senseandsensibility
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:36 AM
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Why are we buying into the Palin propaganda? |
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Even liberals on the tee-vee seem to be buying into it. Directly after a report about how most Americans think she is unqualified to be VP, non rightwing pundits opine that she has "it" and will be a force to be reckoned with.
Something is behind this, and it isn't the facts, the polls, or anything rational. She is being forced upon us. This is just the beginning.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:41 AM
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1. No, frighteningly, there's some truth there . . . |
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While I find her to be a perfect gorgon, she can deliver a red-meat hate speech riff quite well -- better than McCain, in fact -- and has some charm and charisma. She's not stupid, either, just ignorant, narrow, and obtuse.
Most of her political deficiencies can be overcome with experience and counseling by handlers more competent than McCain has been able to hire. And she's hungry -- she has the fire in the belly.
Frankly I hate the bitch (no insult intended to female canines), and for that reason will treat her with the same respect I'd give a scorpion or a cornered rat.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:45 AM
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2. Yes, but it has already been proven through current polling |
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that NO ONE is buying this except the base. The base of the repug party can't win anything. Still, the corporate media is pushing her.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:51 AM
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:55 AM
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7. Two things going on, IMO: |
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1) Most people *have* already ticked the harridan box next to her name. At the same time, there are literally millions of people who see in her their vision of what a pol should be (frightening, I know). There's some there there.
2) The media does not want to get within a country mile of the "landslide" story, for fear of being Trumanned. Consequently, they're playing up Palin's few, minor virtues.
Which is not to say that I don't see trouble down the road with Palin. Opportunists will flock to her regardless of the outcome of Tuesday's election.
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Sat Nov-01-08 02:06 AM
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11. Have to disagree with you on one point |
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She is stupid. The VP candidate being unfamiliar with constitution is stupidity.
I agree with the rest of your post. There are enough Repub pundits and professionals that know she's unqualified for any office, let alone the presidency. The unfortunate thing the repub base love her.
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Sat Nov-01-08 02:19 AM
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14. You cut to the chase. |
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And I, for one, appreciate it.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:47 AM
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She will make a mockery of the GOP once again.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:50 AM
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4. I guess they don't want their names in the the McCain's campaign infamous shitlist |
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Edited on Sat Nov-01-08 01:50 AM by icetea
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:51 AM
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6. Losers never resurface |
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Not one Vice Presidential loser has ever won the Presidency.
And, on memory, other than Goldwater none has ever won the nomination.
Palin will destroy the party -- although that's not fair to her. The forces she represents are what destroyed the party -- combined with Bush's incompetence.
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Sat Nov-01-08 01:57 AM
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8. Well thought out post. |
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Thank you for your insight.
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Sat Nov-01-08 02:04 AM
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10. Stole it from Lawrence whathisname . . . |
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Often on MSNBC as a commentator. He hates Palin.
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Sat Nov-01-08 02:26 AM
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16. Wasn't Mondale Humphry's VP choice? |
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Sat Nov-01-08 06:12 AM
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22. Nixon? oh, he lost to JFK but as a Presidential candidate, not VP ? NT |
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Sat Nov-01-08 06:16 AM
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23. the GOP loves to recycle their losers |
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Nixon lost in 60 to resurface in 68.
Reagaon lost in 76 and came back in 1980. Rockefeller was too liberal for most of the GOP to run again.
Bush lost in 1980, and came back in 1988.
The GOP hasn't had a lot of election losers since 1968, either.
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Sat Nov-01-08 06:39 AM
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24. She fractures even the R party itself ... |
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What is the "base?"
Is it the 25% base, or the 45% base?
Palin turns away more votes than she brings, by a long mile. People want to give her credit for "bringing the base" except that base is going to vote R if it is Joe the Plumber or Joe the child molester.
Look at the last two weeks - every day, some prominent R comes out for BO/Against the McCain ticket and evicerates Palin as the reaason. Palin is NEVER, N E V E R going to bring the republican coalition together in the majority needed to win a presidential election, cause she is a SHE, and has a negative sum international chops - that is a substantative group of R support. Bad enough she is a woman who is by all reasoned observation completely out of her league in dealing with internatinoal affairs.
She also is not particularly appealing to the Libertarians, who have been programmed enough to hate Ds like an STD, but many of which are ideologically "pure" enough to not buy into someone who is a complete joke.
Then, cut outside of party lines, and most non Rs see her to be course and abrasive, and WHAT POSITIVE vision has see brought forth this campaign - NONE.
Sorry, she might not be "stupid" but she certainly is not intellectually armed to develop the next generation of R bullspit necessary to win over Is. It is DARN easy to drop red meat bombs on braindead partisan Rs, but it is a WHOLE nother thing to develop the bullspit package the Rs need to have to con enough moderates into voting their way to win an election.
And, this is not even taking into account her reality TVesqu family life.
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Sat Nov-01-08 06:47 AM
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Good post. And anecdotally, the only people I hear saying they like Palin are the wingnut base - the same group that would re-elect Dumbya even if he raped a goat on national TV.
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Sat Nov-01-08 02:01 AM
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Edited on Sat Nov-01-08 02:10 AM by political_Dem
That's why journalists and bloggers outside of the MSM should keep the AIP, health records, travelgate and all the other scandals in the news.
I believe that she's dangerous if she gets even the smallest whiff of power. If she becomes a media darling, then we as a country are in deep trouble because she is able to mainstream her far right wing, separatist views into the public. That doesn't bode well for the folks who don't fit into her narrow-minded view of America.
So, I'd view those hate-speeches that she gives with a hint of caution.
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Sat Nov-01-08 02:08 AM
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You've summarized my feelings perfectly. I just wonder why some "middle of the road" or even "Democratic" talking heads don't seem to get it.
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Sat Nov-01-08 02:13 AM
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13. What separates serious journalists from talking heads is having a sense of history. |
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Edited on Sat Nov-01-08 02:14 AM by political_Dem
Then they can understand that Sarah Palin is George Wallace and Adoph Hitler in a prettier package.
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Sat Nov-01-08 02:23 AM
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15. She will lose, finish her term as Governor, (or not), then run for the Senate. She is desparate |
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Edited on Sat Nov-01-08 02:28 AM by gbrooks
to go to Washington so she and the Dude can start rakin in that K street cash.
She doesn't give a shit about Alaska and can't wait to get outa there.
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Sat Nov-01-08 02:29 AM
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17. She's dubya in a skirt alright |
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and that is really scary.
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Sat Nov-01-08 02:36 AM
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18. No worse than Dubya. He's lazy and a member of the Neo Con elite. She's ruthlessly arriviste |
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Sat Nov-01-08 02:36 AM
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19. The republicans keep America divided on purpose. |
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Anybody controversial and divisive works for their benefit. I think her image makers are making people love her or hate her 50/50. Their trying to make another W on purpose.
We're going to see her rolled out, whenever the M$M needs to distract us from the real news.
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Sat Nov-01-08 02:37 AM
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20. WHY are you saying 'WE' ? |
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WHY do you listen to RW pundits and ask us for their answers ?
'WE' are not buying into it ....
And 'WE' couldn't care LESS about what RW pundits are saying about Palin or mudpies .....
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