Obama Humiliated McCain in White House Bailout Meeting

[cal04]

by sponson
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/27/191442/796/466/612779

The Washington Post has a detailed and major story describing much more detail about Thursday's show meeting convened by Bush and McCain in order for John McCain to "save the economy." It turns out that Obama spoke for the Democrats in the room officially, and confronted John McCain in front of everyone present, coming out the winner. Quotes after the jump.

Boehner was blunt. The plan Paulson laid out would not win the support of the vast majority of House Republicans. It had been improved on the edges, with an oversight board and caps on the compensation of participating executives. But it had to be changed at the core. He did not mention the insurance alternative, but Democrats did. Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, pressed Boehner hard, asking him if he really intended to scrap the deal and start again.

No, Boehner replied, he just wanted his members to have a voice. Obama then jumped in to turn the question on his rival: "What do you think of the plan, John?" he asked repeatedly. McCain did not answer.

One Republican in the room said it was clear that the Democrats came into the meeting with a "game plan" aimed at forcing McCain to choose between the administration and House Republicans. "They had taken McCain's request for a meeting and trumped it," said this source.

Congressional aides from both parties were standing in the lobby of the West Wing, unaware of the discord inside the Cabinet room, when McCain emerged alone, shook the hands of the Marines at the door and left. The aides were baffled. The plan had been for a bipartisan appearance before the media, featuring McCain, Obama and at least a firm statement in favor of intervention. Now, one of the leading men was gone.

Perhaps this will satisfy some of the people who believe that Obama did not "hit McCain hard enough." He confronted McCain directly, and McCain more than blinked, he stomped out of the self-convened high stakes meeting Bob Novak style. The vaunted "House GOP Plan" was a fig leaf that McCain tried to use as a means of delaying the negotiated plan so he could avoid the debate the next day, but the plan did not work



Josh Marshall
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Jonathan Weisman has a fascinating, even riveting narrative of what went down in Washington on Thursday as John McCain made his play to commandeer the high-level negotiations over the bailout bill. And TPM Reader TW called my attention to a passage that may help to explain the smoldering hostility that made it impossible for McCain even to make eye contact with Barack Obama during last night's debate.

We pick up Weisman in that big meeting at the White House ...

Pelosi said Obama would speak for the Democrats. Though later he would pepper Paulson with questions, according to a Republican in the room, his initial point was brief: "We've got to get something done."

(snip)
Assuming this is an accurate portrayal of events, it may help explain some of what happened last night.

[FreakinDJ]

1. McSame is going Humiliate Obama when he doesn't vote for it

Trust me McSame is Not going to vote for the Bailout pl- and then he'll be reiling on Obama for it all the way up to the election

[pdxmom]

4. He's going to have a hard time doing that, when he very clearly said

during the debate last night that he was going to vote for the bailout plan.

[kirby]

13. But that was on Friday...Next week the economy will be solid again... n/t

[FreakinDJ]

27. Rots a Ruck on that one

2 words

Asian Markets

[demokatgurrl]

96. Yeah..... solid as a rock. n/t

[FreakinDJ]

25. This can be a "Wedge Issue" to undecided voters

The Bailout is highly volatile issue that can be immensely unpopular by how it is spun.

Not even the members of congress fully understand exactly what Wall St. did with those derivatives

[Honeycombe8]

67. I thought he said, "I hope so," when asked if he'd vote for it. nt

[paparush]

86. He said "sure"

[Teaser]

20. Uh, he just said he would support it last night. Directly. No ifs ands or buts.

Flip flop much?

[FreakinDJ]

26. Yes McSame has Flip Floped constantly during his campaign

wait until the spin meisters get a hold of it

[SemperEadem]

94. from the looks of things so far

he's not really getting all that much heat for constantly changing his position, unless you're watching Olberman or Maddow. No one else is using the term "flip flop" when it comes to the old man; they're barely using the apt word "liar" with him.

[AntiFascist]

92. This needs to be exploited by the Obama campaign !

McShame consistently flip-flops on economic issues, but his past performance shows that he sides with the wealthy elite when he votes. He and Phil Gramm were largely responsible for banking deregulation in the first place. This should not only demonstrate a failure of deregulation, but extrapolate to a major failure of Reaganomics in general.

[PretzelWarrior]

43. that will be suicide for McCain. he's supposed to be helping

solve the crisis in a way that helps Americans. If he supposedly does this and then votes against it, he loses all his credibility points he has left about his grand gesture to stop campaign and go "broker" a deal.

