presidents

Carter was not fond of Clinton, Clinton appears to hate Obama with the heat of 1,000 suns.

I'm hoping Obama will break the mold.

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[meow mix]

75. there he goes, proving it once again..

clintons are traitors to thier party.

[LanternWaste]

76. Maybe DU has a new ally with talent on loan from God?

Rush Limbaugh posting on DU?

As many of the responses appear to be very succinct paraphrases of what he's said many, many times in the past on his show.

Maybe DU has a new ally with talent on loan from God?

[BlooInBloo]

77. Clinton is Khan!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGokpLRVWWc

[BigDDem]

78. How dare he speak the truth!!! OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!

Waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaa

[iamthebandfanman]

84. uh, the thing is tho, its not true

mccain wanted town halls, which ARENT debates.

[wowimthere]

79. So Obama beats Hillary and him by default and he's sore but Gingrich beats him

and he heeps praise upon him? You got one stupid guy running for president in McCain and you got another stupid former president in Clinton. They seem like their both in line for worst person in the world. Can you shut Bill up?

[Hippo_Tron]

89. It's called RAISING EXPECTATIONS, Bill Clinton is helping Obama

The idea is to make everyone think your opponent has the advantage going into the debate so that you meet and hopefully exceed expectations.

Part of McCain's stunt may be to lower his own expectations. Although it's certainly going to an extreme to do so.

[polmaven]

91. Oh, another one using that silly

argument called LOGIC! What is UP with that? How could anyone possibly get any good hate-fests going if they've gotta use LOGIC?

[ShortnFiery]

93. Dammit! Stop hogging the bong, will ya?!?

In other words, *buying into* your logic above would require me to alter my consciousness significantly ... I don't think it's possible. ;)

[Hippo_Tron]

96. Managing expectations is just as important as actually doing well in the debate

Bush won in 2000 the debates because people considered anything better than tripping over his own shoelaces on stage to be a good performance for him.

The last thing Obama wants is to walk into the debates with the public expecting McCain to do very poorly. Because even if it's a draw that's still a McCain win with the expectations.

[Drunken Irishman]

101. Stop propping up this bullshit.

This has nothing to do with raising expectations. He's not saying McCain is a great debater, he's saying McCain wouldn't weasel out of a debate, how can you not see this? Stop defending his slime. This isn't him raising expectations, it's him once again defending John Fucking McCain. He has spent every second since the convention defending McCain. From him being a maverick, to his choice of Palin and now to basically saying McCain was right in calling off the goddamn debates.

I can't believe you can't see this.

[Hippo_Tron]

103. I admit after seeing the full comment I'm starting to change my mind

If it's just the comments that the OP made then I think it's managing expectations. But now I'm reading that he thinks it's okay to re-schedule the debate. That's a different story.

[Drunken Irishman]

104. dupe

[Drunken Irishman]

106. My problem with Clinton...

Is not just this comment, but the fact he's been praising McCain ever since the convention, while rarely saying anything good about Obama. It's not that he disses Obama, he just ignores him. He'll talk about how Palin was a good choice for McCain and how she connects with Americans and is tough, but doesn't say anything about Biden. He'll talk about McCain being a maverick and having good intentions and is a candidate ready to lead, but can't muster the words to say Obama would make a better president.

It just gets old.

And sorry if I came off as a little strong, I'm just really angry at Bill right now.

[dee15644]

92. Mike Malloy

just said he believes that Bill Clinton is "damming Obama with faint praise).

[adoraz]

97. SCREW the Clintons, and anyone who says

the Clintons want Obama to win is delusional.

[Overseas]

99. Isn't it sweet how Bill Clinton helps out McBombBomb so often?

Awwww. Guess he just supports their motto, Country Club First !

[democracy1st]

102. he's been running around with papa Bush and praising repubs since he left office

[butterfly77]

105. I approve this message..

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