WOW-Anyone else live in the NY area just see the anti-McCain ad about his cancer?

[jenmito]

It was by a 527 called Brave New Pac" (I'm pretty sure) and had doctors talking about McCain's age and history of McCain's Melanoma and how serious it could be to his chances of survival! Lots of close-up pics of his facial scars! It ended by asking why he won't release his medical records. VERY effective in making you think about him not making it and therefore PALIN becoming President!

ETA link to ad: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/100200/friday%27s_debate:_ask_mccain_to_release_his_medical_records/

[navarth]

1. it concerns me. I think it will make us look mean. it's too graphic.

Of course I agree with everything in it. Of course. My concern is we'll lose people with it.

[jenmito]

4. I totally disagree...

It's not mean. It's factual and makes people think of the real possibility of a President Palin.

[navarth]

7. You and I don't think it's mean. But I think it will cost us people.

It's factual, sure! I agree with everything in it...but it's going to turn people off. I think it should be said in a gentler way. It WILL make us seem mean-spirited.

[jenmito]

11. I don't think it will cost us ANYONE. It's a real concern that people need to

think about.

[navarth]

22. It IS a real concern. But I disagree about it costing us anyone.

I just read another thread about this. Someone put it very well. They said we don't want him to get 'sympathy' votes. That's my worry too.

Maybe I'm wrong!! I sure hope so. Here we are, on a great bounce in the ratings. I'd hate to see anything diminish it.

I just saw the ad again...it's not as jarring as the first time I saw it. Hopefully the average on-the-fence viewer won't be so turned off they vote for McSame.

BUT I still say it could've been done smarter. And I've never disliked Brave New Films' work before.

[jenmito]

27. I don't think he'll get any "sympathy" votes fot doctors pointing out that he could DIE in office...

I think even if people DO feel sympathy towards him it won't make them vote for him. It will make them think about the (sad) possibility he could die and Palin would become President.

[navarth]

45. I just think we should be careful about handing them a weapon when we're winning.

I just hope this doesn't get turned back at us, just when we're on a winning streak.

DO you understand where I'm coming from?? I totally agree with everything you say! BUT the way they said it is a BIG concern.

Hey! I hope I'm wrong, hope you're right! But, I dunno.....

[jenmito]

48. I don't think we're handing them ANYTHING...

I DO see where you're coming from but I disagree.

[navarth]

49. Time will tell...I hope I'm wrong.

If I'm right, this could really suck

[jenmito]

50. I think you're wrong.

No offense. :)

[Sodan]

55. Sympathy? ffs - most powerful position on the planet - gotta be fit!!!

[jenmito]

59. Exactly!

[Overseas]

57. It is not US. It is a 527. They did it. And McLame made us think about his health

when he appointed an incompetent Christian fundamentalist as his VP.

He opened the door with that reckless pick.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

58. Been shown a lot here in Richmond today.

[valerief]

2. I've seen it a few times in Mass. It's very effective. nt

[jenmito]

I'm glad ONE person agrees! n/t

[madmax]

3. Saw it here in NC

[Exilednight]

5. Saw it today. Without his medical records being made public, I find it a very convincing ........

ad and makes a legitimate point about his health and possibility of Palin becoming President.

[jenmito]

9. Thanks...

I edited my OP to ad the part about releasing his medical records which I forgot. Yup-VERY legitimate.

[appleannie1]

6. I saw it about 20 minutes ago on a national network.

[Hepburn]

10. Yo, Annie...

...:hi:

Maybe you and Jen are seeing this since you are in battleground states?

I am in Calif...and I think the earth would stop spinning on its axis if Cal went for McHoover.

[jenmito]

13. Hey, annie!

:hi: How ya doing? What did you think of the ad?

[Hepburn]

8. Heya, Jen...

...have not seen it. Hoping someone has a link to a vid of it, tho!

Hope all is well with you...:hi:

[jenmito]

14. Hey, Hepburn!

I'll look for it! I'm ok...and you?

[Hepburn]

18. Doing OK...except I screwed up my knee....

...hurts like an SOB! Hope all is well with you! :hi:

[jenmito]

20. Sorry to hear that...

hope it gets better soon! :hi:

[trashcanistanista]

12. Haven't seen it yet, and probably won't as I am in California.

We already hate McCain, so there is no need for ads like that in my state, but I agree with the message.

[jenmito]

15. I edited my OP to ad link to the ad. n/t

[Hepburn]

16. I am in SoCal....

...and have seen exactly ONE McHoover bumpersticker/sign totally.