Yes, those of us more informed know he DERAILED a deal in progress. But it is so amazing to watch him zig zag back and forth on these zany stretches where the economy is fine then we are in mortal danger and dagnabbit the greedy industrialists I've ALWAYS been for regulating (since Wednesday) have gone and screwed it up for us.

Even when McCain picked Palin I smelled this as a desperate move. It certainly looks to be panning out that way.

McCain is a disaster and should be losing by 12 points or more right now.

[spanone]

68. did you see the debate? he said he was going to vote for it.

[happygoluckytoyou]

81. HE ALSO SAID HE WOULDNT DEBATE UNTIL IT WAS A DONE DEAL.......nuff said

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. No wonder McCan't wouldn't look at him

He was still smarting from dealing with someone who knows how a President should act.

[graywarrior]

12. That's the first thing I thought while watching him

He was humiliated and shamed so he couldn't look Obama in the eye. When someone sees into your black soul, you tned to turn away from the light.

[loudsue]

45. Obama was a law professor. McCain brought a knife to a gun fight.

He is no match for Obama.

[lefthandedskyhook]

88. Yep, Obama was playing chess...

McCain was losing at checkers.

[Raine]

3. Very interesting that explains McINSANE's nasty attitude,

disrespect toward Obama during the debate, his refusal to look at Obama etc.

[Mme. Defarge]

5. The hostility was certainly palpable,

and did McCain no good during the debate. One of my favorite organizational development practitioners, Edgar Schein, equated causing someone to lose face with social murder. In this case, McCain lost face because he was unprepared, or unwilling, to respond to Obama's question. Nonetheless, Obama has a visceral enemey in McCain, which is very different than an "idea opponent".

[crossroads]

6. I sensed McCain just seething under that plastic phony smile/grin!

No wonder he would not look Obama in the eye...

CR

[Olney Blue]

7. I really like it that Pelosi let Obama speak for the Dems.

[nc4bo]

8. Mclame pwned in his own game. No wonder he was pissed. k&r. nt

:kick:

[AZBlue]

9. Is that why McCain was such a pissy little shit last night?

[rucognizant]

98. I think..........

He is just a pissy little shit in general!~ Beyond the debate

[Supersedeas]

10. McRove exposed as a fraud yet again

[Binka]

11. Idiots Stomp On Their Own Dicks

Obama just unzipped MaLames pants and said "go ahead fuckwad." The nasty little narcissist just had to flee the room. McLame is so very predictable. If you've ever dealt with a malignant narcissist you will know what I am talking about. Everybody that KNOWS this filthy little shit has to loathe him.

[CoffeeCat]

14. So, McCain stomped out of the room...

...just because Obama asked him what he thought of the plan???

[bertman]

29. TwoSparkles, I think it was because Obama had a command of the issues, was the spokesman for the

Democratic delegation, and had put Paulson on the hot seat, WHILE McAnus was sitting there like a mute idiot, unable to offer any intelligent ideas or to counter his Nemesis, Obama.

But that's just my guess.

[dana_b]

82. and McSame's snarky remark about how he "appreciates leadership more".

What an ass. He really has NO respect for Obama whatsoever.

[Bette Noir]

37. McCain doesn't want to be put in a position where he has to take a stand.

He might be realizing that changing his position every twelve hours is hurting his rep.

[ShadowLiberal]

15. Just read the Washington Post article, I'm really impressed with Obama

I've got to say, Obama was really clever in how he handled that. I'm surprised that they managed to get so much information about what went on behind closed doors.

[Diamonique]

16. It serves him right for grandstanding.

His stupid idea of suspending his campaign to rush to D.C. and be the hero who solves the financial crisis was ridiculous. It smacked of political grandstanding. And I guess it was his idea to have Bush invite Obama.. just to pull him away from debate prep. So they both end up in D.C. where they really don't need to be anyway. A waste of Obama's time, and it just made McCain look silly.

[NewJeffCT]

18. when even Fox is saying it was a political move

you know it's bad for McCain.

[Bonobo]

17. Explains why he wouldn't make eye contact with Obama during the debates.

He is intimidated and afraid it will come out if he locks eyes.

[eshfemme]

19. Ah, so that's why John McCain refused to look Obama in the eyes.

Mccain knows that he blinked and Obama knows he's the alpha dog.

LOL, I'm pretty tickled pink about that. At least now, the Democrats kinda know how to push back whenever the Republicans try to play their lowball politics. But this bailout situation still sucks. The humiliation of John McCain is still basically a thin silver linng on a huge motherfucking thunder cloud.

