Bill Clinton: "McCain asked to postpone debate in good faith, and McCain had

[secondwind]

asked for town hall meetings over the summer, and Obama didn't comply."

Is this true? I just clicked over to Faux News, and that is what they were saying.

wow.

[renate]

1. Excuse me... "comply"?

Who died and made John McCain Obama's boss?

[my2sense]

10. Exactly - the wording of this suggest

that McCain is running shyt.

[bunkerbuster1]

91. Well, They Report, We Comply!

[BlooInBloo]

29. Yup....

Hah - I wonder if there's someone on DU named "Cordate"!

:rofl:

[SeattleGirl]

114. My first thought too.

Comply???

[stray cat]

2. OK no town hall meetings and no debates if McCain is afraid to debate

[BklynChick]

3. Bill Clinton is a joke and needs to go far, far away until Nov. 4.

[Lilith Velkor]

73. If he did, you all would be caterwauling about how his silence hurts Obama

and you bloody well know it.

[WinkyDink]

77. Well, let's give it a try, shall we?

[DevonRex]

90. That made me smile. Thanks. nt

[Lilith Velkor]

102. I'm all for it.

[Bonn1997]

81. And they'd be right...

Bill shouldn't be silent but he also shouldn't be neutral. He should be actively fighting for Senator Obama.

[Lilith Velkor]

87. Yeah, because Obama's too weak to fight his own battles

Pretty racist assumption, when you think about it.

[DevonRex]

92. This is OUR battle. It is the battle of EVERY democrat. nt

[Chloroplast]

95. YOU brought up racism; stop projecting your personal feelings on Clinton.

I'd expect better but seeing as I remember some of your posts from the past, it makes sense that you would look for monsters where none exist.

[DevonRex]

97. That's the new tactic. Inject racism into everything.

I'm getting pretty sick of it. But that appears to be all they have left.

[Lilith Velkor]

104. OK, so it's not racist to assume our candidate is so weak that he needs Bill's help

Got it.

[Bonn1997]

99. You're right; I want Bill to support Barrack because I'm racist

You figured me out

[Oak2004]

124. "Democrat' is the new black ;) n/t

[Arugula Latte]

107. Silence is better than this undermining shit he's been pulling.

I say give it a try. I'd be happy to pitch in for duct tape for his big yap.

[endthewar]

130. Best to stay silent and have people think you're a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

Time for Bill to hush.

[NC_Nurse]

4. Who's side is Bill on? STFU, Big Dog!

[dysfunctional press]

31. he's got his eys on the prize- 2012. and hillary as the re-incarnation of FDR.

nt

[NC_Nurse]

48. No shit. What a jerk.

[TwilightGardener]

5. Good faith? By announcing it to the media first instead of trying to negotiate

between the campaigns? And cheesy McCain-pushed "town halls" are the equivalent now of official moderated Presidential debates? Go fuck yourself, Bill, you bastard. You are a worthless POS.

[cloudythescribbler]

42. Clinton as prez stabbed progressive politics in the back BIGTIME -- tho he also deserves credit ...

for managing the greatest economic boom in US history, and balancing the budget, which most (including me) previously thought as a practical political matter impossible.

Clinton was a gift to conservatives, plus all they do is complain about it, when it is progressives who should be doing the complaining. (Note also how weak the Clinton Administration's record was on the environment).

[TwilightGardener]

44. Clintons and the GOP were never enemies--they wink at each other all the time.

They share a common enemy, though, and that is a united, strong, progressive Democratic party with someone other than a Clinton at the helm--Bill will fight that until the day he dies.

[rateyes]

6. I was giving him slack, but if he said that...

then he needs to go away. Saying nothing is better than saying that.

:banghead:

[LibraLiz1973]

7. I say again. I normally support Clinton. He's losing me, and fast.

[Maureen1322]

69. Me too.

[Maureen1322]

72. delete

[goclark]

127. Me too

[Maureen1322]

70. sorry, dupe.

[TooRaLoo]

109. Me too. nt

[WI_DEM]

More example of Bill trying to undermine Obama and stick up for McCain.

[WeDidIt]

8. Well, we all know who Bill wants to win this year

My how the mighty have fallen.

[Lex]

55. Utter BS

[Changenow]

84. Have you heard Bill lately?

He all but endorses McCain. In an interview today he said the only reason to vote Obama is that he is a Democrat, but he really admires McLiar.

