Clinton defends McCain's request to delay the first presidential debate

[Lucky 13]

You have got to be KIDDING me. What a fucking asshole.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/bill-clinton-do.html

{Snip}
"We know he didn't do it because he's afraid because Sen. McCain wanted more debates," Clinton said, adding that he was "encouraged" by the joint statement from McCain and Sen. Barack Obama.

"You can put it off a few days the problem is it's hard to reschedule those things," Clinton said, "I presume he did that in good faith since I know he wanted -- I remember he asked for more debates to go all around the country and so I don't think we ought to overly parse that."

If the debate moves forward as planned for Friday night, Clinton says "they should be able to talk about this some of the debate because it is a security issue."

The former president thought Bush's address Wednesday night on the economic crisis had a "positive reaction".
{Snip}

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. I'm reminded of Joe Lieberman.

When's he going to go out and start stumping for McCain?

[cali]

6. he more or less is stumping for McCain every time he sabotages Obama

and in this case, flat out tells a slimy lie.jk

[joshcryer]

11. He lied that McCain wanted a series of town hall debates?

That's a lie?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. That's a John McCain talking point.

What's Clinton going to bring up next? Wright and Ayers?

[cali]

20. You really are far gone into Apologialand. That is NOT what bill said.

"We know he didn't do it because he's afraid because Sen. McCain wanted more debates," Clinton said,

Any mention of townhall in there? No. And McCain didn't ask for debates. He wanted joint townhall appearances. Different critter all together.

[joshcryer]

23. Um, you know damn well that's what Clinton is talking about.

Don't be obtuse.

[cali]

32. Don't be ridiculous. Bill knows damn well the importance of being precise

but please do continue being a complete apologist for Bill. Wouldn't expect anything else.

[JuniperLea]

78. What is ridiculous is that Clinton is clearly being a "concern troll"

I would think this couldn't possibly fly over the heads of so many. I guess I'm wrong.

[dionysus]

43. how much of clinton praising the GOP will you tolerate before... oh wait.

nothing the Sweet Little Baby Jesus(tm) could do would ever offend you...

[1Hippiechick]

48. My friend, your signature line says it all - I LOVE it - truer words were never spoken, imo. n/t

[dionysus]

49. thanks!

I actually came up with it myself! :)

[hezekkia]

36. BILL CLIEBERMAN

n/t

[greguganus]

2. It's time to throw Bill under the bus. n/t

[Ferret Annica]

95. That's outragious...

...I mean, what do you have against that poor bus?

[azmouse]

3. Did anyone notice that Obama is the candidate this year?

Just sayin'....

[Lucky 13]

4. Yeah I sure as fuck did. Obviously Bill doesn't.

He avoids using Obama's name whenever possible and he goes on the national TV circuit defending McCain.

I'm sorry, but I have a HUGE problem with this.

[azmouse]

16. Oh believe me... I'm in agreement.

I'm sick of the Clintons. Their 15 minutes were up a long time ago.

[Labors of Hercules]

5. What the fuck is he doing?

What the fuck? What the fucking HELL is he doing? I don't get it.

[ClarkUSA]

15. Two words --> Hillary 2012

Isn't it obvious?

[hedgehog]

19. I think he's doing more harm to Hillary than he is to Obama.

My impression is that she is out there working for a Democratic victory.

[ClarkUSA]

79. Hillary + Bill = Plausible Deniability for Hillary 2012

They know exactly what they're doing.

[1Hippiechick]

52. Yep. n/t

[1Hippiechick]

50. I have a theory.

I think the Clintons WANT McCain to win b/c Hillary will have a better shot in 4 years than she would if Obama wins. Same ol' same ol'.....

[gateley]

7. This was a nice touch:

"I presume he did that in good faith since I know he wanted -- I remember he asked for more debates to go all around the country and so I don't think we ought to overly parse that."

:eyes:

Hopefully, it's just us who listen to Bill Clinton and again, hopefully, he doesn't really influence anybody. His behavior of late baffles me. It's as though he's a hired pundit, and has forgotten he has the (D) behind his name. :shrug:

[DevonRex]

24. There are WAY too many instances of Bill defending McCain now.

Why is he doing this now, when Obama has taken a decided lead? I am no longer just suspicious of Bill's motives. There is enough evidence now that shows he wants to help McCain instead of Obama. His own actions have damned him.