[jillan]

21. That also explains why Obama was so confident, and looking directly at McCain all thru the debate...

even calling him 'John'.'


Hearing what happened in DC definitely makes last nite look different.

[Egnever]

38. Way different

it explains a lot. Wow just wow! What a candidate we have.

[HughMoran]

22. No wonder the grumpy grandstanding old cocksucking troll wouldn't look Obama in the eyes

What a fucking ASS HOLE McCain has shown himself to be.

[iiibbb]

23. Obama knows tactics and strategy... it's his best quality as a leader.

[lumpy]

24. Thanks for the article. That explains a lot about McCain's

petulant, rude demeanor during the debate. The man is a walking time bomb, a candidate for anger management.

[Arugula Latte]

41. That's why he couldn't look at Obama -- steam would have come out of his ears.

McCain is gonna blow a gasket soon.

[stillcool]

28. Poor John. He just can't

catch a photo-op break.

[bertman]

30. Note to Sponson: While I am thrilled and not surprised that Obama bested McAnus in the meeting,

it does not satisfy me that he "hit McCain hard enough."

Of course, it's great that he hit him hard, but who knows about it except those of us who are fanatical Kos and DU followers?

"Hitting Hard" in a presidential race is done in public and in a manner that shows the citizens of the republic that one can hit hard. I don't think that was achieved by Obama's hit in a closed-door Executive Session.

But it does explain McAnus' very angry demeanor, attitude, and posture during the debate.

The good news here is that Obama should be able to get McAnus to self-destruct in the next debate. A public meltdown would be the best thing that could happen in this race. It shouldn't be too difficult to engineer if the Obama campaign is willing to go for the jugular. Or they might decide to wait for the last debate--for dramatic effect.


Edited to say thanks for posting this Cal04.

[dana_b]

84. well, I have to disagree a little

He was smart. Yes, he did this behind doors because he wanted to get McCain's opinion on the record. Also, and more importantly, he was doing this for the country, Lastly, and the political angle of it, by pressing McCain behind closed doors, it irked McCain so much that he couldn't let it go. McCain looked like a total ass on Friday night when he wouldn't look Obama in the eye. THAT was great and I do believe that Obama knew that he was going to see something like this in public. He knows his opponent well. I wouldn't be surprised if McCain blows a gasket by the end of the third debate.

[Myrina]

31. ... why, in an interview today, did McLame say he was 'staying in DC ...

... to work on the resolution' or WTF-ever, making it look like he's so indispensible in the process, when he was totally ignored during the summit meeting? :shrug:

And, better question, why isn't the MEDIA calling him on the LIE that he suspended his campaign and went straight to DC despite Letterman's evidence to the contrary?

And why aren't they asking him why he's spending so much time in DC now, when up til Friday he hadn't cast a vote in the Senate since APRIL?

:shrug:

[lunatica]

61. He's gotta lick his wounds somewhere

And it plays better if he looks like he's taking charge. I said, 'looks like', not that he's really taking charge. If he runs home it definitely smells like a cowardly retreat since he had already 'suspended' the debate to take charge.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

32. Also the Dems treated Obama w/respsect and McCain got dissed by the Reps.

n/t

[Median Democrat]

33. John McCain Could Have Had A Draw If Answered Obama's Question

However, by sitting like silent little turd, McCain allowed the deal to fall apart, and how he is (rightly) blamed for the fuck up.

[BlueInPhilly]

34. Jackass!

"Bush turned to McCain, who joked, "The longer I am around here, the more I respect seniority." McCain then turned to Boehner and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to speak first. "

Another jab at Obama's "inexperience".

[BluegrassDem]

35. I've heard stories and anecdotes about Obama being a badass behind closed doors

AND I LOVE IT!! He's a tough mofo behind closed doors. He doesn't take shit off of anyone. I read that he even got up in Roger Ailes face when they had that meeting with Murdoch. And we all remember how he backed Lieberman against the wall and got up in his face. Obama is a man not to be fucked with. He doesn't play! Obama is the man to get things done!

[Bette Noir]

36. Ah, that explains why McCain couldn't look at Obama.

Obama had just humiliated him in front of the President and several of McCain's peers. McCain had wanted to look presidential, but wound up looking like a jackass.

Dear Lord, I wish the public could have seen this. Johnboy probably had to change his Depends.

