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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:19 PM
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The Democrats Response on Bailout Prove that Democrats Love the Country MORE
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 05:19 PM by redstate_democrat
The Democrats didn't have to listen to Paulson or any Republican regarding this bailout. They could have shot it down in midair. They didn't because they understand that not doing something would cause a cataclysmic reaction throughout our economy. They could have, for political purposes, allowed the catastrophe to occur and then run against that. Instead, the Democrats, the moral conscious of this country, showed true leadership and tried to work with this very unpopular president to do something before the house burned down.

Think of it this way: Republicans abused this country for 8 long years. They abused Democrats. They abused the average taxpayer and worker. They abused their positions and responsibilities. Then, as soon as the shit hit the fan, an act that threatened to destroy our very way of life, who did they run to, to fix it? The Democrats. Democrats always have to fix it. The Republicans are sociopaths. They are arsonists. They burn down houses and Democrats have to come along and put out the fire and rebuild. And Democrats get no thanks for it. We are demonized again and again.

It has never been "Country First" with Republicans. They are purely "me first". This is a perfect example. Democrats could have easily made this a campaign issue and let the whole damn thing blowup with massive foreclosures, massive layoffs, skyrocketing unemployment rates, lost pension plans and 401ks, massive business closures, massive bank failures, students would have been kicked out of college for failure to pay and as a result, hundreds of colleges would have had to literally close its doors, world-wide pandemonium. This action would have guaranteed Democratic rule for decades. Yet, they didn't.

If Republicans would have been in the position Democrats are in (unpopular Democratic president, massive failures by Democrats for 8 years, etc.) they would have used this as a campaign issue and let the whole country fall into a deep depression just to win a single election.

This is what would have happened if Congress did not do something:

Within weeks, at least 3 million jobs would have been lost. We would have experienced the highest unemployment rate on record. Millions of people would have lost their 401ks and pension plans. The entire car industry would come to a screeching halt. People would have literally been thrown out on the street under the weight of lack of credit in the market and foreclosures. College students would not have had their student loans for the spring semester. Small business owners would have had to shut their doors because their credit lines would disappear. Retail sales would plummet. Multiple industries would feel the effect of the dominoes collapsing- airline industry, consumer goods, not to mention the bank failures which would have occurred, putting a tremendous strain on the federal government with FDIC, and many insurance companies would not have been able to meet its obligations.

This is the deal. This is what Republicans have done to us. Hopefully, the American people aren't crazy enough to put another out of touch Republican in office.

What led to this?

-Massive deregulation with the belief that the "market" could police and "correct itself".
-Lobbyists who set the agenda in Washington.
-Greed, selfishness, and irresponsibility
-unchecked and reckless speculation in the commodities and financial markets, spurred by deregulation
-An economic philosophy that demands that all of the nation's wealth be concentrated with a few multimillionaires in the top 1%
-Tax cuts for the wealthy in a time of war, while we borrow billions from China and other foreign nations
-a broken health care system that forces people into bankruptcy and constructively taxes people's health, driving down take home pay making it harder for people to keep up with their bills and way of life
-trade policies that shortchange and undercut the average worker, creating an environment that keeps wages and benefits FLAT
-trickle down economic policies that DON'T promote economic growth, but instead merely concentrates economic power in the hands of a few millionaires/billionaires
-a foreign policy that does not keep us more safe, but makes us less safe by damaging our economy at home, our reputation around the world, and requiring that we, the taxpayer, spend upwards of 20 billion a month on wars and occupations around the world in pursuit of ghosts.
-the idea that workers should just be happy to have a job, even if that job is crap with no benefits
-policies that are aimed at diluting the power of the worker to collectively bargain with companies for better wages and benefits
-an educational system that doesn't teach our kids, but sets them up for failure because the schools aren't adequately funded to achieve the demands placed on them

We must fix these things before the system can even pretend to be somewhere in the realm of fair. These principles are what Democrats have been working towards all along. Democrats don't want to spoil the fun or punish the rich, we just think the rich shouldn't be given a free license to do as these please at the expense of the middle class, working poor, and the impoverished.
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Salviati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:22 PM
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1. The Democrats are great at fixing a broken economy.
The Republicans are great at running a working economy...into the ground.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:32 PM
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5. Exactly.
I can't see why any sane adult would ever willingly vote for a Republican. They are notorious for causing more problems for the American people. Name one good Republican who left office with a budget surplus, peace, and good economy?

