MY GOD PEOPLE WAKE UP!

[JJ]

reading through threads seeing posts about Huckabee or Crist, or other Republicans, about how they're OK now, decent fellow this and that.

There are NO decent Republicans! Period (elected officials, or party officials, not referring to your ignorant neighbor who watches Fox)

Not after 12/12/2000

They took part in hijacking our democracy, TWICE.

Any decent Republican left the Party after the Sleazey Five appointed Bush as President, very damnm few if any did, so there weren't too many to begin with.

Rant over.

[PretzelWarrior]

1. I wholeheartedly disagree with your post and its premise

you don't expand the group by being "take no prisoners". I am in the front of line wanting much more than a DEM victory November 4. I want Cheney doing the jailhouse shuffle. I want Bush's life to be a miserable succession of lawsuits, trials, and other public flaying.

BUt to say there are no good Republicans? Get real.

[Breeze54]

4. The republicans not in office are the only good one's. n/t

[Hope08]

6. I'm with you, bro

We're going to win this thing, and then we need to govern and govern well. And to do that, we need to invest as many folks as possible in the future of this country. Yea, there are lots of Republicans out there who we can't work with, but there are also plenty we can work with. I'm talking about the folks who may not agree with me on how to structure universal health care (their solution may require a more market-based approach), but who agree on the need for it. When Barack says that we **all** love our country, that is a true statement.

[olegramps]

184. We all love our country?

What I have experienced is that far too many Republicans put their party loyalty first and their country last. Many of them are so damn brain dead that they support their own economic suicide. Some of the Republicans that I know say they now oppose the Iraq war yet they are going to vote for McCain. I know a Republican that is unemployed and faces bankruptcy, yet he is going to vote for McCain. I find it far more likely that a Democrat would vote for a Republican than Republican voting for a Democrat.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

21. Agree, the OP'ers premise is absurd. Lumping all pubs together is no better

then sterotyping any other group.

[Breeze54]

27. Really? Didn't they all cheer the war and defend the killings and bombings or did you forget

how they said you and I and a majority of Democrats were traitors because we opposed it?

Didn't they get even more nasty attacking Dems in 2004 because they wanted to continue that war by electing W?

All the rethugs are guilty as charged.

[PretzelWarrior]

46. not all of them. Bush's approval in Oct 2001 was around 80%

so you'll have to judge quite a few Dems who were taken in by their horrible sham of an administration.

I think the GOP and many Dem leaders engaged in direliction of duty by not doing much of anything to resist the evil perpetrated by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and the many others we've come to know too well.

Why can't you admit Bush MINDFUCKED this country after they stole the election and then profited in the most cynical and evil way from the absolute worst terrorist attack against America.

I know MANY MANY MANY decent, good AMericans who happen to believe in a set of platforms I disagree with. There are a lot of pro-life Republican citizens out there. A lot of Republicans who shoot golf but not guns. Just grow up.

[Breeze54]

54. The topic is Rethugs and "There are a lot of pro-life Republican citizens out there."

Who gives a fuck!! :eyes: They're the worst of the bunch of rethugliCON hypocrites!!

The majority of rethugs, elected or citizens, cheered the fucking war! :grr:

[musicblind]

94. And so did a majority of democrats. HOWEVER. as you said. The majority of Repubs cheered. Not all.

[StreetKnowledge]

56. What about the Repugs who are different from BushCo?

And I don't mean Palin and her nutcases, either.

There are 55 million registered Republicans. Is anybody seriously dumb enough to think they are all religious fundies or BushCo supporters? Not every Republican is Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin. I have high respect for the experience of the likes of Bobby Jindal (though I disagree with abortion positions), Michael Bloomberg and Mitt Romney. The middle line between the Republicans and Democrats is quite blurred in terms of issues. It's just the jackasses at either side get all of the attention.

People like Bloomberg, Colin Powell, Mitch Daniels and Christine Whitman are people Obama should listen to. I agree that Bush and Cheney should face lawsuits and prison for their actions, but to blast all Republicans is idiocy. On one hand I'd like to see the Democrats return the favor with regards to the moronic antics of the 2000-2006 Republicans, but let's be honest, how does that make us any better than them? It doesn't.

To be honest, when this election is over, I'd try to talk to John McCain and see if he'll tell the GOP where to shove it - he's been made into a tool and a moron by the Roveites and his dumb bitch running mate, when the man himself has shown in his Senate time to be a much better man than this.

[Breeze54]

58. Someone voted for bush twice and it sure as hell wasn't me !!

Colin Powell can kiss my ass!

"how does that make us any better than them?"

Now you're worried about what they think of you? :wtf:

Who cares what they think about you?!? They are idiots.

Idiots opinions don't count. It can't be trusted.

[StreetKnowledge]

60. Moral Leadership

Obama has it coming out his pores. There is absolutely no reason to say screw you to 55 million voters because of the actions of a Texan retard and his fascist VP and incompetent cabinet. I'm not worried about what they think of me. I'm worried about how perhaps those 55 million people and their brightest leaders can make this nation a better place.