Bill isn't subtle, he wants McCain so Hillary can have a shot again.

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[secondwind]

21. sorry, but I am new here. How can I have a link to a statement made by Faux News?

I was as shocked as you to hear what they said about Clinton.

[dysfunctional press]

32. would you believe ABC news, from someone with a higher post count...?

:shrug:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bill-clinton-do.html

[Lerkfish]

33. geez, calm down, try some decaf next time.

I've asked for context or a transcript. That's all you need to do. You don't have to slander people without proof.

[BrainStorm]

11. McCain did ask for town hall meetings because they are his best format

Obama knew that and wisely declined.

[iceman66]

34. Let's be clear

Obama was open to the proposal, but eventually declined because McCain refused to negotiate on the matter.

Also, McCain wanted 12 debates. While this may sound like a good thing, it would really serve to water down the impact of the debates as only the most dedicated political junkies could be expected to watch them all, and most of these people are not undecided.

[morillon]

143. I agree -- it would've watered things down.

Plus, the only way McCain could draw a big crowd would be to piggyback on Obama's popularity. You know the guy's gotta be jealous as all hell.

[cap]

12. fox is deliberately taking a lot of Clinton's remarks out of context

NO SURPRISE

[Lerkfish]

15. what is the context, then?

that's what I'm trying to determine

[onenote]

63. you can watch/hear Clinton's interview here:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bill-clinton-do.html

[DevonRex]

93. The link has been posted several times. The only thing that

Fox said that wasn't accurate was the word "comply." But Bill pretty much said that on his own, without using that actual word.

[Lerkfish]

13. I need a good link before I believe that, but if one is forthcoming

and he said what you relate, I don't think we need Bill Clinton "helping" us at all.

[onenote]

64. link

I suggest you listen to the entire interview and not rely on the accompanying story alone.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bill-clinton-do.html

[Lerkfish]

78. for some reason the link crashed my browser here at work

I'll have to check it out when I get home tonight.

[tandot]

14. Link? Transcript?

:shrug:

[secondwind]

18. it was on Faux News......that is all I saw

[polmaven]

45. Faux!!!! Oh, well, then...

What better source could we ask for? :shrug:

[my2sense]

16. Who is Clinton in the tank for? Do you have a link for this?

[Justyce]

17. Psssst: Don't believe anything you hear on FOX. nt

[BeyondGeography]

19. Anyone else notice how Bill's defenders are hiding today?

Hello out there, Bill's apologists. :hi:

[NYC_SKP]

27. More than one have come over, stepped into the light.

To the rest, come on in, the water's fine!

[Rockholm]

35. I have neither defended or crucified Clinton.......

Until today....until now. I saw him on the Today Show and, I was appalled. Sick, actually. I have seen many posts about what a jerk Bill Clinton has been and his "non-support support" for Obama. I had not seen him speak about the election recently until this morning. Jesus, WTF. Being a Libra, I could say that Bill Clinton was being "presidential" and trying to stay above the fray. But...I really do not think so. There were a couple of instances where he could have really made Obama look good and slam McCain in the process, without appearing snarky. I believe Bill is walking a fine line and is not trying to be part of the election, but is becoming so by saying the crap he is.

[BeyondGeography]

54. Fellow Libra here...I only just made up my mind about his utter hopelessness re. this election

Someone said something very perceptive on another blog about Bill and this election: Normally the words just flow from him, whatever the topic, but ask him about this particular election, McCain and Palin and he gets verrrrrrrry careful in his wording. It's like he's tippy-toeing around the language trying to come up with just the right triangulatory phrase every time he opens his mouth. Once I read that, it became transparent as hell to me how tortured he is at the thought of losing his place in Democratic Party history before he gets a chance to play the power game again with Hillary as president. It's incredibly fucked up.

[Rockholm]

119. You are so right!

I couldn't put my finger on it, but you nailed it. Bill has the greatest sense of gab and when he talks about McSame, he stumbles and stutters. He is treading lightly.

[seabeyond]

39. leave him AAAALLLLLLOOOOOONE, they say. pretend bill isnt fucking obama

lets stick head in fuckin sand. we want unite.

they ought to get memo to bill about uniting, with his own fuckin party. not the other side

[Lilith Velkor]

113. Poor, weak, helpless little Obama...

If you all had any confidence in him, you wouldn't be freaking out like this.

