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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:25 AM
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McCain Debate Cancellation Is Attempt to Stop VP Debate
http://www.opednews.com/articles/McCain-Debate-Cancellation-by-Steven-Leser-080925-206.html
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September 25, 2008

By Steven Leser

John McCain hasn’t done anything to put his country first since he took off his Navy uniform so I was examining the reasoning behind his latest actions to suspend his campaign and bail out of the first Presidential debate.

First, I viewed this as merely a political stunt to portray McCain as a leader, even though it was Obama who first called him about doing a joint statement on the crisis. That was part of McCain’s angle, but there was more to it. The idea of canceling the debate is central to what McCain was trying to do. There is no reason to cancel the debate. McCain and Obama would be in the way on Capital Hill and the congresspeople and senators involved in negotiating any bailout settlement don’t want them there. As of shortly after midnight on Thursday morning, Rep. Barney Frank announced that there was a deal in place that would create new provisions that would garner enough votes to send to the President to sign so there is now no need for McCain or Obama to go to Washington DC. Rep. Frank and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid have both said that they believe McCain’s actions are all about saving his failing campaign.

Even if they were able to be effective in the negotiations or rounding up votes, both Obama and McCain can do plenty of work into the evening on Thursday and then Friday during the day and then fly to Mississippi in plenty of time for the 9pm debate so none of McCain’s suggestions about why that debate should not happen make sense. Somehow, strategically, the stoppage of this debate is key to McCain’s plans. Then, I saw this article in the Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/24/mccain-camp-wants-to-post_n_129079.html reporting that CNN says the McCain campaign “wants to postpone the first VP debate”.

That last sentence is not completely accurate. It turns out that what the McCain campaign is really proposing is that the postponed first Presidential debate instead happen in the only VP debate’s slot. So, we would have three Presidential debates as originally planned except for the timing of the first, and then we would have to reschedule the Vice Presidential debate.

There it is.

Of course, the Vice Presidential debate would never be rescheduled. Obama, Biden, and everyone else except McCain & Palin would do their best to try to reschedule, but the McCain/Palin campaign would find reasons why each date and each venue were not workable. There isn’t much time left until election day, and McCain is hoping to run out the clock and prevent the catastrophe (for McCain) that would be a Biden-Palin debate.

McCain may very well lose the election anyway, but if Biden takes apart Palin in the Vice Presidential debate as is almost certain to happen, McCain will lose by a landslide. People might counter this suggestion by saying the VP pick doesn’t affect people’s vote much. To those people I would say that this is a special circumstance because of how bad Palin’s performance is likely to be. Even more than it is already, McCain’s pick of Palin will be seen as a cynical choice to try win the election at the cost of having a competent running mate and at the cost of potentially putting a grossly incompetent person in the White House if something should happen to McCain. No one would have any confidence in McCain’s judgment after the Vice Presidential debate.

Everything McCain has done for the last 30 years has been an attempt to win the White House. The McCain-Feingold bill was an attempt to repair his reputation for a White Houser run after the Keating-Five scandal. In 2000 he went back on the idea that the Confederate Flag was a racist emblem in order to win the south. Why would an Arizona Senator worry about this if not to win the south in a White House run? After Bush’s election, he became Bush’s poodle to try to gain enough GOP support for his run in 2008. He went back on an immigration reform bill that would include a path to citizenship in order to appease his base so he would get the GOP nomination. He selected Palin to try to get elected, eschewing more competent choices. Everything is an angle with McCain, it’s never about what is right and what is good for the country. McCain has sold out so often and for so long I wonder if he even knows what is right and good anymore.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:27 AM
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1. There's only a small window for these debates.
This is so ridiculously transparent. There never was any intention of the McCain to hold the VP debate. Palin was never going to be ready to debate Joe Biden.

This is just laughably obvious.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 07:52 AM
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2. I think it is obvious, is anyone else talking about it?
When I say "anyone" I mean anyone in the MSM?
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DangerousRhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:06 AM
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10. It really is. He's ridiculous...
...not to mention transparent. Why isn't anyone else talking about this on TV? Man, do I ever hate the media sometimes. They get it right occasionally, but wow, this is SO obvious. :mad:
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:29 AM
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14. It's starting now, check out what Bob Schieffer just said on
CBS
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:04 AM
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3. Obama/Biden need to make sure the VP goes forward
Palin is the only thing that has pumped life into the McCain campaign. The VP debate would destroy any excitement people have for Palin. McCain will continue looking for anything to get her our of it. We just can't have that. I've been looking forward to the VP debate. It could be the most interesting thing on TV this fall :)
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:31 AM
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6. I agree. Assuming it happens...
I'm waiting to hear Palin say

"I'll try to find ya some an' bring 'em to ya!"

in response to a question in the debate.
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:07 AM
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4. Biden and Obama can't budge on this.
Palin should be there to debate Biden even if Joe has to lure her there with a herd of moose.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:13 AM
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5. ... and an offer of free buckshot
LOL.
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GreenEyedLefty Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:32 AM
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7. DH and at least one of my IRL Dem buddies think so...
...that this attempt at a delay is really an attempt to cancel the VP debate.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:04 AM
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8. Who is DH?
Just curious. ;-)
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GreenEyedLefty Donating Member (708 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:04 AM
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9. Dear Husband. :)
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:18 AM
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12. I gotta remember that one.
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 09:19 AM by stevenleser
:rofl:
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:15 AM
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11. Agreed.
Let's hope they don't get away with it.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:03 AM
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13. FINALLY, the MSM is getting it. Bob Scheiffer on CBS connects the dots
says that Palin is not ready and McCain wants a delay in the VP Debate.
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