[paulkienitz]

39. so McCain's basic problem in the debates is that he was seething (nt)

[Myrina]

75. ... or belatedly trying to show Obama (and maybe folks at that meeting)

... that he, too can be a badass. Un(?) fortunately, there were 10 million people watching the debate that weren't at that WH meeting & didn't have the context.

So McCain just looked like a cranky old jackass.

[appleannie1]

40. Loved this from the WP article.

One Republican in the room said it was clear that the Democrats came into the meeting with a "game plan" aimed at forcing McCain to choose between the administration and House Republicans. "They had taken McCain's request for a meeting and trumped it," said this source.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/26/AR2008092603957_pf.html

And the whiney old man got up and left the meeting. Can you imagine if he were president and the meeting was with Putin what the world's reaction would be?

[MooseGoose]

48. I thought it interesting, but possibly dangerous.

Of course, the details given in the article may or may not be true. Lots of anonymous sources.

If true, the article provides an interesting glimpse into the internal powerplays that go on in Congress - both the internal Republican powerplay to possibly unseat Boehner in the House, and the inter-party powerplay to squeeze McCain in the Bush meeting. It's a reminder that these guys are working on multiple levels a lot of the time. An Obama supporter may initially see this as a good thing, because "my guy" put one over on "their guy." But if the story line played to general public is that Obama was playing party politics while McCain was trying to help Joe Citizen, then that could hurt Obama big time. Remember all the public pronouncements on both sides about how it's not time to be Democrat or Republican? Now this article comes out telling the world that Obama refused to take off his Democrat hat. It fits the Republican attack theme that McCain is country first, while Obama is Obama first.

So, while I enjoyed the article and believe it is a reasonable representation of the events, I also wonder how it will play in Peoria.

[TheCoxwain]

55. You are talking through your backside.

It is more than clear .. that McCain wanted credit for something he had nothing to with .. and in fact ( sorry if it offends you) he tried to get involved with something way over his head ..

He and Sarah are indeed a pair !!!

Obama cut through McStunt's machinations and outmaneuvered him in a big way ... not for personal gain but from preventing John McCain taking down something Obama believes is needed for the country right now.

[MooseGoose]

57. Why would I be offended?

I agree completely that McCain was trying to claim credit for work he had very little to do with (and quite frankly should have little to do with based on his committee membership and expertise) and was/is in over his head. I was simply pointing out potential pitfalls that could arise if this story gets traction in the media. The Republican response may be that Obama's actions at the meeting were all about Obama and not about the Nation. And they wouldn't even blush at the irony of the claim!

[lunatica]

62. Self delete

[LiberalAndProud]

42. I suspect that many men who were in that room

won't be voting for McCain, regardless of party affiliation. How, in good conscience, could they?

[amandabeech]

44. On this issue, I don't give a you know what about whose is bigger.

I want a direct explanation of this mess, and a responsible bill that won't boomerang on either the country or the Dem party.

So far, I see a lot of Wall Street political contributions in action, and a lot of Wall Street Treasury Secretaries at work.

None of this is a good sign.

[depakid]

46. How is asking your opponent what they think "humiliating?"

:shrug:

I mean- isn't that simply what any reasonable person would do (or expect)?

[inna]

47. fascinating thread, great commentaries!

i agree with you though re. "humiliation" though - Obama was simply being a reasonable, responsible adult about it.

[TheCoxwain]

56. AGREED .. If McCain felt Humiliated .. That was not Obama's fault .. He asked a reasonable question

[MooseGoose]

49. Because it put McCain in a bind...

Basically he was being asked to say if he would support the House Repbulican views or not. No matter what his answer, he loses. If he says yes, he "betrays" the administration and undoes the work being done to that point. If he says no, he "betrays" the very people he claims he was trying to represent. If he waffles, he let's both sides down.

It reminded me of a story where President Lincoln took care of a member of his cabinet who was conspiring with Lincoln's political opponnents by holding a meeting with the entire cabinet and the opponnents, and then asking each of them where tehy stood on the key issue at hand (it's been a while since reading this, my details are gone!). Lincoln started with his most stalwart supporters in the cabinet and got "yes" votes for his position all down the line. when it came time for the troublesome member to vote he could either vote "no" all alone - showing he was not really working on Lincoln's behalf - or vote "yes" and show his Congress allies that his support was not reliable. He voted with Lincoln, and the oppositional alliance was broken. I think Lincoln made him ambassador to a far away place shortly thereafter.

Anyway, all Lincoln did was ask the meeting attendees what they thought of the issue, and it put the guy in a tight squeeze, ultimately humiliating him in front of his allies.

