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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:23 PM
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We learned a lot from testing the new rating system, but we don't think it's ready for prime time.
Two days ago we unveiled an update to our recommend/rating system. Overall, the response to the change was quite positive -- much more positive than we expected. Most people seemed to be using the system responsibly, and the ratings seemed fair and relatively accurate. I think this test demonstrated that there is value in giving our members a more comprehensive rating function than what we had.

But we do not feel that the new rating system, as we designed it, turned out to be a good fit for DU. So we have decided to go back to the drawing board. We are going to temporarily return to the old "recommend" system that we had before, and stick with it until November or so. We think that unveiling any new upgrades before election day would be too distracting to this community.


So, what good came from this exercise?

We learned that the vast majority of DUers can be trusted to use a comprehensive rating system in a responsible manner. The DU admins felt that most of the ratings were justified and relevant to the content of the discussion threads to which they were assigned.

Even though there was some resistance to the idea of negative ratings, in practice they did add value to the site. I think they acted as a sort-of "pressure valve," so the community could express their disapproval without having to resort to flaming. (Having that option might even create a situation where the moderators do not feel the need to lock as many threads as they do now.) And I think they made it significantly less likely that highly extreme or divisive posts received high ratings. With this in mind, I think it is likely that any future change to the rating system will include the ability to rate threads down somehow, perhaps by letting people "unrecommend" when recommendations have already been given.


And what were some problems?

I think that the system we created was just a little bit too cute. Color-coding, distracting graphics, words assigned to each rating level -- it was unnecessary, and off-putting. Plus, it made the system seem more complicated than it actually was.

It is completely unnecessary (and even pointless) to give people five options to choose from when rating a discussion thread, because everyone just gravitates to the highest and lowest options. Having additional options made rating threads more confusing. I think we really only need two options: one positive and one negative.

The Greatest Page was significantly less useful, or at least it felt less useful. The fact that there was so little stratification among the highly-rated threads made it hard to pick what was supposed to be the "best." Ironically, the "problem" (if you can call it that) was apparently that we actually do have lots and lots of really great threads here on DU. But seeing them all given precisely the same rating of "5" felt deeply unsatisfying to me, and made the greatest page seem unreliable. I felt like I needed to hunt around to try to decipher which item was the "real" greatest thread. Also, removing the column in which the greatest threads were sorted by time was a mistake that made the page less useful.


So, we're taking down the new, improved rating system, and going back to the old tried-and-true "recommend" function. The old recommend function is not perfect by any means. There are many things about it that I do not like. But it is what we know, and we have already become tolerant of it's shortcomings. It should be sufficient to get us through election day, when Barack Obama is elected the 44th president of the United States.

Thank you for your patience and understanding as we try new things and work to improve this great community.

Skinner
DU Administrator
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:24 PM
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1. K&R!
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REACTIVATED IN CT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:24 PM
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2. Thank you Thank you Thank you
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:25 PM
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3. Well I like it. I hope to see a revised version.
n/t
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:25 PM
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4. So in other words, you're SUSPENDING the ratings system until the Presidential crisis is over?
Just like McCain. Tsk tsk tsk...
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:26 PM
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11. *snarf*
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:27 PM
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13. !
:rofl:
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:25 PM
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5. Aww, I kinda liked it, though...
I think 'unrecommend' would be a suitable replacement, though :)
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:25 PM
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6. Thanks Skinner...it's just a really "tense" time for something new right now...
During a quieter time it may have been received more smoothly.
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SallyMander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:26 PM
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7. I kinda liked it...

Oh well. Still love me some DU. :D
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:26 PM
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8. What a short strange trip it's been, but enlightening.
Many thanks for your imagination and patience.

:thumbsup:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:26 PM
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Thanks for your thoughtfulness. n/t
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:26 PM
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9. Hey, it was fun being a guinea pig and I am glad you got some good data to work with for
next time. :)

Thanks again for all you guys do! :yourock:
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:26 PM
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10. What's wrong with five clickable stars, like NetFlix or Amazon?
Clicking on 1 or 2 stars gives it -2 or -1 points respectively, 3 stars is a draw, 4 and 5 stars are +1 and +2 points.