[Raineyb]

138. You bloody well know that's not the point

People have the right to tell BC to either enthusiastically endorse the Democratic candidate or STFU in public about the election.

The depths to which you'll go to make excuses for Former President Clinton apparently knows no bounds.

Regards

[Lilith Velkor]

146. That's exactly the point. You wouldn't flame me if it weren't.

You all are scared that your moronic freeper chant (Clinton's fault! Clinton's fault!) will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Frankly, so am I. I used to hate on both Clintons as much as anybody here, but it's counterproductive when there's an election to win.

[windbreeze]

153. Now that's what I call supporting the Democrat Nominee...

calling him poor, weak, and helpless...and intimating that we have no confidence in him..YOU ARE WRONG....we have all the confidence in the world in Obama, but it's become very obvious that Bill can't stand not being #1...He's not a good supporting actor, because he needs the accolades for himself...

Seems to me he's acting out on his need for self importance and gratification.....irregardless of how his actions are perceived.....he needs to be quiet, IF he can't campaign positively for our DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE....we all know he's been around long enough to know EXACTLY what he's doing...shame on him, that other Democrats feel they have to defend or try to explain exactly what he meant...

As he continues to cheer the opposition along every time he opens his mouth, it makes it very hard for some of us to feel very good about him(kinda reminds me of Lieberman and Zell Miller)...Instead, if he acted a little different, he could have been seen as a real hero for Democrats and someone to admire...could have, though, means past tense..instead, I think he's done damage he may regret...wb

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[Occam Bandage]

23. How about ABC?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bill-clinton-do.html

[thewiseguy]

26. I saw it too but did not want to post it.

You may want to apologize to the poster who started this thread.

According to Faux he allegedly made those comments at his initiative forum?

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[thewiseguy]

43. The poster was quoting Faux News

I saw the same thing on Faux News.

[secondwind]

30. I just posted a reply to you.............no need to get all riled up. I am new here

and ALL OF US were low posters at one time or another.

Grow up. I am over 60. My daughter has been a DUer for years, but I just started because I wanted to get more of my information from DU, than from regular news stations.

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[secondwind]

50. I will respect you if you will respect me and not call me stupid. That makes you sound sort of

like an ass.

:think:

[iamthebandfanman]

38. u got served. n/t

[bunnies]

46. wow. what an asshole thing to say.

Disruptors indeed. :eyes:

[shrike]

22. Fox has taken Bill's words out of context before

Although I'm not a Hillary supporter, and Bill has pissed me off in recent months, I'm trying to remember that this IS Fox news.

[bkcc]

24. So they actually had a clip of Clinton saying this?

If that is the case, I'd love to see the link & clip.

[uponit7771]

25. LINK TO VIDEO!! Fuck off Bill Clinton!!

[dysfunctional press]

28. They see a chance for Hillary to be the next FDR in 2012...

all it would take would be the disasterous results that a McHoover administration would give us to open the door for her.

[Beacool]

36. Another "let's attack Bill Clinton" thread.............

Goody, it feels sooooo nice to come to this blog and see people trashing the Clintons.

:puke:

[HeraldSquare212]

40. To be fair, the OP is only "trashing, " as you call it, Bill.

[Beacool]

47. So what?

Both Clintons have been trashed here far more than at the RW sites in the past year. Ditto for the other LW blogs. It only serves to rub old wounds raw and anger anew people who were trying to get over the primary.

[uponit7771]

49. Cause he doesn't deserve it this time!?!? Thx

[Beacool]

53. No, he doesn't.

It's not his job to trash McCain. Bill is a former president and acting like a statesman.

[frylock]

58. tell that jimmy carter..

a former president who tells it like it is. clinton is an idiot.

[Beacool]

60. Oh yeah, Jimmy Carter.

The least successful Democratic president in many a decade. Decent man, lousy president.

[frylock]

62. and more of a statesman than your precious bill clinton could ever dream of being..

as someone posted earlier, get this man an intern so he has something to do.

[Beacool]

115. Freeper much?

:eyes:

[frylock]

156. asshole much?

[Virginia Dare]

65. I wonder what he'd be doing if it was his wife running against McCain?..n/t

[Virginia Dare]

66. He deserves to get trashed for this..

there is no good reason for him to go around defending McCain at Obama's expense. He needs to defend his party's nominee.