[qanda]

54. Cool story...

And welcome to DU! :hi:

[MooseGoose]

59. Thanks...

I read about it so long ago the names and details have long ago fled my mind, and I'm not in a Google mood to dredge them up. But the machinations have always intrigued me.

[depakid]

80. That's as fair an explanation as anyone could ask for.

Thanks for that!

[JI7]

50. the best part is that McCain brought all of this on himself

with the stupid phony demands, grandstanding etc.

he could have went on Letterman and maybe clips from that might have helped him and taken some attention away from the Palin Couric interview.

he would have went into the debates not feeling as angry and unable to look at Obama.

i wonder whose idea the whole thing was of suspending campaign, going to DC etc.

[Joe Chi Minh]

51. I'm sure I read somewhere there that McCain looked "little and angry".

And I don't expect to read a more apt and comical description of anyone or anything else, today.

The irony is that the Republicans have accused Democrats of being "angry" as if anger were some sort of absolute vice or weakness, irrespective of the context. Here, however, to me, it simply brings to my mind the nickname given by his trainer/employer to a very good, light-weight, jockey, here in the UK, when he was an apprentice, of the "angry ant".

I mean "little and angry" here, I don't think was intended as a serious character slur, because he is not considered as a serious politician. It was simply a comical comment on the impression he gave to the author of the remark; arguably, in fact, in political terms, the sum total of who he is: a fish out of water, who feels "entitled", but doesn't understand why "entitlement" might just not be enough at the highest levels of government. "I'm in charge. My father was an admiral and my grandfather was an admiral", somehow seem to miss the mark - despite the evidently charmed career his family connections were able to afford him in his life up to now, to some extent, even as a POW.

Now with the demands of expertise replacing those of might, it's really a replay of the old joke about the man who owned a vast estate replying to a man who asked him how he'd managed to get it. It had been passed on by his ancestors down the centuries. "Well how did your first ancestor get it?" "He fought for it". "Well put up your mitts and I'll fight you for it now;" the only difference being that where the fate of nations is concerned, unless that "entitlement" is matched by real expertise for government, social "clout" is simply, at best, a liability and at worst, a liability and joke.

Putting McCain or Palin up against Obama is like matching Woody Allan against Mohammed Ali. The man's a professor of law.

[H2O Man]

52. Very interesting.

It makes a lot of sense.

Nominated.

[jules1962]

53. the more I think about it

The more McCain reminds me of Bush. If I may offer the similarities..

Temperament problems
Stubborness
Trying to outdo their accomplished fathers
Raised by dominating mother
Really bad grades in school
Huge ego
Both prone to outbursts
Don't like to think things through. Like to go by gut instinct.
Problems remembering important names,places,etc.
Like to manipulate press coverage by Rovian tactics(or is it strategies)lol
Warmongers
Picked bloodthirsty VP nominees
Grew up with plenty of money, but call their opponents elitists

I can't think of any more right now. Blood pressure rising and stomach is getting queasy.

[lunatica]

63. Your list is a clinical description of a narcissist

You might add the word bully. There's a very good reason why everyone thinks he's more Bush than Bush. His temper makes him even more dangerous along with the fact that he doesn't have a Cheney or Condi to sooth him or distract him.

[liberalla]

58. woohoo! "McCain more than blinked"

"He confronted McCain directly, and McCain more than blinked, he stomped out of the self-convened high stakes meeting Bob Novak style."

I feel a little immature (sadistic?) right now - enjoying the visual of McCain being humiliated and losing his cool. I'll have to work on that.
:blush:

[lunatica]

69. Yeah, you need to work on that guilt

Let it go and try to embrace your enjoyment. They've enjoyed putting the screws to us for years and years. A little payback is in order. A karmic adjustment is due.

[lunatica]

60. Politics is a game of chess and Obama

checked McCain at that meeting, forcing McCain to leave rather than keep playing the game. McCain didn't leave in a huff. He left because he didn't dare make a move that would result in being checkmated. The move was also significant because he did it in front of Bush and all the Party leadership and they were caught by surprise. I hear Bush whined to Pelosi to please just lie for him so he could be seen to be the 'fixer guy'. And Paulson went down on bended knee to Pelosi to do some groveling. Then Obama again checked McCain at the debate. It worked because he won with the Independents in a big way which turns out the be the check mate move that ended McCain's very bad week.

And so many of Obama's supporters were whining about what a nice guy he was being to McCain! LOL! He finessed the entire Republican leadership and the President himself in that room! We might have never known about this.

this is the man I want talking to Putin. Civil, intelligent and sharp as a tack. A man who understands the subtleties of power and doesn't need to smirk, swagger, strut or hand out snarky nicknames.