If there was 55 million idiots in America, this country wouldn't be where it is.

There are good Republicans. Just not among BushCo.

[PretzelWarrior]

63. don't sprain something trying to reason with some

I agree we should try. But it is sad that some on here are so absolutely wounded and scarred by these years that they are unwilling to look past labels and see the vast majority of regular folks are just looking for peace and decent way of life.

We may disagree philsophically. but we're not that different.

In fact, those who rage and cuss and close their eyes to the goodness of others here on DU are not all that different from close minded types on other message boards who are filled with venom.

[StreetKnowledge]

67. Can't agree more

We've had years of these morons, but we came back after 12 years of Reagan/Bush idiocy, too. Folks, remember that not too long ago, Newt Gingrich was the house speaker. Things HAVE gotten better, and we will only move on from the Bush era if he put our heads down and fix the messes these bozos have created.

And think about this - if eight years of Obama/Biden make it possible to turn some of those 55 million voters in more liberal thinkers who will support Democrats who share their values, it will force America to think more progressively. That will make it possible to forget about Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Palin, et al FOREVER.

That is a greater victory than laughing in their faces now isn't it?

[PretzelWarrior]

75. since before the 2000 election, census numbers told us

that demographics of our country will point to a more favorable environment for progressives.

I looked with fear at the 2000 election because of HOW MUCH Clinton years had accomplished. Real wages were going up because of increased need for labor. Inflation was in check partially due to massively increased productivity largely as a result of the internet age and automation.

I knew the greedy and corrupt wanted an end to such egalitarian prosperity. Now we look in the rearview mirror and see this was likely their LAST GASP as they pushed to gain as much of their policy initiatives as they could in the past 8 years.

We haven't won anything yet. THey could still try to steal an election. We need to be vigilant until the thing is done. But if it is finally over.....we can work on turning this country to a very progressive country we all want it to be.

[Breeze54]

76. Really? They loved the Clinton years but they forgot pretty damned fast about having jobs and

an education and job training and money in their pockets and peace, didn't they?

[StreetKnowledge]

81. Think again, will ya?

No, what we got was a stolen election, and Democrats who really did play dead on Bush's cabinet.

In 1996, the Republicans drove Clinton mad over his choices for his cabinet. Yet, the Dems allowed even total psychos like Ashcroft and Rumsfeld to be confirmed. Nobody to blame about that but themselves.

Yeah, they did get greedy. But knowing America's social direction is WHY they have tried to make so much for themselves - they know when the backlash comes they will be paying for their past mistakes. Some guys - Whitman, Powell and Daniels for example - learned that quickly and got out early. Lots of current and former Republicans are against BushCo. They all know why.

The Obama Administration and the clubbing McCain and the Caribou Barbie are about to get is the end of the hard-right Republicans. They know it. The most veteran Republicans are in deep trouble, they are losing House and Senate seats left and right. A Dem smoked the Speaker of the House in 2006! Our victory is at hand. So we do not need to become spiteful jerks like they were - because having them with us will ensure our victory lasts.

[Breeze54]

87. Perhaps you forgot the Democrats haven't had a majority in Congress until 2006?

Now you want to blame the Dems!?!

Hmmmm....

"Nobody to blame about that but themselves."

What? You aren't a Democrat?

[PretzelWarrior]

90. meaning they had a filibuster option

and they used it some.....but they allowed Bush's bluster and rhetoric to cow them. They were always afraid of the next election. They got their asses handed to them in 2002 and still got a war on their watch and people like Gonzalez.

[Breeze54]

96. Yes, your such a good Democrat that you blame the minority party for what the GOP did !!

:wtf:

Your thinking is skewed. Maybe you've been reaching "across the aisle" just a little to much?

Stop drinking the red Koolaid. It's bad for your financial and physical well being.

[StreetKnowledge]

102. Blame them

WE wouldn't vote for Ashcroft or Rumsfeld. Our Dem leadership at the time did. They coulda stopped them. They didn't. That was my point there.

[StreetKnowledge]

95. Misread it

The Republicans ALWAYS will raise a stink about a Dem president's cabinet choices. Where the hell were the Dems in 2000? One filibuster coulda stopped Ashcroft and Rumsfeld and given the backstabber Mineta a screw you. Didn't happen, did it?

When the Republican bill to allow drilling in ANWR was first shown in 2001, 47 Republicans split with the party line and voted against. But 50 Democrats supported the legislation. Whose fault was that? Had the Dems held their nerve, the bill woulda failed.

In that case, they did have nobody to blame for the Patriot Act except themselves. You think Bush coulda wrote that? That act was Ashcroft, who is a complete psycho and a hard-liner of the absolute worst sort. What the hell was he doing in a federal cabinet?