[Arugula Latte]

103. Clinton is the one fucking attacking our party!

Whose side are you on? Clintons first over everything else, apparently, including the interests of defeating Republicans in the election. Jesus!

[Beacool]

117. Keep attacking the Clintons

and you all will tick off plenty of Democrats who are still not too happy with the choice of nominee. Honey will go a long way.....

[Arugula Latte]

118. They're "not too happy," huh?

Well, we've got a fabulous nominee, the best of the bunch that started by far (and I say that as someone who wanted Edwards for awhile). If "they're" not "happy" that says more about them than it does about Obama.

[FKA MNChimpH8R]

51. "Good faith? GOOD FAITH??"

To apply the latest useful Freeperism, F plus minus, Bill.

Why don't you follow Hillary and stop apologizing for McChicken?

[DevonRex]

88. So far it looks like Bill has a different agenda from Hillary. And

that winds up not helping Hillary at all, either, much less Barack Obama.

Makes me wonder if the "tag team" scenario is true. Doesn't he know that everything he does reflects on Hillary? He most certainly knows that everything he does impacts the election and it is obvious that he is deliberately not helping at the very least.

[zulchzulu]

52. Bill just stepped OVER THE LINE if that's really what he said

He is blatently using Republican talking points if that is what he said.

Since when are candidates supposed to stop their campaigns and do town hall meetings with the other candidate?

[ecstatic]

56. He also went out of his way to emphasize "good SPEECH" this morning

did anyone catch that.

[EC]

57. Clinton never said this

last night Hannity was even saying Obama refused to debate...so grain of salt...

[Phx_Dem]

68. Yes he did.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bill-clinton-do.html

ABC News' Nitya Venkataraman Reports: Former President Bill Clinton defended Sen. John McCain's request to delay the first presidential debate, saying McCain did it in "good faith" and pushed organizers to reserve time for economy talk during the debate if the Friday plans move forward.

Appearing on Good Morning America Thursday, Clinton told ABC News' Chris Cuomo that McCain's push to postpone the debate would only be a good political move if both candidates agreed. McCain announced on Wednesday that he would "suspend" his presidential campaign to come to Washington to help negotiate a financial bailout bill

"We know he didn't do it because he's afraid because Sen. McCain wanted more debates," Clinton said, adding that he was "encouraged" by the joint statement from McCain and Sen. Barack Obama.

"You can put it off a few days the problem is it's hard to reschedule those things," Clinton said,"I presume he did that in good faith since I know he wanted -- I remember he asked for more debates to go all around the countryand so I don't think we ought to overly parse that."

[EC]

108. He qualified it - makes it completely different

Clinton said,"I presume he did that in good faith since I know he wanted -- I remember he asked for more debates to go all around the country and so I don't think we ought to overly parse that."


Context

[Phx_Dem]

112. He didn't qualify shit. He simply spouted McCain's talking

points when he said "he asked for more debates to go all around the country." He might as well have added "but mean old Barack refused!!!" :cry:

Nice try.

[DefenseLawyer]

71. Even Hannity?

Oh well if Hannity was saying it, obviously we can't fault Clinton for repeating what even Hannity was saying. :crazy:

[Essene]

59. to all you clinton defenders... please go eat crow :-(

i still respect the man's mind, but he's really really really really hurting the democrats and america.

[Beacool]

61. Nope.

I'll defend either Clinton from the usual haters on the LW blogs.

[Lerkfish]

80. "LW blogs"

Hmmmm.

[Forkboy]

89. LOL...says it all, doesn't it?

:crazy:

[Chloroplast]

98. Ah, come on. We know which ones have hidden agendas.

They foam at the fingertip to the point that they eventually slip up; saboteurs are rarely as smart as they think they are.

[Beacool]

116. Yep,

some of us are moderates.

[Beausoir]

136. NO.

You'll be singing a different tune when President Clinton stumps for Obama next week.

You'll just LOOOOOOVE him then.

So fucking infantile and predictable are you Clinton haters.

[Phx_Dem]

67. Bill Clinton is an asshole

who thinks it would be just fine if John McCain and the Moosehunter win the election.

Laura Bush: "Sarah Palin has no foreign policy experience."

Bill Clinton: "Sarah Palin is gutsy and real."

Bill Clinton: "I think either candidate would be great."