[JuniperLea]

80. I would have thought you'd recognize a "concern troll" by now!

I guess I'm wrong!


:rofl:

[dionysus]

93. oh that's the new clintonite theme eh? clinton is subtely concern trolling the GOP?

in a way that's obvious only to clinton fans.

boy you guys are a riot...

[JuniperLea]

94. You need to look at what he's saying...

It's basic passive aggressive concern troll. "That's a beautiful turtleneck you're wearing... it hides your double chin."

Classic.

[dionysus]

98. juniper, if that's what he's doing, and i'm not quite sure that it is...

you think thats gonna catch on with your republican or low information voters?

i highly doubt that.

[JuniperLea]

100. It's very subtle, no question!

Who else is bringing up these particular points in public? Who else is pointing out what McCain had to say about other meetings with Obama? He's the nice guy pointing out stupidity under the guise of a pat on the back. It's causing people to talk, clearly. They don't have to "get it" to keep the talk out there.

[Cha]

37. Bill Clinton is stumping for mccain or he's

senile like his buddy john.

[OneBlueSky]

8. I'm getting REAL tired of Bill Clinton praising McCain . . .

while frequently failing to speak up for Obama . . . at least not as loudly or as enthusiastically as he should . . .

Clinton is part of the problem, not part of the solution . . .

[obiden]

26. Time for Obama to call him on this

Clinton is acting as REPUBLICANS' trojan horse here

[Cha]

39. I'd love to hear what Chris Rock

has to say about this latest stump speech of Bill Clinton's?

[1Hippiechick]

53. Chris is on somewhere tonight - maybe Larry King Live??? It'll be GREAT. n/t

[Cha]

59. Really! Too

appropriate!

[hedgehog]

9. Is Bill trying to ensure he'd be invited to a McCain White House

as a member of the Loyal opposition?


He squandered his terms in office and his entire political career trying to be all things to all people. This convinces me as nothing else did that he destroyed Hillary's chances. I'm not saying he did that on purpose, just that she was so tied to him that I believed that she was as feckless as he is!

[2Design]

10. when I saw the picture of clinton and mccain when he blew off

letterman - that was my reaction - clintons comments on letterman were not great and on the View - and he has become so entangled in the bush family - well he may be a defector

[NJmaverick]

12. Bill Clinton did a pretty good job when he was president

however we have since learned that while he is a good president, he is a pretty lousy human being.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

33. a pretty good job at losing elections across the board for Democrats

other than his own reelection.

[BigDDem]

13. Why do you think Barack Obama wants a "fucking asshole"

campaigning for him?

[Lucky 13]

88. I don't think he does anymore...

Do you?

[gordianot]

14. Clinton took advise from Nixon.

I suspect he is channeling the spirit of Richard Nixon as an ex-president.

:sarcasm: :puke:

[hedgehog]

17. My dad explains it thusly: Bill Clinton has spent his entire life waiting to be invited

to join the Country Club. He still hasn't realized that's never going to happen!

[flygal]

27. exactly!

Why is busy hanging out with the bushies. I'd have a LOT more respect for him if he was hanging out with Jimmy Carter.

[1Hippiechick]

56. LOL. Always the bridesmaid but never the bride... n/t

[polmaven]

21. Are we trying to match the

bailout figure of 700,000,000,000 for threads on this topic today? :shrug:

[JuniperLea]

22. Perhaps it's because I live in the spin machine...

But mostly I see this as a passive aggressive kick in the nuts to McCain. In some areas, I'm seeing cherry picking here and not a lot of context. I would have to read the entire interview. And I don't have time. And I kick myself for even kicking yet another worthless thread here.

[Indenturedebtor]

28. Passive aggressive only works on Democrats. The spin machine will take him for what he said

And I don't detect any passive aggressive at all. I read "Don't criticize McCain for this, listen to his talking points."

:grr:

[JuniperLea]

34. Let me put this in terms you'll get...

Think "Concern Troll"...

[Indenturedebtor]

38. Haha. Check back in 7 hours and we'll see how it's spun

I hope you're right. But perhaps he needs to go work on his global initiative.

