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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:58 AM
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NYT: Bailout agreement--in accordance with all of Obama's principles--reached 1230am Sunday
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 06:23 AM by ProgressiveEconomist



IMO, this victory is quite a demonstration of Obama's leadership, even before he has all the legal authority of a President!

What's your opinion?


From http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/28/business/28bailout.html



Breakthrough Reached in Negotiations on Bailout



By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN and CARL HULSE



WASHINGTON--Congressional leaders and the Bush administration reached a tentative agreement early Sunday on what may become the largest financial bailout in American history, authorizing the Treasury to purchase $700 billion in troubled debt from ailing firms in an extraordinary intervention to prevent widespread economic collapse. Officials said that Congressional staff members would work through the night to finalize the language of the agreement and draft a bill, and that the bill would be brought to the House floor for a vote on Monday. The bill includes pay limits for some executives whose firms seek help, aides said. And it requires the government to use its new role as owner of distressed mortgage-backed securities to make more aggressive efforts to prevent home foreclosures. In some cases, the government would receive an equity stake in companies that seek aid, allowing taxpayers to profit should the rescue plan work and the private firms flourish in the months and years ahead. The White House also agreed to strict oversight of the program by a Congressional panel and conflict-of-interest rules for firms hired by the Treasury to help run the program. ....



Congressional leaders and Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. emerged from behind closed doors to announce the tentative agreement at 12:30 a.m. Sunday, after two days of marathon meetings. In the final hours of negotiations ... a series of phone calls was taking place, including conversations between Ms. Pelosi and President Bush; between Mr. Paulson and the two presidential candidates, Senator John McCain and Senator Barack Obama; and between the candidates and top lawmakers. A senior administration official who participated in the talks said the deal was effectively done. 'I know of no unresolved open issues for principals,' the official said. ....



In announcing a tentative agreement, lawmakers and the administration achieved their goal of sending a reassuring message ahead of Monday¡s opening of the Asian financial markets. ... Among the last sticking points was an unexpected and bitter fight over how to pay for any losses that taxpayers may experience after distressed debt has been purchased and resold. Democrats had pushed for a fee on securities transactions, essentially a tax on financial firms, saying it was fitting that they contribute to the cost. In the end, lawmakers and the administration opted to leave the decision to the next president, who must present a proposal to Congress to pay for any losses. Officials said they had also agreed to include a proposal by House Republicans that gives the Treasury secretary an additional option of issuing government insurance for troubled financial instruments as a way of reducing the amount of taxpayer money spent up front on the rescue effort. The Treasury would be required to create the insurance program, officials said, but not necessarily to use it. Mr. Paulson had expressed little interest in that plan, and initial cost projections suggested it would be enormously expensive. ....



And immediately after the news conference, staff members began efforts to finalize the language. Even then, their work is hardly over. Congressional leaders who want the bailout to pass with solid bipartisan support had already begun to anxiously court votes, mindful of the difficulty they could face in a high-stakes election year. Public opinion polls show the bailout plan to be deeply unpopular. Conservative Republicans have denounced the plan as an affront to free market capitalism, while some liberal Democrats criticize it as a giveaway to Wall Street. Representative Roy Blunt of Missouri, the chief negotiator for House Republicans, ... expressed some satisfaction but did not commit his members¡ support.... Aides described a tense meeting on Saturday afternoon that included Senator Max Baucus, Democrat of Montana, shouting at Mr. Paulson about executive pay caps. ... At one point, when too much information was leaking out, staff members¡ BlackBerrys were confiscated and collected in a trash bin....



The money will disbursed in parts, with an initial $250 billion to get the rescue effort under way, followed by another $100 billion upon a report by Mr. Bush to Congress. The president could then request the balance of $350 billion at any time. If Congress disapproved, it would have to act within 15 days to deny the Treasury the money. ... Some lawmakers have made clear that they will not vote for the bailout plan under virtually any terms. 'I didn¡t want to be in the negotiations because I object to the basic principles of this,' said Senator Richard C. Shelby of Alabama, the senior Republican on the banking committee, who would normally be his party's point man. Pressed about his role, Mr. Shelby replied, 'My position is 'No'.' ...