Just a thought.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:09 PM
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57. Cuz if a well written thread is made about a disaster like 9/11 some people would feel uncomfortable
giving that thread 5 stars. Even though the information is important and they think others should read it... the 5 stars would seem too "chipper" and too much like they were championing 9/11.

That's just an example though.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:27 PM
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12. This is very good news. Thank you.
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pettypace Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:27 PM
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14. Too bad...I enjoyed the color coded labels for good threads
So much easier to find the hot topics.

Oh well.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:27 PM
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15. Speaking of "not ready for prime time", can you get rid of Palin too?
Almighty Skinner.

;)
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:27 PM
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16. I'm marking this "Disruptive".
:evilgrin: Sorry, I had to do it one las time.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:28 PM
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17. IBTL
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:28 PM
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18. Can you please KEEP the *dynamic updating?*
It's nice to be able to instantly recommend without having to click through to another page, and then back to the post.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:29 PM
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20. Now that was the best part of it all! nt
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:32 PM
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28. We're going to do that.
Probably early next week.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:34 PM
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32. Yay!
Thanks Skinner.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:28 PM
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Thanks for taking an honest and receptive look at it.
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 04:29 PM by tekisui
Good job, guys! I think you got your analysis right. The change of not having to go back after a recommend made me MORE likely to give a rating. It didn't disturb the flow.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:30 PM
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22. I'm JuniperX and I approve of this message:) eom
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:30 PM
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24. Apparently I double approve:)
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 04:30 PM by Juniperx
Edit for 'puter hiccup!
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:28 PM
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19. Excellent news Skinner, thank you!
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:29 PM
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21. Thank you! n/t
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:30 PM
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23. I hope something like this sticks around and here is why
I was so frustrated during the primary season when 'hit-piece' posts would show up in GDP blasting one of the democratic candidates (usually Clinton or Obama) and then all the supporters would get on their and recommend the crap out of it until it hit the home page of DU.

And I'm not talking posts with articles & talking points but crap like "Hillary/Obama is a DNC/DINO blah blah blah" which I thought just make DU look stupid when it made it to the home page.

If we had this system back during the primaries then crap posts like that would have not made the DU home page because those who disagreed with these 'hit-piece' posts would be able to counter all the recommendations. Having a system like this keeps the shit off of the DU home page and instead you'll see great posts that were well received by ALL Duers.

So please, even if you get rid of the color coding, put something in so we can keep crap off the DU home page and quality on it. I'm not trying to step on anyone's first admentment rights - just giving those who disagree a chance to weigh in on the quality of posts just like those who do support it.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:38 PM
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37. I think some sort of unrecommend functionality is likely.
At some point.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:41 PM
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39. It would be appreciated
I have about a dozen PMs in my sent mail to you and Earlg asking you guys to remove that crap off the home page along with countless alerts. How about just a Thumbs Up/Thumbs Down or "Was this post helpful Yes/No" type rating system.



But I did have fun rating all your posts as *DISRUPTIVE*

:hide:
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ericgtr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:30 PM
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25. Agreed and thank you for listening to our feedback
From a technical standpoint it's a wonderful modification. However, I find myself distracted from the actual topics by looking at the buttons on the side. I think the old way will mean more topics get read.

Thanks for all the work you guys do on this site, it's always appreciated and I will be making another donation soon! :)
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:31 PM
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26. I agree.
I don't think it was broke.
So don't 'fix' it.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:31 PM
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27. What about 'thumbs up' / 'thumbs down' ? It's simple, and the graphics are easily understood.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:43 PM
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41. Or "Would you Recommend this post? Yes/No"
I just want something to counter disruptive posts and sects of people here at DU who try to get those posts on the DU home page. It's not bad now but it was awful in the primaries. If something is so worthy that it should be on the DU home page then it should be something embraced by EVERYONE, not just 50 people who gang up and try to get their viral stuff on the DU home page.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:39 PM
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70. Yeah. I liked the 'disruptive' flag actually. I think it *did* help to keep flame wars to a miniumum
The thumb up or down thing would make a compact little graphic.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:33 PM
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29. Happy to play the beta game for you anytime!
I'm sure that the very best solutions will percolate properly and show up when brewed to perfection. I like testing stuff.
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:33 PM
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30. Cool.