Bill Clinton: "We know he (McCain) didn't do it (request to postpone debate) because he's afraid because Sen. McCain wanted more debates." Hmmm. That sounds like a McCain talking point about town hall meetings.


Hard to tell who is the Democrat and who is the Republican.

[Sodan]

74. Get a GRIP!

Imagine you were Joe Sixpack...
Not into politics at all.
But everytime Bill comes on - you're reminded of how much better off you were during his administration.
Bet you don't listen to all this tactic stuff - and just hear him say "I am for Obama!".

That's it. Everytime he's on - votes for Obama!!

Bill is not talking to YOU - he's talking to the Republicans who voted for him!

[firedupdem]

75. I normally avoid the Clinton stuff but he's pissing me off.....

I can tell you this as a black person......we fucking lined up early in the morning to vote for that fucker and we were enthusiastic about voting for him and defending him at all costs! Now that he has done this...he's screwing himself out of the black vote for Hillary. Keep it up Bill....you're fucking your wife over with this shit! You better quit talking stupid and show some more respect for the Democratic Nominee! McCain has his own supporters..you don't need to keep talking him up every time you are on television!

[WinkyDink]

76. "COMPLY"??!! Okay, I'm ABOUT at the end of my TETHER here, vis-a-vis Bill Clinton.

[Basement Beat]

79. This is getting annoying.

He seems to go out of his way to praise McCain....why is that?

[bridgit]

82. So What? To not understand the parliamentaries of government is to admit...

the rabble has no clue. Half of DC (even if they don't believe it) still calls the other half "my friend". Rumsfeld's letterhead very likely still contains, "From the Desk of The Right Honorable". This stuff has just been churning away, roiling over & over since Adams became star struck in Europe. The daily, on & on nature of mis-placed critique as to whether Bill Clinton says this or says that is a diversion. The other diversion is that McCain is good anywhere but in a town-hall setting, because he isn't. That's why he canceled the debate, or thinks he did. In addition...Obama had no obligation to "comply" beneath the withering tongue of John Sydney McCain III = diversion #3,4,5 and counting

Maybe you're just feeling the outrage FOXnews wants you to feel...I never go there myself :shrug:

[LiberalAndProud]

83. parse ... he said parse

Is this psyops or what?

remember he asked for more debates to go all around the country and so I don't think we ought to overly parse that."

[DevonRex]

85. Just read the transcript from the link above. I don't like it one bit.

When Bill talks to LW audiences, like The Daily Show, he's not bad. When he talks to audiences that are more mixed, like The View and Letterman and now ABC, he takes up for John McCain.

I now smell a rat.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

86. Pulling a Lieberman, eh?

Well it's not like we didn't see it coming.

[Raschel]

94. So he asked for town meetings

does that mean he would have done them if Obama had accepted? This is more damage control from the McCain campaign because McCain's campaign suspension backfired and everyone thinks McCain's a coward.

Why is Clinton doing damage control for McCain?

[DevonRex]

96. I agree. Why is Bill doing McCain's spinning? Disgusting. nt

[Catherine Vincent]

100. Oh goody!

A thread like this one brings out the usual Clinton trashing suspects. Instead of calling you guys Clinton-haters, I'll call you Clinton-trashers.

[Raschel]

101. Oh grow up

I'm asking a question, if you can't answer it don't Sarah-Palin me with a junior high response.

[TooRaLoo]

110. OMG!

BEST. VERB. EVER!

[Arugula Latte]

106. Is there nothing the Clintons can do or say that's allowed to be criticized by the Clinton fanatics?

Jesus Christ. I'm so sick of some people defending all their mealy-mouthed shit that's undermining our chances of taking back the country from the fascists.

[moriah]

135. Actually I thought it was rather clever.

"Oh, he's not doing it because he's afraid...."

Obama wanted more debates than the 3 we're doing too.

No, he's NOT afraid. No, never! Just cowering in his fucking boots which are now wet with urine, not from incontinence, but just from his sheer terror of trying to debate Obama 1-on-1 on the issue that SHOULD be his best talking point...

[weezie1317]

105. I'm losing all good will and respect for Bill -- AGAIN! He just can't bring himself to support us.

[krkaufman]

111. Not good. This is not "refusing to attack McCain"... it is echoing false Right Wing talking points.

Looking forward to seeing more on this. Clinton really needs to STFU if this is what he calls "supporting Obama."