Updated to add the last part

[MooseGoose]

66. Good analogy and "last part." - nt

No, really, nt!

[all.of.me]

64. That's part of why he couldn't look Obama in the eye the following night...

[FSogol]

65. It was a trap! A trap for McCain.

:-)

[Ilsa]

70. Obama is a thoroughly decent person. He isn't looking to humiliate

anyone publicly, even his rival. He will work for what is in the best interests of the nation, then work it politically to his advantage, which is required in these times. Obama will be able to get things done when the GOP can't because McCain is only a titular head of party.

Obama is one cool dude.

[Median Democrat]

87. Unlike McCain, Obama Is Ruthless, But Not Cruel...

Obama is not looking to humiliate anyone, which leads some folks to say that he lacks a killer instinct. Even when Obama asked, "John, do you support the plan?" and McCain did not answer, that was not designed to humiliate McCain. Rather, McCain was humiliated because he did not have the foresight, intelligence or political will to take a stand. If McCain strongly supported the bailout, at least some House Republicans would have supported him.

This is also part of McCain's mistake. His campaign tries to portray Obama as naive and a pansy, yet when you read accounts like this and the New Yorker article on Obama, or simply listen to Obama speak, you understand that Obama does not back down, but he also does not try to humiliate and destroy, which some people mistake for weakness.

[ann_american2004]

89. MCCAIN WALKED OUT WHEN ASKED HIS OPINION

And every time at the debate when Obama said, "John makes a good point" or "I agree with John", I really wonder if McCain was fretting over a big missed opportunity for discussion lost by his big ego and fear. Every time Obama said that, it must have been a knife twist to McCain's self confidence.

what could have been if he hadnt been a big chicken...

edit:punctuation

[DCBob]

71. Well done! Obama shows his brilliance once again.

:toast:

Too bad there is no vid of that encounter.

[backscatter712]

72. Feels good to be on the giving end of the bitchslap for a change!

Yeah, I admit I should be better than wanting to humiliate my opponents.

But I'm not. :evilgrin:

[Roland99]

73. Poor Johnny Mac!

[BumRushDaShow]

74. I guess my question is whether it was a repuke double-cross against McLame

or whether McLame truly went all out to trump his party and his inside staff had not completed their preparations in time for him to make his presentation. In either case, he lost that round.

The proceedings about the meeting certainly do explain why McLame was a piss ant at the debate, and as another poster noted, why Obama continually used the "familiar" by addressing McLame as "John", when McLame never used Obama's first name. It was basically the alpha dog display, with the downcast eyes displayed by the now-defeated challenger and the champion having the right to directly look at the defeated.

[MasonJar]

76. No wonder McCain was so rude to Obama at the debate. He was

mad and cannot control his temper.

[Phred42]

77. So What! Obama and the Dems now OWN this Abortion

Heckova Job

:banghead:

See you in the FEMA Camps

[krkaufman]

78. What a stupid WaPo headline for the story... "How McCain Stirred a Simmering Pot"

Isn't stirring a simmering pot a good thing, to keep it from burning? What McCain did was *NOT* beneficial, at least not intentionally or intelligently.

[tanyev]

79. Dang. We really need a Nelson Muntz "Ha-ha" smiley.

[electron_blue]

83. hot damn. everybody knows. and McCain knows. The next few weeks are going

to be incredibly painful for McCain.

[paparush]

85. Smartest Motherf#ckers in the Room!!!!!

[Life Long Dem]

90. McSame is not fit to run the country.

Who wants a president who storms out of meetings stomping his feet in anger?

That's the shoot first ask for talks later maverick kind of guy he is.

[polichick]

91. McCain is like any blowhard hollow man - pissed when someone sees through him...

Kudos to Obama ~ that's called making lemonade out of lemons I believe!

[jwirr]

93. One thing we should add is the statement when McShame could

not pronounce a hard name during the debate. "It's okay John we all have problems with hard names." What a zinger in light of what this OP is telling us. Sympathy from the man who humiliated him. LOL

[whistle]

95. Humiliation is in the "eye of the beholder", if McCain had something

...significant to say and said it he would not have allowed himself to be humiliated. McCain was there in that room mainly for Grand-standing and not to add anything material to the discussions.

[ailsagirl]

97. Didn't Mcpain just sit there are not say a word???

That's what I heard (from Biden? Obama?-- at any rate, a trusted source)