In a brief speech on the Senate floor, Senator Kent Conrad, Democrat of North Dakota, said: 'It's not just going to be Wall Street. The chairman of the Federal Reserve has told us if the credit lockup continues, three million to four million Americans will lose their jobs in the next six months.' Some Democrats had sought to direct 20 percent of any such profits to help create affordable housing, but Republicans opposed that and demanded that all profits be returned to the Treasury.

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:19 AM
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1. Yes...He Showed Bigtime Leadership
I know people here aren't gonna be happy no matter what, but this "crisis" was too far gone to just ignore or try to make some political stand. Instead, Senator Obama and House & Senate Democrats acted united and got some important concessions built into this stop-gap bill. This isn't a solution to the problem, only a band-aid, but at least one that forced the booosh regime into oversight and enables this deal to be broken into pieces...not a blank check...that can be reviewed and revoked. A lot depends on who wins the election...thus this kicks that ticking time bomb past November 5th...and if Senator Obama wins, then a new deal can and must be worked out.

The point of an economy in the shitters has been made...and the troubles will continue. This "bail-out" won't turn the markets around tomorrow...but it may prevent further crashes...and ease up the credit crunch that is suffocating a lot of small business in this country. Again, this is far from a perfect bill and I expect we'll be revisiting this entire fiasco after the election...along with the need to find out whose responsible for what's happened. A lot depends on the elections.

The other side exposed their deep riffs. Unlike Senator Obama...Gramps rambled in and made a mess of things. Instead of bringing people together, he was a distraction who brought his media circus into this mess and came out a big loser. No matter how pissed some here will be at Democrats "selling out" again, it's nothing like the shitstorm going on in the shrinking GOOP tent...the knives are out BEFORE the election.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 07:47 AM
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10. "enables this deal to be broken into pieces...that can be reviewed and revoked" Well said.
Well said. Now this is a $250 billion deal, not much more than Treasury and the Fed might have spent on financial rescues through year-end under their existing authorities.

Further, the executive pay cap and equity warrants for taxpayers are "poison pills" that will restrict voluntary participation to only the sickest of financial institutions, bringing down expenditures before Inauguration Day even further.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:42 AM
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2. K/R.
:kick:
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:51 AM
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3. I see dumb people.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 07:13 AM
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4. ??? Meaning?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 09:04 AM
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17. Take a look at the picture in the OP.
A joke explained is a failed joke. But if you insist: in the movie The Sixth Sense the little kid 'sees dead people' including of course the quite dead but not ready to accept it Bruce Willis. In the photo above I See Dumb People. Need I continue?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 07:26 AM
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5. We are fucked
This is the largest government takeover in history. Say goodbye to credit, small business loans, small businesses period, big taxes for the middle class, nothing for the poor, no health care ever.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 07:33 AM
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6. Bad credit is a huge part of the nation's problems now.
Bad extension and use of credit. Eliminating some of these bloated and corrupt practices and helping people to learn to live within their means is not entirely a bad thing.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 07:38 AM
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7. Credit is not the only problem
the bad paper is the problem
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 07:40 AM
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9. I know, but I don't think it is necessarily bad if a huge chunk of credit
disappears from the market now.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 08:19 AM
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15. An element of true genius in the plan may have come from Obama's insistence on foreclosure preventio...
foreclosure prevention. As owner of large numbers of "CDOs", each made up of pieces of hundreds of individual mortgages, Treasury could increase their value by working out realistic payment temrs with homeowners rather than putting them in the street.

Indiviudal CDO owners would not have been able to profit from such help for ordinary working people.

From http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/23/opinion/23kashyap.html?ref=opinion&pagewanted=print :

"The $700 Billion Question By ANIL K KASHYAP and JEREMY C. STEIN September 23, 2008 Op-Ed Contributor

"Beyond just buying and holding, a second job for the agency might be to restructure the mortgages it acquires. For example, it could reduce required interest payments so that fewer homeowners default on their loans. Done well, this could avoid costly foreclosures, thereby benefiting homeowners while also raising the value of the securities that the government has bought. This sort of restructuring has been difficult until now, because individual mortgages have been sliced and diced, and the pieces widely scattered. However, if the new agency winds up owning a majority of all problem mortgages, reconfiguring them so that interest payments are lower may become practical."