Though Bill's comments can't necessarily be attributed to his trying to spike Obama's chances; Bill's supporting Obama about as productively as he supported Hillary during the primaries. I think both Hillary and Barack have mixed feelings about the net benefits of Bill's "support."

[ObamaKerryDem]

120. Oh, Bill, Shut the Fuck Up! Seriously..

I'm sorry, but his motives are getting a little too obvious for my liking. I was encouraged by his convention speech but he's quickly soiling any good he might've done in that by all the asskissing he's been doing of McSame/Failin'. WTF is wrong with him??! :grr:

[dudewheresmycountry]

121. Bill Clinton does it again

takes the side of John McCain, Of course John McCain does nothing in good faith and Bill Clinton very well knows this.

[Vattel]

122. Either you are a liar or you are a dupe.

He didn't say that Obama didn't "comply." Did Fox News lie and claim that he said this? I don't know because you didn't provide a link. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You merely quoted a lie and got the Clinton-haters at DU all worked up.

[pirate_satellite]

123. You've gone too far, Bill

I voted for Hillary in the primary and as someone who quite liked Bill Clinton as our President, have given him the benefit of the doubt at every turn in this long campaign when he's been accused of holding nefarious motives. But now he's gone too far. There can be no doubt that this statement was calculated to bolster McCain at the precise moment when the Republican appears to be teetering on the brink of collapse. In many of the earlier episodes with Clinton you could reasonably believe that it was simply a case of sticking a microphone in his face seven days a week until he said something provocative. With this statement, though, he has deliberately intervened on McCain's behalf at a moment that might well be the fulcrum on which the entire contest is decided. And Bill Clinton is far too sophisticated a politician to not recognize the moment we are in -- McCain dropping in the polls, Palin looking shakier by the minute, the bizarre and desperate "suspension" of his campaign by the Republican -- and Bill steps in and says, essentially, "hey, let's reset the score to zero and let these guys settle it in a few weeks when all this has died down." You don't have to be a math whiz to put that two and two together.

The only thing more disgusting than Bill Clinton's not-so-subtle machinations are the supposed Hillary supporters on here who are shrieking in his defense in this thread. Have people been unfair and harsh to the Clintons on this forum over the past few months? Absolutely. Does that justify Bill Clinton sticking knives in Obama's back in this most cowardly fashion? ABSOLUTELY NOT. I doubt any of the "Clinton Supporters" in this thread are anything but Freepers with a dynamic IP address. They'll go scurrying back under the woodwork the minute the lights come back on... which by current estimates should be happening very, very soon.

[Arugula Latte]

125. Good first post! Welcome to DU!

:hi: :toast:

[pirate_satellite]

129. Thanks mate (nt)

[Vattel]

126. He didn't say that Obama didn't "comply"

Isn't that worth pointing out?

[pirate_satellite]

128. In answer to your question:

Not really. I mean, I'm pleased if he didn't say "comply", but my opinion in no way hinges on whether or not he used that word. It's the strategic value -- to the GOP -- of his defense of postponing the debate (in any language) that is so objectionable.

[Vattel]

132. Fair enough

but do you really think that McCain postponed the deabte because he was afraid to debate Obama? I doubt it. I suspect that the whole "Let's suspend the campaign thing" was motivated by the desire to make himself look like he is willing to put the needs of the country above politics. Clinton was probably only saying what is true. I do agree that his tepid support of Obama is a moral failure on his part. That being said, posts like this one--misquoting Clinton in the subject line instead of checking to see what he actually said--only add unnecessary fuel to the fire of bad feelings between HRC and Obama supporters.

[pirate_satellite]

134. I don't think he was afraid...

...to debate Obama. But when Clinton claims that McCain wanted to postpone the debate "in good faith" -- I'd say its anything but. I think McCain's advisors sensed the souring climate for both McCain and his running mate, and grabbed an opportunity to exploit the financial crisis for a cheap stunt that would distract everyone for a week or so, hopefully allowing the GOP time to regain its balance. (Being able to postpone the VP debate as a side effect: pure gold!).

I mean, maybe McCain is simply unable to multi-task, but if that's the case it's pretty troubling for a Presidential candidate. As Obama said (paraphrasing), "Part of being President is dealing with more than one thing at a time." So for me, Clinton's primary effect is to distract from that serious question: what's wrong with McCain that when it hits the fan he starts calling time-outs? (See pt. I, the GOP convention and the hurricane..).