Yesterday, I gave a guy a high sign who was stopped next to me at a light for his Obama sticker...he rolled down his window and we chatted for a second. I had just come from court and the guy looked like a lawyer. I asked and he said he was a banker.

Knock me over with a feather...a banker with an Obama sticker! In West LA/Santa Monica area! :applause:

Now I HAVE seen pigs fly!

:hi:

[PatSeg]

39. I'm in California

and I've seen the ad numerous times, starting during Morning Joe. Its been playing all day on MSNBC.

When I'd heard about the ad, I was concerned that it would turn too many people off, but now having seen the ad, it doesn't look cruel or insensitive.

[Grateful for Hope]

17. It's on as I type

Excellent ad.

[Gin]

19. Just saw the ad in Virginia Beach

[Hepburn]

21. Checked out your link....

...hellova ad!

Wow...effective, IMO, and necessary. Straight truth about how easily Palin could step up to the POTUS spot.

Thanks for the link.

[jenmito]

25. I'm glad you thought it was effective!

Yes-we NEED ads like this!

[Hepburn]

28. I totally agree, Jen.

They did not go too far with this. McCain's health and age is an issue. Especially with his running mate, Ms. Tundra Trash.

[jenmito]

30. I like that nic...

"Tundra Trash." :D

[DemsUnited]

23. saw it here in No Va. Good stuff. Have to say, am loving the proBama 527 ads so far.

[jenmito]

26. Good. I saw it twice during this hour.

[PCIntern]

24. Saw it in Philly...

[Cosmocat]

36. STUNNED to see in Central Pa ...

Real stuff, but too hot for the media to touch ... Unless it was a D, of course ...

[TheWraith]

29. Saw it here on MSNBC in upstate NY.

[BklynChick]

31. I just saw it. I'm all for anything that questions his ability to be president.

[jenmito]

35. Glad you liked it.

:hi:

[BklynChick]

38. I had to stop for a moment because I couldn't believe it was on tv, and in NYC.

where are you?

[jenmito]

43. It may be a national ad buy...

I'm in Rockland County.

[TooRaLoo]

32. It's a legitmate concern. Palin is hopelessy incompetent. nt

[jenmito]

37. Exactly. n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

89. the frightens many people that "Palin ya" could be president!

[jenmito]

92. I sure HOPE so!

[yorkie]

33. unfortunately we do need to know

Many of us think he's not looking well-how will we live with ourselves if we have not tried to get him to release his records?
I signed the letter-if I had not been proactive and called for his medical records to be released, I would have an even worse time dealing with the situation should McCain and Palin win and then Palin becomes President.

[jenmito]

41. Exactly...

Hopefully most people see it that way!

[Motown_Johnny]

34. It is playing everywhere... and I like it

[jenmito]

44. Good-must be a national ad buy then! n/t

[cynatnite]

40. It reminded me of Bill Frist. I thought it was a horrible ad.

They should be doing them about McCain's stance against the military and veterans. That will get far more traction, IMO.

[jenmito]

46. I disagree. It states the fact that he may, in reality, not make it and therefore

Palin may become President. "Why won't he release his medical records" is a valid question.

[cynatnite]

53. The ad struck me as an attempt to diagnose from a distance...

Bill Frist did that. Plus the fact I spent enough years in the medical field to know this is not what responsible physicians do.

The question is valid...I totally agree. They should all be released. But this ad was just terrible, IMO. Not very good.

As I said...they should do one about his votes in regards to veterans and the military. That will do far more damage, IMO, considering he is a veteran. He's voted against the VA, against vets and against their families repeatedly. He's voted against body armor and didn't show up for the vote on the new GI Bill. That's the ad I want to see.

[jenmito]

56. They're not diagnosing him. They're pointing out the FACTS. He had melanoma

4 times. That's far from Frist diagnosing someone from a video of someone.

[cynatnite]

63. The physician was applying supposition...

to an individual of whom he doesn't have a clue about. He does not know the details of his medical history. Everyone knows he had melanoma four times, but it's the details of that we don't know. No responsible physician makes these kinds of assumptions about a patient he or she never examined. This is why that ad will not have traction and will be dismissed as sleazy. It's no better than what Frist did.

[Olney Blue]

70. I agree- a good doctor doesn't behave this way.

The ad makes me uncomfortable.