I heard Tom ridge wants his color scheme back:P
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:33 PM
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31. Wow! Thank you so much!
I've been going nuts the past two days, where I'd come to DU to try to pick up on the most active stories from the last few hours and instead find myself looking at greatest hits from last night or early this morning.

A greatest hits listing will actually be very useful in quieter times, since it will allow thoughtful discussions or research threads to stay visible for much longer. But in times of breaking news, it's just a frustration.

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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:34 PM
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33. I liked it too, and it's a shame..
that people thought it was too complicated, or distracting. I think it was just too big of a change for some.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:34 PM
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34. I know some people will be happy about this.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:35 PM
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35. Thanks Skinner.
:hi:
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:36 PM
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36. I liked having more choices than Rec or No Rec
Once you'd moved the stuff to the right side of the page, I was fine with it.

It was kind of convenient to be able to rate with one click sometimes, rather than posting a comment.

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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:39 PM
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38. i rated this thread "Disruptive".
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:45 PM
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43. Yeah, that Skinner guy is such a troll.
He'll get his pizza very soon.

:)
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:42 PM
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40. Disappointed
I thought it was a great system. I can't believe that a bunch of liberals are so resistant to change.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:44 PM
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42. I'm fine with whatever you guys come up with. nt
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:47 PM
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44. Thank you Skinner!.. Just a little opt out button would be great.. thats all..
:hi:
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:51 PM
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45. kewl
Tough work tryin' to make everyone happy :)
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:51 PM
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46. :smooch: Thanks for bringing the greatest back!
:hi:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:55 PM
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47. I rate this post Must Read, lol.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:56 PM
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48. you guys are great. i've never seen a board so responsive to it's users..thanks
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Bubbha Jo Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:57 PM
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49. I'd simply make the buttons and choices smaller....
Use three maybe like "Read!" "Skip!" "Ugh!"

But I agree that you should wait until after the election to make major changes. Change distracts when we need utmost focus on Nov 4th.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 04:59 PM
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50. Good! In the rewrite, please (1) avoid using Javascript (2) show ratings for threads with few 'views...
with few "views" (3) show total positive recommendations AND total negative recommendations and (4) show the number of "views' inside threads as well as in directories up a level from threads.

(1) Radio buttons coded in PHP for POSITIVE_REC and NEGATIVE_REC would make rating effortless, just as they were in the old system. Pull-down menus coded in Javascript are "work" and seem to have resulted in fewer viewers expressing ratings.

(2) In my experience, the rough ratio of recommendations to views has been the most helpful statistic for finding good threads, especially among the very most recent threads that have few views. For example, when a thread shows only 20 views, but already has accumulated 3 positive recommendations, that has been a "must read" for me, with relatively few regrets.

(3) Even better would be directory info that would let me calculate the rough ratio of negative recommendations to views as well as the rough ratio of positive recommendations to views. If in the first 20 views a thread showed 2 positives and 2 negatives, I'd know before even opening it that there could be actual discussion going on inside, a rarity on DU.

At the other end of the spectrum, a thread that had 3 negative recs and 0 positive recs out of 20 views would be one I and most other readers would find DISRUPTIVE, flagging it for automatic early intervention from mods or for automatic hiding once a certain number of views is reached with a high ratio of negative recs.

The most frustrating aspect of the test system for me is the high proportion of threads with blank rating iiformation. Blank can't ever be a good thing--"the facts always are friendly". IMO, a rating system where 80 percent of threads have no rating information available is the worst kind of system imaginable.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:04 PM
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51. Thank you SO much! Thank you, Thank you, Thank you (BUT I have a suggestion!)
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 05:07 PM by musicblind
I was one of the ones who despised the new system and I appreciate that you were willing to listen with such consideration to people who were unpleased with it. It means a lot to me! I love DU, but the new system worried me that threads would turn into a contest on the subjects popularity and not the quality of the thread.