[Breeze54]

100. There are 41 BlueDogs in the house. We know that and have been trying to get them out.

And those blue Dogs are not democrats. They're republiCONS!!! :grr:

[PretzelWarrior]

103. I'm sorry, but your language is too hateful and "ideologically pure"

I see little difference between you and the hard line "with us or against us" Bush administration and willing enablers in Congress. I believe this is where my conversatio with you comes to an end.

[Breeze54]

109. I usually ignore your posts anyway. Ever since the primary wars.

You won't be missed.

[StreetKnowledge]

104. They are still DEMOCRATS

Most of those are socially conservative but willing to expand government to help others in other ways. They are with us. We should be supporting such people, edging them in our direction, rather than telling them to jump or be left behind.

[Breeze54]

111. Putting a D after thier name doesn't make them Democrats.

Look at LIEberman. He ran and got an 'I' as fast as he could!!

And now he's campaigning with McLame. :puke:

Some politician's will change parties if it gets them something.

[JJ]

85. Gringrich

Even less long ago it was Tom DeLay.

Gingrich, DeLay, Lott, Helms, Armey, gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh

Saw three of these on television is the last forty-eight hours, and the fourth is dead. They're like a cancer that keep coming back.

[Breeze54]

72. Reublicons are only interested in THEIR peaceful way of life...not yours or countries with oil....

If there's a buck to be made and killing is involved, No problem!! :woohoo: :sarcasm:

and repukes are the first to jump up and cheer it on!! :grr: They love the bombs!!

Republicons are selfish, self-centered, self-serving, liars, cheats and thief's.

[damonm]

225. THIS.

those who rage and cuss and close their eyes to the goodness of others here on DU are not all that different from close minded types on other message boards who are filled with venom.

+50. If I could rec this, I would.

PW, :toast:

:yourock:

[Breeze54]

66. 55 million idiots in America is the REASON this country is where it is today!!

:P

There are NO GOOD REPUBLICONS!!! Get that through your head now.

Save yourself from the surprise and anger when they turn on you and they will.

[StreetKnowledge]

71. Think about this for a second

Who ever said anything about listening to their opinions until they start getting stupid?

A real leader is about to stake his claim to the White House. That man does not always have to listen to the Republicans, does he? Not all people of expertise are Democrats.

[JJ]

74. And Jack Welch's NBC, and Capitol Cities' ABC, and Murdoch's Fox

etc. etc. is why we have so many millions of idiots.

[StreetKnowledge]

77. And becoming them will not help us, will it?

As much as I love Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow, having them speak for us as much as Limbaugh and Hannity do for the Republicans would be a bad idea, wouldn't it?

They love to say that Democrats will screw up America in every way. Eight years of Obama will make that view dead like the dodo bird. Keep the high road, draw in those people we can work with from both parties, and really act for the country first.

[Breeze54]

82. Like they included the Dems in the House and Senate? No, I refuse to concede and become a DINO!

Democrats have principles that loggerhead repukes can't comprehend and won't even try.

They don't believe in government. They believe in every person for themselves, greedy mutha fockers!!

And the people who vote for them are idiots.

[StreetKnowledge]

89. The BushCo ones do

But that ain't all of those 55 million people, bud.

They believe in smaller, more efficient government. I happen to agree with that also, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Traditional Republicans were not neocons. What happened was the Christian coalition and the military-industrial complex helped Reagan get elected, and Nixon-era Republicans looked like fools (Watergate, Ford's pardoning of Nixon, et cetera) so they got their way. 20 years on, and their ideology reached its Zenith in Bush. And they fucked up again and again and again, and as a result the Demos took back both houses in 2006 and will on Tuesday take back the White House - starting the era of a progressive America.

Every person for themselves might represent BushCo, but people like Whitman and Daniels it doesn't. Daniels took a bankrupt state to balanced budgets and hired 800 people with the specific job of protecting children and ensuring child support systems work. Whitman has spent the last 18 months trying to campaign for major energy infrastructure projects and investment in alternative energy. Powell spent all of his time in influential position campaigning for negotiate first, fight if we have to.

These sound like Democrats, don't they?

[Breeze54]

106. "bud"? Perhaps you read my name wrong.

:eyes:

And just because a rethug may agree on one issue with some Dems doesn't make up for all the other
really horrible things that they vote for and do and propose and submit in other bills and legislation.
The only time they seem to "reach across the aisle" is when it comes to money and it's in their interest.
That's all they ever care about, the stingy, self-serving bastids! And how's that working for them?

[Breeze54]

79. That and the fundies... ugh!

:puke:

[Eyes_wide_ open]

83. "Now you're worried about what they think of you?"

Nope, but I am worried about what "I" think of me. When they made blanket statements about Democrats or Liberals I thought they were assholes. It would be no different for me to do it now.

An asshole is an asshole, no matter what party it claims.

[Breeze54]

91. I'd be worried about me if I was to even remotely forgive them and pretend nothing happened

They royally screwed up ON PURPOSE!! People DIED under their watch and you think we should
just turn the other cheek when history has shown that they do this over and over and over?