I agree the original quote should have been accurate especially in regard to using a word like "comply" with all that suggests.

[moriah]

139. He didn't.

""Well, I don't .... I I, think only if they both agree. I mean, we know he didn't do it because he was afraid, because Senator McCain wanted more debates. But you know, you can have the debate and the guys can say look, this is a national security issue so we'll let them talk about this for a third or a half of the time. Or you could put it off a few days, but the problem is it's hard to reschedule these things."

"But ... I think that ... I was encouraged that issued that joint statement and said let's don't ... analyze everybody's motives and everything on this, let's just deal with it and deal with it promptly, so I, I presume he did that in good faith, since I know he wanted, I remember he asked for more debates to go all around the country, and so .... I don't think we ought to .. overly parse that, let's just deal with this issue."

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I thought it was rather cleverly done. Both Obama and McCain wanted more debates.

"We *know* he didn't do it because he's afraid...."

"I, I *presume* he did that in good faith...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b92P5mBkPSk

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In case this needs more clarification... it's common to insinuate doubt by pretending to "know" or "presume" something.

[Hepburn]

131. Gawd, I NEVER thought I would say this, but here it goes:

FUCK YOU, BILL CLINTON!

Stop being a fucking sore loser. She lost, OK? Now get on the Obama bandwagon or STFU!

:grr:

[Beausoir]

149. LOL! You have been freeper-esque in your Clinton hatred for many months.

You are a Clinton cock-sniffa.

You just can't stop thinking about Clinton's pecker.

You don't fool anyone but yourself.


With all of the problems facing this country....you CHOOSE to focus on Bill Clinton.

Get the fuck out of MY Democratic party.

[Beausoir]

133. This thread reads like Free Republic. Grow the fuck up.

[SoonerPride]

140. I'm sorry you're so disappointed with Bill Clinton

We all are

[moriah]

142. I'm sorry you can't read what was said and see the beauty in it.

"I *know* he didn't do it because he's afraid....."

"I, I *presume* he did it in good faith...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b92P5mBkPSk

Video for those who read headlines and froth at the mouth, go to the source.

[Beausoir]

144. Grow up. Seriously.

[anonymous171]

137. Can Hillary please buy him a one-way ticket to Easter Island or something?

[moriah]

141. Again, a repost of what he ACTUALLY said... with video....

""Well, I don't .... I I, think only if they both agree. I mean, we know he didn't do it because he was afraid, because Senator McCain wanted more debates. But you know, you can have the debate and the guys can say look, this is a national security issue so we'll let them talk about this for a third or a half of the time. Or you could put it off a few days, but the problem is it's hard to reschedule these things."

"But ... I think that ... I was encouraged that issued that joint statement and said let's don't ... analyze everybody's motives and everything on this, let's just deal with it and deal with it promptly, so I, I presume he did that in good faith, since I know he wanted, I remember he asked for more debates to go all around the country, and so .... I don't think we ought to .. overly parse that, let's just deal with this issue."

----------

I thought it was rather cleverly done. Both Obama and McCain wanted more debates.

"We *know* he didn't do it because he's afraid...."

"I, I *presume* he did that in good faith...."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b92P5mBkPSk

--------

In case this needs more clarification... it's common to insinuate doubt by pretending to "know" or "presume" something.

[Catherine Vincent]

145. It doesn't matter.

The Clinton-hating brigade needs this thread to relieve themselves. Like dogs peeing behind a bush.

[Phx_Dem]

147. Happy now, Bill? You fucking piece of shit.

McCain made a disasterous (for the country) decision to inject his ignorant-about-economics-ass into this bailout plan, and you fucking publicly supported him. You're as big a piece of shit as McCain is.

[Name removed]

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[TexasObserver]

150. Bubba will wear this McCain Albatross from now on.

You earned it, BILL, wear it!!

[AtomicKitten]

151. Bill Clinton is now officially McBush's wingman.

[keroro gunsou]

152. to be honest

imo, delaying the debates to help the economy get it's shit together is not a bad idea. delay, not delete, the debates. there are more important things on all of our plates than a talking points pissing match.

[SoonerPride]

154. No there aren't.

[SIMPLYB1980]

155. LoL! The trolls don't have much to be happy for today do they?

Everybody quick hate on Clinton it's all we got left. Pathetic.