Perhaps a way to do it in the future would be to keep the old REC system but have an UNREC just like you said. Only, instead of showing one number in the side column and instead of TAKING AWAY recs... show both. Show how many people rec'd it and how many unrec'd it and people can decide to view it from there. :)

That way the people who rec'd and unrec'd the threads wont feel like the other group is taking away their voice with each rec or unrec... yet you can still use an average of the rec's/unrec's to decide what gets on the greatest page.

What do you think?

Again, thank you! I can't wait to have the old DU back. This place is kick butt.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:47 PM
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60. Yes, we can't have unrecs that zero out recs. We'd have to show both.
Either leave it alone or add a column for thumbs-down, but we can't let unrecs erase recs.

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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:06 PM
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52. I'm fine with whatever you decide to do.
I'm just thrilled to have a place like DU to talk to other Democrats.
As crazy as it gets here, it still helps me keep my sanity.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:07 PM
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53. Thanks! I don't think posts need to be rated much beyond a
single "thumbs up" that the Recommend button provides.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:08 PM
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54. Does this mean it is a "Palin Test"?
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 05:08 PM by RobertSeattle
Try again on 11/3..... 2009.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:08 PM
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55. Skinner, I didn't like it at all...
I always appreciate new things to help DU function better, but this was a big negative, IMO. Having an option to discourage from reading certain threads was probably what I hated most about it. Discussion gets quite intense at times and emotions are heated. No, I wouldn't support this kind of change.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:09 PM
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56. So this was a kind of flip-flop-flip?
Just askin'.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:12 PM
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58. I love our three gurus!
I love the men they are, and the men they will become. I love them, I love them, I love them! Go forth and multiply and have more babies like yourselves.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:43 PM
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59. Kudos. Troll rating sucks.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 05:59 PM
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61. Thank you for taking it down.
The recommend feature works just fine.

Skinner, nobody is prevented from responding negatively to a post right now. However, the current system requires the responder to articulate his or her disagreement in words, rather than just pressing a button that "disses" the OP. That is what felt so juvenile and insulting about this system, and it will be the case whether you remove the insulting words or not. Why put in place a system that allows a mob to dismiss and downgrade a post without having to say why?

For posts that are clearly disruptive, we have the alert function.

I really hope this mob control feature does not return in another guise after the election. It was a relief to log in now and see the old DU again.
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Cosmic Charlie Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:12 PM
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62. I agree that 5 categories was overkill, but pretty please bring back the anti-Rec
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:16 PM
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63. Understood
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 06:18 PM by mvd
The new system did make more people think about threads before they started them, but I also thought there were too many options and didn't accurately label many threads. I actually had a "disruptive" rating on a thread of mine about the crazy polls - what was that all about? I also think it is good to save any future changes until after Obama becomes President.

If I had my way:

- there would be recommend for posts and threads
- you can vote down, but only to zero or a single "below 0" rating.

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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:26 PM
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64. I like the old system...
K&R!
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AirmensMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 06:34 PM
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65. Yay!
:bounce:

Thank you! :yourock:

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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:05 PM
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66. kick for the night crew
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:12 PM
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67. Thanks for the info. To me the system seemed too much like a popularity contest
Edited on Thu Sep-25-08 08:12 PM by Blondiegrrl
to see who could receive the "coolest" rating. And yes, the colors were distracting.

It is completely unnecessary (and even pointless) to give people five options to choose from when rating a discussion thread, because everyone just gravitates to the highest and lowest options. Having additional options made rating threads more confusing. I think we really only need two options: one positive and one negative.


I like that idea better!

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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:16 PM
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68. I thought it was kind of fun and actually saved me some time-
as far as looking at threads that were more crucial to read.