Take your blinders off, please!!!

[StreetKnowledge]

99. We aren't letting them do that again, are we?

The actions of a few mean that 55 million are all irrelevant idiots who should be laughed at and ignored at every opportunity.

Get real, man. We need to stay better than them.

[Breeze54]

112. You really don't have much "streetknowledge", do you?

55 million idiots who voted for a fool and war again?

And you want me to trust them and open my arms and give

them a big bear hug and a cookie? :P I don't think so, sistah!

[Mojorabbit]

178. No

My deceased father was an old classical style republican his whole life. Even he said the people in power were not true republicans but crazy people who had taken over the party. His last presidential vote was for Kerry because he wanted to get Bush out of office for the good of the country. That did not automatically make him want to be a Dem. He was a fiscal conservative and social moderate.He was a good man and exceptional father.

[LostinVA]

231. No, not all did that

[WinkyDink]

42. No, you are very wrong. Republicans are not genetically so; they are so by choice. PHILOSOPHICAL

CHOICE.

That some are friendly and generous and otherwise decent IN PERSON has NOTHING to do with their PHILOSOPHICAL CHOICE to support regressive taxation, reduced and/or eliminated environmental protections, illegal "wars", illegal domestic surveillance, a SCOTUS coup d'etat in 2000, reductions in and/or elimination of spending on social programs, need I go on?

[PretzelWarrior]

50. too broad of a brush. we call it stereotyping

[WinkyDink]

55. "We"? Well, Queen Victoria, too bad.

[Lisa0825]

172. The ones the Freepers call RINOs are probably the decent ones! LOL

Maybe we should do a site search on FR for "RINO" to see who is worth working with in the new term!

[smkyle1]

207. I disagree too. There are lots of uninformed Republicans. . . .

and some who just don't care about their fellow man. But I cannot agree that all Republicans are bad people. Misguided would be the term I'd use.

[Breeze54]

2. Rant on!! That needs to be repeated LIBERALLY !!!

All this fuzzy feel good shit is just that... shit!! :puke:

Fuck the repukes!! Those f-ing %$#@^&%$ !! :grr:

Seems like that Abused Wife Syndrome is rearing it's ugly head again.

"I forgave him because he promised never to hit me again." :banghead:

I'll second that.... 'Wake Up, People!' Gheesh!

:kick: & Recommended

[undergroundpanther]

59. Republican ideology

Is rotten to it's core.The people that believe in that shit have something rotten inside their hearts.
There are no good republicans as long as they believe in and subject others to republican ideology.
Some beliefs are toxic.Conservatism is a toxic belief system.

So...

What do Conservatives 'conserve' anyway? To answer this you must ask what is the real meaning of "Conservative"? Where did this 'ideology' come from? Who made it up? And Why?

When I hear some snotty elitist speak of "ordered liberty," I can't help but ask,

Liberties come in which order?

And whose liberty is the most important and first here?

Could this two-faced social Darwinism crap really be the true unspoken origins of Conservatism in America?

Yes, Virginia, it is.
http://www.unknownnews.org/060502a-Panther.html

[Breeze54]

61. Well said and so are all the other posts you made in this thread.

Thank You and keep going!! ;)

[book_worm]

3. I don't know there are some decent republicans like all the ones who have endorsed Obama

[Breeze54]

5. They did that to save their own hides and they hate McPain. Period.

Never trust a republiCON !!

[book_worm]

8. So Susan Eisenhower, Julie Nixon, and Barry Goldwater's granddaughter

endorsed Obama to save their hides?

[Breeze54]

10. And they are somehow 'prominent' mainstream repukes?

Please.

[book_worm]

11. Oh, okay. I see. I don't know I think that Chafee, who was a prominent GOP senator from RI

and against the war and had a more liberal record than some democrats is a pretty good guy and he strongly endorsed Obama.

[Breeze54]

18. Chafee is a Democrat. He's more liberal than Lieberman, the rat bastid.

The prominent pukes endorsing Obama are doing it because they hate McPain.

And the rethugs don't want to clean up the mess they created.

They got their 50 pieces of silver. ($700 Billion.)

WTF do they care now? They're old and retired now and rich!

[musicblind]

116. You're not arguing that only PROMINENT Repubs are evil. You're arguing that all of them are.

That is what is wrong with your argument. Not all are. My Mom and Dad voted for Bush... and they aren't evil... they are just misguided.

[Breeze54]

118. Exactly. Now we're making head way! - RepubliCONS are evil and selfish.

I can't stand selfish people nor evil one's.

[JJ]

32. Susan Eisenhower, Julie Nixon, and Barry Goldwater's granddaughter

were not in any elective office, or position in the RNC

Not talking rank and file voters.

I mean those in office, and those who orchestrated or knew about the frauds.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

12. And they are not being decent like rats deserting a sinking ship are decent either.

It is a different kind of decent, a much better kind.