Who was the last decent Republican? I would have to say Dwight Eisenhower. Not since then has there been one worthy of high office.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:26 PM
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2. What Have The Democrats Ever Done For Us?
Reg: They've taxed us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, not just from us, from our fathers and from our fathers' fathers.

Stan: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.

Reg: Yes.

Stan: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.

Reg: All right, Stan. Don't labor the point. And what have they ever given us in return? (he pauses smugly)

Xerxes: Social Security?

Reg: What?

Xerxes: Social Security.

Reg: Oh yeah, yeah they gave us that. Yeah. That's true.

Masked Commando: And Civil Rights!

Stan: Oh yes ... Civil Rights, Reg, you remember what the city used to be like.

Reg: All right, I'll grant you that the Social Security and Civil Rights are two things that the Democrats have done ...

Matthias: And Public Works ...

Reg: (sharply) Well yes obviously Public Works... the roads go without saying. But apart from the Social Security, the Civil Rights and Public Works ...

Another Masked Commando: Electrification ...

Other Masked Voices: Medicare ... Education ... Health

Reg: Yes ... all right, fair enough ...

Commando Nearer The Front: And repealing prohibition ...

General Audience: Oh yes! True!

Francis: Yeah. That's something we'd really miss if the Democrats left, Reg.

Masked Commando At Back: Clean environment!

Stan: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now.

Francis: Yes, they certainly know how to keep order ... (general nodding) ... let's face it, they're the only ones who could in a place like this. (more general murmurs of agreement)

Reg: All right ... all right ... but apart from Social Security and Civil Rights and education and electrification and health care and roads and a clean environment and public order ... what have the Democrats done for us?

Xerxes: Brought peace!

Reg: (very angry, he's not having a good meeting at all) What!? Oh ... (scornfully) Peace, yes ... shut up!

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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:50 PM
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7. Everything that's good about America came from a Democrat.
Period.

Everything that is bad came out of a Republican, except for these decent Republicans:

Abraham Lincoln (except, he wasn't really a Republican. He was a "Radical Republican", which would be today's equivalent of the Democratic Party. No way in hell would Thaddeus Stevens, one of the leaders of the Radical Republicans, if alive today would be a Republican. He would have probably been on the same political wavelength of a John Kerry.)
Ulysses Grant (Although he was terrible for the economy, I think he was pivotal, of course, during the Civil War, during Reconstruction and he signed the first Civil Rights Acts. He was good enough for ex-slaves and was also a Radical Republican).
Theodore Roosevelt
Dwight Eisenhower
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:26 PM
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3. So tomorrow magically all is well. Think again. This is a decades problem, that we will pay
trillions for.

This changes nothing. Absolutely nothing. We are just now on the hook for it.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:00 PM
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8. When has it ever been magically well?
Clinton came into office facing a huge budget deficit and massive national debt. Not to mention we were in a recession. Democrats always find a way to make it better for working people. As long as we don't have to put up with dumb ass Republicans on obstructionist witch hunts, then we can actually get some work done. It's amazing what we can do if we have smart people in charge who are IN TOUCH with Americans and actually knows what the problems are and how to fix them.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:28 PM
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4. Right-on, thanks for an excellent post. The dems had to do something that was against principles
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 05:29 PM by EV_Ares
that many of them held. Yet, they put their country first before their own political ideology about Wall Street and the corporations that have fought against the dems over the years.

They along with Obama can be proud of their job on this unfortunate matter.

K&R.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:05 PM
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10. Exactly.
We know Obama and the Democrats HATE THIS. If it was just about Wall Street, they would just let the sucker burn to the ground. But it is more complicated than that, unfortunately. I was initially against this bailout because I didn't understand what was at stake. I was offended by Paulson's 3 page proposal. But the Democrats, of course, scrapped that and rewrote the thing to make it at least palatable for the people. If left to the House Republicans, we would have a bill written by lobbyists that offers MORE deregulation, more tax cuts for the wealthy, without actually fixing the problem, requiring banks with no money to pay for insurance. How does that work, exactly? Their idea was dumb, just like the last 8 years. And this cockamamie plan was actually supported by John McCain, the dumbest of them all!
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:39 PM
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6. loving the country means getting the repugs out of power
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:01 PM
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9. Democrats depend on the people to be smart enough to vote for them.
We are a so-called democracy.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:18 PM
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11. kick
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:42 PM
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12. I've been saying this exact thing to my household for days. They DON'T love their country...
they love themselves. We Dems do the right thing, often to our own political detriment. We are the ones who love this country.

K&R
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:45 PM
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13. Exactly.
We love this country and it shows, clearer than EVER right now.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:50 PM
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14. kicking for a great post!
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