[jenmito]

73. Everybody does NOT know he had melanoma 4 times...

and the drs. never said they DID know the details of his medical history. Again-they were just stating facts. IF he gets it again...
Why won't he release his medical records? ALL presidential candidates should do that. We ALL have a right to know.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

82. The issue is about his not releasing his medical records.

The reference to melanoma makes you wonder, "What else does he have going on?" If the Repugs jump all over it as being a personal attack, great! It'll just keep drawing attention to the fact that he's been hiding the true condition of his health by not releasing his medical records. It also means the media will play the ad over and over as part of their reporting -- it'll be payback for the "Paris Hilton + Britney Spears = Obama" ad, which got lots of free airplay.

[jenmito]

86. Thanks...

Good analysis! :hi:

[MasonJar]

42. New York is already in our column; they should show it in the red

and purple states.

[jenmito]

47. It's probably a national ad buy. n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

51. I think DFA should have tied it in with McCain's non-health care. This way it would reach

people on two levels and not appear quite as mean.

It would also have to point out McCain's own very excellent health care on the taxpayer's dime.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

52. I saw it here in California during David Gregory's show

[Sodan]

54. Most demanding job on the planet - you need to be fit! GREAT ad!

[jenmito]

60. Exactly! n/t

[Clio the Leo]

61. My mother has been a chemo nurse for the last 30 years, her reaction:

"WOW!!!!!! THAT SCAR IS HUGE!!!!"

"He's had a HUGE skin graph."

And she is not prone to hyperbole.

[Hepburn]

65. I would guess not....

...with her occupation, she has seen it all, right? So...her reaction is noteworthy, IMO.

[Clio the Leo]

67. Most definately. She made me rewind it for her twice. NT

[vanderBeth]

62. I just saw it here in Dallas.

It is pretty effective, I think.

[1776Forever]

64. I saw it here in Ohio today too. True for sure! People should take this seriously!

:kick:

[jazzjunkysue]

66. Off to the greatest with yo u....

[jenmito]

74. Thanks, jazzjunkysue!

:hi:

[K8-EEE]

68. I saw it here in L.A.

Really him picking Mooselini, his health is a DEFINITE ISSUE and he's NOT looking well lately.

If he had a health issue, a mini-stroke or another bout of cancer, do you think in a million years they would tell us? I DON'T!

[Hieronymus]

69. Yes, its played several times in a few hours in the San Francisco Bay Area.

[Raine1967]

71. I saw it down here in Atlanta.

I was impressed.

We should see his medical records for the very reasons stated in the ad.

[grannylib]

72. I'm not crazy about it. I think it strays over the line. I understand

the concerns about his health, and they are certainly legitimate. But I don't think this was done tastefully, if it's even possible to do this in a fashion that isn't offensive. I'm sure the McAnus campaign will spin it that way, but I hope it WILL focus attention on his medical records and make him release them. He should. It's a pretty expected thing, no?

[Hieronymus]

76. It would be really dumb of McCain to respond to that ad.

[grannylib]

78. Yeah, it probably would, but I bet he will make some statement

through his surrogates at least about "Obama Democrat smears" and about the media being "150% in the tank for Obama" and all that bullshit...
Just 'cos it's stupid doesn't mean he won't do it, judging from the last few days!
:hi:

[MadAnne]

75. Just saw it a couple of times in NC. n/t

[Tess49]

77. It's playing in Oklahoma, too.

[MzShellG]

79. I saw it in SC, Hope it really gets the undecideds to thinking. nt

[jenmito]

80. It HAS to get them thinking. n/t

[zulchzulu]

81. I've seen the ad a couple times this evening in Madison, WI

I like the ad, but can see how it cn be seen as heavy-handed... but, yunno, I say go for it.

[cjsmom44]

83. RE: I saw it

Yup ...it played in Maine last night

[npincus]

84. Yes- all that's missing is an image of Palin

or, President Palin, as the ad would suggest.

[jenmito]

87. I think the image is there...

in the mind of everyone who sees the ad.

[lamp_shade]

85. Several times here in Florida. Caught a couple minutes on O'Reilly

last night (during KO commercial... I promise). He was talking to some legal "expert" who said nothing can be done. He wanted to sue. Anyway, one of them mentioned that only NBC agreed to air it.

[jenmito]

91. I saw the same thing...

I was channel-surfing for a couple minutes at 5 in the morning (I woke up for a few minutes) and of course, O'Reilly had to point out that only NBC played it. I think he meant MSNBC. :eyes:

[LSK]

88. I saw it here in Chicago

Not sure what I think about it.

[Fired Up Democrat]

90. its all over ohio too