[JJ]

25. Like Powell?

He took a position in the illegitimate administration, and got his son a sweet position on the FCC and went to the U.N. a told lies he knew were lies to get us into Bush's oil war in Iraq.

If Powell had resigned as Sec. of State rather than tell the lies he knew were lies, the war wouldn't have gotten off the ground.

[Breeze54]

35. Exactly! n/t

[BrokenSocialScene]

7. Dont hate on Huckabee

I disagree with him, but at least he's genuine about what he believes in. It's what Democracy is all about guys, dont turn into one of the fascist Republicans who thinks the opposition is unpatriotic.

[iamthebandfanman]

9. so if a bigot genuinely believes in racist bullshit

its okay because hey atleast hes being genuine?

[BrokenSocialScene]

15. well...

there's a bit of a difference between being a racist and holding a political ideology. You're comparing extremism to a rational debate regarding the role of government.

btw- in America you are free to do pretty much whatever you want unless it affects someone else. If somebody wants to be a racist and keep it to themselves they are well within their rights.

Let's not turn into the thought police, we've came way too close to that over the past 8 years.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

17. Yes, there is too much confusing of racism and treason going on around here.

You can believe genuinely in racism and not be a traitor, for goodness sake.

[iamthebandfanman]

24. for the record, i wasnt calling huckabee a racist or a bigot

just using an example of when giving someone credit just because they believe what they say is a flawed logic.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

31. I didnt read your post. I prefer to pick a random post out of a thread

& respond to it as if it were loose by itself & had
nothing to do with the posts that came before it, which,
fortunately, is often the case.

[Breeze54]

36. Is that how you read 'Chapter' books too?

You must lose a lot of context and meaning using your method.

There's a reason the threads have an order and each post has a number.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

115. Chapters, context, meaning, method, reason, order, numbers

have their place but can be overused as guideposts. You can enter
the house by any door or window. May your question, view,
and opinion lead us into more intriguing territory.

[Breeze54]

120. Well; I like to follow the comments and the train of thought. Seems logical to me.

That way I know why member B replied the way they did to member A.

Context. Just like a live conversation. ;)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

125. I see. Most posts don't intrigue me, or the point seems obvious.

But now and then an odd light seems to leap out at me from some
sentence, as when the person seemed to say we are free
to be racists, but let's not go so far as to call someone
unpatriotic. I hear the absurd like a love song in the midst
of the howls of reason.

[iamthebandfanman]

19. oh, you and huckabee can believe and think anything you want

just as i have a right to say your post was a bunch of bullshit and your reasoning flawed.

i mean honestly, hes a good guy because he actually believes what he says? you know how many mad men you just gave credit to ?

the only thought police i see right now is you, telling me i dont have a right to oppose your view.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmOZLbMW4Mc&feature=related

yeah, that huckabee... hes a real knee slapper. what a guy.

im sorry, but you made a bold irrational statement and my example is very much fitting. you are attempting to say because he believes in what he says it somehow makes him a better person or someone that should be lifted up above others... just merely pointing out that logic is flawed.

[BrokenSocialScene]

23. this is ridiculous

Do you believe in the right of people to offer a dissenting opinion?

Huckabee holds different views on issues than you do, that doesn't make him evil or a bad person. Equating Mike Huckabee or the RNC to "mad men" (and by that I assume you mean the run-of-the-mill Hitler, Pol Pot, Milosevic etc.) is ludicrous

[iamthebandfanman]

26. your completely missing my point

in no way am i calling huckabee a mad man. your attempt to put words into my mouth is mildly amusing.

but seriously, your logic is flawed.
being 'genuine' doesnt make you a good person nor does it mean you should be left alone by people who dont agree with those 'genuine' sentiments.

sorry.


you make a post stating 'dont hate on huckabee' and then you tell me im trying to limit someones free speech?

please.

[BrokenSocialScene]

28. and holding different views doesnt make you a bad person

the right does this to us constantly, its this constant barrage of ALL LIBERALS ARE BAD BAD BAD.

We do it too, and its crap. There are good Democrats and bad Democrats just as there are good Republicans and bad Republicans.

[iamthebandfanman]

34. and being 'genuine' doesnt make you a good person.

i agree differing views doesnt make you a bad person...
in noway have i ever said that it does...

so why does being 'genuine' constitute everyone playing nice with mr huckabee?

i mean, to me you are contridicting yourself.

everyone can believe the way they want and voice that opinion, but hey now dont pick on poor huckabee atleast hes genuine...

[undergroundpanther]

113. Ok

If you think torture is OK and justified..how is that a sign of a good character?

If you think gays should be second class citizens how does that make your beliefs benign?

If you believe women should be forced to be pregnant and have babies they can't raise regardless,of her health or situation how does THAT belief make you a kindhearted person?

If you like trickle down voodoo economics and really think the poor are lazy,how does that prove you have compassion for the least of us?