[AtomicKitten]

25. Clinton's a team player. He plays for Team Clinton.

[NJmaverick]

29. Bill Clinton= A very good President but a lousy human being

[BigDDem]

31. Obama's opinion:

“I want him involved. He is a brilliant politician. He was a outstanding president. And so I want his help not only in campaigning but also in governing. And I’m confident that I’ll get that help.”

Is he wrong?

[Lord Helmet]

70. everybody is treating Clinton like a spoiled child, which he is

[BigDDem]

81. Obama is wrong then in your eyes

[Lord Helmet]

82. Clinton is a damn fool in many people's eyes including mine.

[Lucky 13]

89. About this... perhaps so.

[Cha]

41. And, in Team Clinton's greedy little mind he must

think it's good to build up mccain right now..and mention how positive bush's speech came off.

Maybe he's on the carlyle payroll? Stranger things have happened and his behavior is freaky.

[Lord Helmet]

84. well if he's not on the Carlyle payroll he's doing work for free for them

[ReadTomPaine]

30. Sigh. Oh Bill. n/t

[Cha]

35. Yeah, I hadn't seen this.. I ignored all those other

threads that said.."don't be distracted by Bill Clinton". Okay..that's easy but I'm not letting this go without a statement.

Stupid Fuck..his comments have no bearing on realtiy.

I can't wait until Obama wins and BC can go hang out with daddy bush.

[BigDDem]

44. "Stupid Fuck"

hello pot, meet kettle

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[BigDDem]

51. Obamas opinion:

“I want him involved. He is a brilliant politician. He was a outstanding president. And so I want his help not only in campaigning but also in governing. And I’m confident that I’ll get that help.”

[dionysus]

54. exceedingly poor attempt at refuting my point.

Obama praising Clinton (which you would expect, as they are both dems)

VS.

Bill Clinton going all over the television praising the shit out of the GOP candidates (which only hardcore clintonites think helps the dems).


you have actually highlighted bills douchebaggery, thank you...

Obama has class, and bill, the selfish ass, has none...

[BigDDem]

55. Why do you think Obama wants a

"washed up sleazy philandering hick" out campaigning for him?

[dionysus]

57. don't change the point. i want to see you defend bill's constant GOP praise. go on, do it...

again, obama has class, he won't trash bill.

bill can hardly mention obama's name and can't open his trap with praising republicans.

[BigDDem]

58. Ok Sarah, dont answer the question, duck and dodge

I dont think Clinton is praising the GOP so I wont defend it.
Guess you missed his convention speech also.

Now, back to my point...

[dionysus]

60. you don't have a point, other than clinton's GOP praise is somehow supportive of obama.

and you're projecting. you tried to change the subject because you can't really defend what you're trying to defend.

and if you don't think bill has been praising the GOP, then your head is too far up clinton ass to be saved.

:rofl:

[BigDDem]

63. Ok Sarah, go run and hide behind Todd

I'll try one more time...

Why do you think Obama wants a "washed up sleazy philandering hick" out campaigning for him?

Come on, you can do it!!!!

[dionysus]

68. ah, the inevitable ad-homs. when you're being pwned, call ppl names...

clinton *is* a washed up sleazy philandering hick, but Obama has the class not to say it.

anyone would like a sincere bill clinton out on the campaign trail, but bitter little billy can't get over losing the primary. and he can't even pretend to be on obama's side. he can't help himself, every time he's on TV he praises the GOP ticket in various forms.

but anyways, you're still changing the subject.

i want to see more of you defendings bill's GOP love. he's an honorary bush, mccain is awesome, sarah is strong, ect...

you wanna call me some more names, or do you want to further embarrass yourself by defending this shit?

:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:

[BigDDem]

83. Sarah, please supply the quotes re:" bill's GOP love"

Thanks!
You can do it! I have faith in you!!!!

[dionysus]

99. if calling me Sarah because you look foolish defending bill makes you feel better, go right ahead.

better

:rofl:

[JuniperLea]

75. They just can't get the "concern troll" passive aggressive stance Clinton takes

It goes right over their heads. Don't bother...