I liked the colors and the options.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:38 PM
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69. Personally, I liked it.
A lot.
But I'm sure I'll like whatever you come up with next!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 08:57 PM
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71. Who designed it - Samurai Web Site Designer?
"Samurai Web Site Designer, I need a new ratings system for my forum. What have you got in mind?"

"ummm . . uhh . . ahhh . . . ai-EEEEEEE!"

*slice slice slice*

"Oh wow, Samurai Web Site Designer!! This is exactly what I wanted for my reommendations ratings system. Let's see, it has 5 levels as indicated by the color-coded buttons, each with a descriptive word assigned to each color for each level, and it's complete with a dynamic upgrading system built right in! How can I ever thank you?"

"uhhh . . wssi . . uggh . . ehegeo."

"Well, of course, what a swell idea, why didn't I think of that!? Of course I'll tell everyone about your tremendous web site designing ability and help spread the word about your efforts to combat global warming as well."

"hahd."

"No, . . thank you, Samurai Web Site Designer!"

Tune in next week for another episode of . . Samurai Web Site Designer.

"ai-EEEEEE!!"
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:09 PM
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72. Thank you for mentioning
that Barack Obama is going to become the 44th President of the United States of America! And, all you guys do for DU to keep making it better.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:15 PM
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73. It wasn't the ratings, it was the GREATEST page
The ratings were just fine. I don't think there's anything wrong with choosing among five, and there's nothing wrong with color coding them or giving them names either.

Just change the greatest page. Keep the way threads are sorted now (according to number of votes, and time sorting), and just add the new way to rate threads as well. If you can't fit it on one page, split it into two pages. The "classic" quantity rated greatest page and the new "quality rated" greatest page.

And don't include the ratings as a new column in the general discussion pages, either on the left or the right. When people want to see just the greatest threads, they'll go to the greatest page.

As for the problem with everything being rated a 5, that's just a psychological perception. If I recall correctly, you sorted them so that the ones with the most votes were put on the top, anyway, just like now. The solution to that is to simply not display the rating next to the link.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:16 PM
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74. Yay
and good riddance.

I think the changes being considered will make the rating system better. Although, as I've stated in another thread, I don't pay attention to them and just look at the subject lines to decide what looks interesting enough to look at.
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nilram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:32 PM
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75. As a software developer...
I'm impressed that you had the foresight to be able to migrate the discussion board backwards! Cudos!

And if you're taking feature requests, I'd like to see some way for others to mark a thread as "Humor". While it can be the author's intent to have a leading title to click on and be surprised by the humor, more often than not, I don't find it funny. I don't necessarily want to rate it negatively, 'cause someone else may find it funny. Anyway, FWIW.
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Vote2008 Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:40 PM
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78. I Want it back, the move to the right fixed it!!!
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 09:32 PM
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76. I hated it but I miss it already.
Giving DISRUPTIVE to the idiotic posts of idiotic idiots
has its up side.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-25-08 10:39 PM
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77. The rating system actually works in reverse of what you intended.
I thought your plan was decent when I read it. I could tell that you had really thought it out. After using the rating system, I asked myself if it was better than the recommend system. In the end, I don't think it is better than good old recommend. I think that the rating system promoted train wrecks. When I see something that says "Disruptive", I have to read it to see how insane it is. I also think it would be a disaster during any controversial time (primaries, hot button issues, etc.). People would rate purely politically and GDP would look like Galveston after Ike. This is besides the fact that it was distracting and that it made the greatest page confusing.

The good old recommend system is very effective. My view is that anything with 50+ recs is must read. Anything less is "recommended." That works quite well for me.
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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 07:16 AM
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79. The only 2 issues I had with the new ratings system were...
a) the greatest page - which you addressed. That's generally one of the first things I look at when I get online and it became a mess (to me at least). If you can work out a way around that, it would be great.

b) "skip it" - all the other ratings made sense, especially "must read" and "disruptive", but to me at least, "skip it" seemed unnecessarily cruel (especially in the Lounge) and to have little reason for being with "disruptive" around. It made me want to go rate up every thread with that rating, which defeats the purpose.

Anyway, that's my two cents.
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