Don't you get it?

Republican BELIEFS are toxic and there has to be a fundamental disconnect or defect in the character of a person who can rationalize such shit enough to fight for it.

[Breeze54]

114. Bravo, bravo !!!

:applause: :applause:

I wish I could recommend your post (s)!!

[Enthusiast]

156. Now that is an awesome response.

One thing, however. They never have to rationalize, never. Their thinking is done for them by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh (and the others) and from the fundie clergy. This is a real problem for people that only get their information from these sources. No wonder they think Obama is a Muslim terrorist.

[undergroundpanther]

215. It's not so much rationalizing

They fear, it is INTROSPECTION,which leads to the destruction of the entitlement fantasy,the destruction of the idea they are better than us, and it makes them realize how fucking wrong and evil they have been to other people who were no threat to them at all.They are cowards when it comes to introspection because with introspection comes uncertainty,guilt and shame..They can't go on believing they are right.So they never look inward never question,never admit they are bad or wrong.Because if they are wrong it means they were not on the ball and really are bully losers, weak in the character department stupid in the intellectual department and stunted in the relation with others department.They realize how fucked up they ARE.And have to ADMIT to THEM SELF they have been evil assholes and wrong.They are far too narcissistic to do this much of the time.So they project,and deny and focus on what they can get away with and who they can bully into submission.All to justify that entitlement fantasy.

[Breeze54]

30. RNC = Hitler, Stallin, The Third Reich.... etc.

You seem to be the one in La La Land with a very short memory.

[TankLV]

191. Not if it's homophobic racist garbage!

I'm getting fucking tired and angry at all the idiots who post that these cretins are somehow deserving of any respect...

they are worse than asswipes...

[Eryemil]

161. Well he's a homophobic prick

Are you saying that it is somehow different from racism?

[TankLV]

190. That's his argument in a nutshell...

amazing some idiots who would try to push this shit...

[Breeze54]

13. Yeah... he genuinely believes in killing innocent people in foreign lands.

Huckabee is a clown and a moron. Typical rethug.

[ToolTex]

14. I think our opposition is criminal and deserve to be held accountable. n/t

[undergroundpanther]

110. Hitler was genuine in his beliefs too .

I hate Huckabee.He's dangerous. Because of His BELIEFS.
His beliefs are the PROBLEM.

[TankLV]

188. yeah - he genuinely believes his racist and bigoted viewpoints...

homophobia big among them - but he's a "decent" person...

BULLSHIT!!!!!!

[Orsino]

198. I don't know how genuine he can possibly be, as a Republican...

...but he showed a streak of decency, at least, on the subject of Obama.

If you can stop hating on any Republican, Huckabee might be the one. One not to hate, that is--not to elect.

[TheDonkey]

16. 'Decent' republicans are very rare. Sort of line one-horned deer.

Huckabee, Romney, et al do not belong to that group of decent rethugs.

[BlooInBloo]

20. (shrug) There are a lot of Charlie Browns on DU, happy to let Lucy pull the ball away over and over.

[PretzelWarrior]

22. wrong. you just don't get it.

we (Democrats) will be governing from a position of strength. Something Clinton didn't REALLY have even though he had Dem majority.

The coalition of BELIEVERS and the HOPEFUL needs to be more inclusive than just Democrats and a few independents.

Think about it. Dems will be able to set the tone, pass the laws, execute new policies...but they can draw more into the coalition in the next few years such that there is consensus across the country for what needs to be done and Obama can win an even bigger landslide once we WIN THIS ONE>

[BlooInBloo]

Let me know how your Kumbayah party goes.

[Breeze54]

38. Aren't you jumping the gun just a tad?

Let's see what happens on Tuesday night and go from there.

Obama is not perfect. He's already had some questionable votes.

FISA comes to mind. Four years is way down the road.

[iamthebandfanman]

40. surely by no means are people suggesting we hate all republicans

but to suggest that these bastards whove lead the republican party and ran our country for the last 8 years shouldnt get the swift hand of justice brought to them...
well, thats just ignorant.

id never have hatred for the average person who just happens to be a republican, but dont tell me i should go give mr president a big hug and tell him all is forgiven.

[Breeze54]

48. I hate all republicons!

They are lower than a snakes belly, as Dr. Phil or Bush likes to say.

[PretzelWarrior]

53. never said that. they DESERVE jail time

they deserve to have the entire rest of their lives wrecked and interrupted as they answer for and pay for their crimes as so-called leaders of this country.

I am saying the vast majority of GOP leadership should be voted out (as they will be) and we start over. There were many Reagan Democrats and there will be many Obama Republicans.

[Blondiegrrl]

29. You're absolutely right! We should just kill them all! Or imprison them!

Or both! How about we kill them, and then toss their corpses into prison cells to rot?

/sarcasm tag is taking a nap

[Breeze54]

33. Prison would be a very good place for them and hell, they all believe in the death penalty. n/t

[Hope08]

122. I trust that was written with tongue firmly in cheek

Otherwise, it's quite likely that you are crazy.