[DevonRex]

47. Uncalled for.

[DevonRex]

45. Heh heh. Now that's straight talk and it's greatly appreciated. :)

[FraDon]

40. • think J. Edgar's Safe ...

it's the old, tightening vice-on-the-scrotum, political hard ball.

so to speak.
.

[BuyingThyme]

42. He would have said the same were Hillary the candidate and had she stayed in the debate.

:rofl:

[ShortnFiery]

61. That's the great sadness with run away ambition.

On a mini-micro scale, my Aunt had to repeatedly remind my cut-throat ambitious Uncle to let me WIN at "Old Maid" cards once in a while because I was only 6 y.o. Unk and Bill have that incessant DRIVE that transcends even family loyalties.

[workinclasszero]

62. When will Bill Clinton start running ads supporting McBush?

:puke::puke::puke:

[BigDDem]

65. about the same time all the Clinton obsessed nut cases

get their meds checked

[dionysus]

69. there's only one person obsessed with clinton on this thread and that is you.

tell me again how his constant praising of the GOP ticket is helpful for us?

i know you'd like to but you can't, can you?

:rofl:

[BigDDem]

85. Please supply direct quotes "constant praising of the GOP ticket "

thanks! I know you can do it!!!!!!!

[dionysus]

92. uh, he's been doing it all week, don't be obtuse.

[Lucky 13]

91. true dat.

[budkin]

64. I've lost most of my admiration of Clinton during this campaign.

What the fuck is his problem?

[yardwork]

66. The Democratic leadership needs to tell Bill Clinton to cool it.

If Bill thinks that this is helping Hillary's chances in 2012, he's wrong.

[yodermon]

67. I WILL BE THE SOLE CLINTON APOLOGIST HERE ;)

I think he did good by actually verbalized the words "McCain" and "afraid to debate".

No one in the media actually suggested such a thing.

It's a "don't think of an elephant" moment.

By suggesting it, but *denying* it, he's reinforcing the meme.

"bad democratic cop".

flame on.

[The Magistrate]

71. Actually, Sir, This Is The 'But Brutus Is An Honorable Man' Trick From Shakespear's Antony

McCain said he wanted more debates, so he couldn't be wanting fewer debates....

Our Bill is more subtle than many.

[QC]

73. Thank you!

So nice to hear a reasoned and intelligent voice around here; it's been a rarity of late.

[JuniperLea]

76. Indeed... he plays "concern troll" very well

I don't understand how his passive aggressive, concern troll, "in your face, McCain" statements are flying over the heads of so many here!

[JuniperLea]

77. He's being a "concern troll"

And it's going right over the heads of the Clinton haters! Priceless!

[Name removed]

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[BigDDem]

86. Why does Obama want a "freakin Repub operative" out

campaigning for him?

[TexanDem]

101. I have no idea - Obama is a nice guy But theClintons are NOT Obama's friends. That's pretty clear.

[zulchzulu]

74. Clinton knows he's partially responsible for this economic crisis AND...

...he really does want Obama to lose... otherwise he wouldn't be opening his piehole about Obama "being afraid" to debate McChicken.

It's as obvious as a dog biting your foot that Bill Clinton is all about Bill Clinton. Frankly, I hope Hillary divorces his ass. She can do better.

[Disturbed]

87. " I like him. I admire him." Bill Clinton regarding McCain

How can he like him & admire him when McCain has been shamelessly lying & putting forth slime Ads against Sen. Obama? McLiar is an Asshole!!! It seems that Bill Clinton is trying to sabotage Sen. Obama.

[JuniperLea]

90. Clinton is being the classic concern troll..

Whoosh... going over so many heads...

[dionysus]

96. this is rich. clintons awesome new tactic is to "concern troll" so subtely that politically aware

people don't even see it?

whats next, if you play clips of bill clinton praising the republicans backwards it comes out like "vote for obama, he's awesome".

seriously, you guys are limboing here trying to defend bill. it's quite funny.

[JuniperLea]

97. You are blind... too bad. eom

[Dr Fate]

102. I think he said the wrong things. He should have argued that this shows McCain is weak.

I know, I know- some DLCer at DU thinks I'm a "Clinton hater" for thinking this- big deal.

[AZBlue]

103. "With friends like these..."

*sigh*

[stillcool]

104. Bill Clinton does not want Obama to win..

He can't get any more obvious.