BTW, the authors of this op-ed are the brains behind the fundamental "insurance" idea McCain, Ryan (R, WI), and the House Republicans insisted upon (see their very technical paper at http://www.kc.frb.org/publicat/sympos/2008/KashyapRajanStein.08.08.08.pdf ). But of course insurance must be bought in good times, not while you're on your way to the operating room.
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SDJay Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 09:42 AM
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22. True, but as a small business owner...
this is a huge problem even for those, like our operation, that are not credit risks. I've managed to completely fund the first three years of our business without credit, but as we continue to get bigger, this mess has forced me to change course completely in my planning. Basically, instead of adding new employees right now and working with the bank on some very short-term extensions of credit to make payroll until the new clients start with their regular payments, I have to wait and get a hold of their cash and basically save another three months worth of overhead (we have 6 months' worth in cash reserve now, but that's only going to be used for the worst of situations - otherwise we're saving it to buy a building) before I can add to our infrastructural needs. Not only does that mean that me and my employees will have to basically kill ourselves for the rest of this year, but that's four more jobs that won't be added to the country's payroll until then all because of this shitstorm of greed. I'm sure our business is one of millions in this situation, and even though it's a better spot than countless other businesses, this is the 'Main Street' effect Obama has been talking about. Thanks, greedy Wall St. crooks and neo-con enablers.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 08:00 AM
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12. "largest govt takeover in history" Probably not. Treasury already authorized $200B
already authorized $200 billion for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac earlier this month (see, for example, http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/realestate/2008207131_fannie28.html ), and that was for just two companies.

The first "tranche" of today's bailout, after which President Obama could terminate it, caps expenditures at $250 billion for potentially hundreds of companies (see the next-to-last paragraph in the OP and posts numbes 1 and 10). And "poison pills" for companies voluntarily participating in the planl likely will keep total expenditures from the authorized money far below $200 billion by Inauguration Day
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 07:40 AM
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8. It absolutely shows great leadership. It's Presidential.
Unlike the craven political opportunism and obstructionism of Senator Obama's opponent.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 07:52 AM
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11. question: was it a 250billion bailout before mcstupid threw a wrench in it or
was it 700 billion back then? My prediction is this will be his spin.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 08:55 AM
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16. McCain would have a hard time taking credit for a Chuck Schumer proposal broadcast
live on Monday, the day before McCain admitted he had not read Paulson's 3-page proposal.

In a Senate hearing, Schumer wanted the first "chunk" to be $150 billion.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 08:02 AM
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13. Why does it look like this is going to be spun for Republicans?
Democrats are in charge, and yet they keep letting Republicans kick their asses.

Where is the leadership in the Democratic party? Seems like Bush is their leader.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 08:18 AM
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14. This band aide is not going to solve anything
There is a crisis in confidence and trowing money at this mess without substantive reform will just make more of the same. This is picture of frightened politicians thinking that they are saving their ass till after the election. This is not good and will only make things worse in the long run. This is a wonderful picture though. I will save a copy so i can make a nice size poster. At the bottom will be the inscription

stupid bankrupt politicians
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 09:24 AM
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20. I know. "Bailout Could Deepen Crisis, CBO Chief Says"
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 09:25 AM
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21. I've read that the bill will be available..
on the net prior to the vote. I don't know, but perhaps you might want to read what's in it prior to condemnation? I am not too knowledgeable about all this, but I look forward to seeing how those who are react to the final bill.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 09:16 AM
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18. He also showed leadership in getting all parties to agree to an Iraq withdrawal timeline
Pretty amazing. He has such a grasp of how to use soft power that he can do the president's job without even being president. Kind of the opposite of the current fellow.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 09:21 AM
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19. “This was never going to be a bill that was going to make people happy"
Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the lead negotiator for the House Democrats, said that there was no expectation of making anyone smile.

“This was never going to be a bill that was going to make people happy,” he said. “No solution to a problem can be more elegant than the problem itself. We are dealing with a very difficult problem.”


-- I don't see any cause for celebration here. So I will try to hold back my judgement until we see the final bill.

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