[Breeze54]

127. I'm crazy for thinking war criminals deserve prison time?!

Have you no sense of justice? That's the law!!

[Hope08]

145. Actually, you sugested they should be killed

But whatever, I will let you step back from that statement. Pursuing a criminal charge against a President, no matter how bad, would have serious implications for our democracy, not to mention our party. What would you think about sending Lyndon Johnson to jail for lying about the Gulf of Tonkin? Or Eisenhower for overthrowing Arbenz? Or assassinating Lumumba? Or maybe we could put Bobby Kennedy (one of my heroes) on trial for Operation Mongoose?

Listen, I don't like Bush either, but if you think that any serious minded politician in either party is going to facilitate bringing criminal charges against him, you have another thing coming.

[iamthebandfanman]

37. yeah, making jokes about murderers... nice taste.

god forbid they pay for their crimes.

everyone knows not all republicans think the way the leaders of the republican party do and by no means do i think democrats or DUers should have distain or hatred for any average person who happens to be a republican, but these bastards that have been in power the last 8 years deserve whatever they get(i prefer prison).

[Blondiegrrl]

41. I am merely pointing out that this type of hysteria accomplishes nothing.

"Nice taste"?

Careful there. You might get a bruise falling off your high horse.

[WinkyDink]

44. Try not to confuse righteous indignation with the absurdly hyperbolic "hysteria".

[JJ]

49. make it ridiculous

On the whole the Republicans are not people who just didn't agree with our views, they were, and are, thugs who tolerated no dissent, coveted power for its own sake, and put their own greed and lust for power above Country, and the well being, and very lives of everyone else.

To now pretend that many of them are just regular guys with differing opinions will put us right back in the same mess we were in before. They'll attack Obama on every front, and make up shit to divide and distract just like they did to Bill Clinton in the 90's.

Reminds me of a definition of a liberal I once heard, can't remember the attribution,
"A liberal is someone so open-minded he won't take his own side in an argument."

[undergroundpanther]

150. When Clinton did not attempt to prosecute Bush 1 when he took office,

I so wanted to put my foot up his ass.
You cannot do nothing in the face of evil and not become complicit in it!!

[undergroundpanther]

52. Nice fantasy

BUT.. I'd prefer people to be educated enough to become INOCULATED intellectually and emotionally against trusting them or buying their lies and bullshit.And see them for the greedy,pathetic parasite worms they are. Once that happens nobody would let them anywhere near power.
Access to power is what makes conservatives a problem.

[Essene]

39. oh hush. you sound like bachmann and palin

[iamthebandfanman]

45. bullshit

the OP specifically said they were only referring to those with government positions, not the average republican citizen.


bachmann on the other hand, if she had it her way, would lock everyone registered to the democratic party in a jail cell.

theres a big difference between holding people accountable and wanting to squash opposing viewpoints... and the latter isnt whats being discussed.


this is about corrupted no brained politicians who have caused the deaths of thousands, not opposing view points.

[WinkyDink]

47. Telling someone to "hush" is rather Bachman-and-Palin-like.

[Essene]

202. if you really believe that

you need to grow up

[undergroundpanther]

43. I agree there are no "good" republicans

Because at it's core conservatism is a ROTTEN ideology/politics.
http://www.unknownnews.org/060502a-Panther.html
http://www.unknownnews.org/070217a-Panther.html

[WinkyDink]

51. I agree. And for those who don't, one question: Where are the Republicans saying the same about

"good Democrats"?

I thought so.

[undergroundpanther]

57. Maybe

but I don't see as much of the serious corruption coming from Dem's.
Nor do I see as much control games or insane greed and callous disregard for the strength of the social safety net coming from Dem's..
Republicans can't SAY their true agenda, nobody would vote for a corporate feudal theocracy of powerless poor serfs and rich ruthless owners above the law.

[JJ]

65. Exactly

"feudal theocracy of powerless poor serfs and rich ruthless owners above the law"

Never heard it put so well.

[grannylib]

62. Yeppers. Too true. They are filth, utter filth, and we should not be

fooled by ANY of them.

[PretzelWarrior]

64. many are voting for Obama.

just so you know.

[BlooInBloo]

69. (shrug) Then they're filth that's voting for Obama...

Voting for Obama isn't like a magic want that gets you into heaven, forgiving all the evil a person has done and will do, you know.

[JJ]

70. I'll bet Huckabee isn't, nor Joe the DeadIntern, nor any number

of other Republicans who got voted out in 2006.

[WinkyDink]

209. It's a start.

[grannylib]

211. Yeah, hopping on the bandwagon, just so they can say they did

with a straight face...they're thinking about their futures. They should have thought of our COUNTRY'S future, a long time before this!

[Hissyspit]

68. Republicans suck. n/t

[vicecrew]

73. He is right.

Obama is the man vote now!

[funflower]

78. OK, so, like, my parents are republicans, and they're good people.

Not bright when it comes to politics, but decent nonetheless.

[PretzelWarrior]

80. HEAR! HEAR! We HAVE to unite.

why do you expect the Republicans to offer a way toward redemption for this country?

IT. HAS. TO. BE. US!!!!

Go ahead and compile a hit list of GOP leaders you want to see frog marched to jail and reasons why. But Gordon Smith is not a bad person. He was a rubber stamp, but essentially nowhere near an idealogue.

Even though Susan Collins voted with her party on a number of things....she's very reasonable.

I think we need to expand our majority and do so mercilessly for the good of the country. BUt I won't demonize anyone just because of a label. Tell me what a person has done or failed to do and then I will judge.

[funflower]

86. OK, so I don't think Gordy Smith is E-V-I-L, but I DO think he's been lying to Oregon

voters for a long time. If he represented his voting record accurately, he would have been gone long ago. Gordon forgot that he doesn't actually work for the republican party but for his constituents back home.

[PretzelWarrior]

93. agreed. He's been running as a Democrat ever since 2006

when he saw the winds whipping up. He declared he was against this Iraq war only when it was politically untenable for him to continue supporting it. Heavens. He's a politician. That's what they do. BUT.......I'd much rather have a DEM in there.

[funflower]

107. His "conversion" re Iraq happened DAYS after an actual moderate republican lost the gubernatorial

race against a rather boring democratic governor who should have been vulnerable but wasn't because people were so mad at Bush that they wouldn't vote republican for dog catcher.

[undergroundpanther]

92. You might think your republican parents are Ok

They are your parents you might be biased..a wee bit..

I ask you,
How can a person be good and really think that forcing a feudal theocracy of powerless poor serfs and rich ruthless owners above the law is OK ,desirable or even good?

Do you see this fundamental Disconnection in that notion that good people can believe in and fight for very BAD policies without a disconnect somewhere in them between their sense of empathy,ethics and fairness twords others?

Are they just conformists?
Do they prefer not to think how their political
beliefs might actually hurt people?
Have they ever been poor or homeless or needed assistance financially to survive as adults?
Do they question things they believe or just do it the same way they were taught to by rote.
How can they support a terrible evil belief system that republican conservative do and sleep at night?
Do they care about anyone outside their circle of friends /family?
Do they care about other's well being that are different from themselves ,far away,or who might ping their hangups or go against their religion?
Do they think it's ok to force pregnancy?

Did you ever wonder about that?

[PretzelWarrior]

98. you're getting a bit personal and way too ideologically rigid

I'm sorry..but despite the fact that straight capitalism is a disaster as proven quite recently....a centrally planned system with a heavy weight of government intervention is bad as well. Borne out by many examples.

There are rational reasons why someone might be for law and order. There are rational reasons why someone might be for a set of moral outlines in society.

There are attractive planks to the Republican platform, the Democratic platform, the Green party platform, etc.

Quit trying to get this poster to evaluate whether her parents are actually evil. That is soooo wrong.

[undergroundpanther]

108. No I'm not saying they are evil

I am saying they have a disconnect somewhere about understanding how political beliefs can impact others lives,they must be in denial or oblivious or maybe simply unaware or un-curious.I dunno why they can tolerate being republicans.But I do suspect a disconnection somewhere there.
Why say I am claiming they are evil? I'm not.
I do however think republican beliefs are evil.

Maybe the reason they can tolerate being republican is a flaw, maybe they are not thinking, or their personality is rigid or something else.Doesn't mean they are evil, per se it might mean they are not too bright, in denial ,or don't think too deep or could be conforming .

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

84. Fuck Hagel. Fuck Huckabee. Fuck Crist. Fuck them all.

If they were really decent guys they would not be aligned with that party.

Here is the lowdown on Huckabee.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/11/13/huckabee/

I'm sure there's more. He dropped out before people dug real deep.

He is not crazy but he is scummy, grasping, greedy, sneaky, vicious and vengeful. NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

I have never seen one Republican I would ever vote for. Not one.

[PretzelWarrior]

105. Speaking of Hagel, great New Yorker piece on him

I always believed there was something about him....and I would LOVE for him to be Obama's secretary of defense.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

147. Why? Because only Republicans can keep us safe?

Because there are no Democrats with the skill and experience to do the job?

That's the message Obama would send with the appointment of any Republican to that position.

There's bipartisanship, and there's capitulation. No Republican should head up the DoD in an Obama administration.

[PretzelWarrior]

199. No. Because he is somewhat bipartisan

and worked across the aisle and has resigned his seat in the Senate. I guess you could have a point about Sec of Defense. But It is the PRESIDENT running things. I believe people are already leery of GOP to actually protect us.

I can't imagine him as Sec of State. We need someone like Holbrook in that spot. Perhaps he could be National Security Adviser. I'm more discussing that there are good Republicans who are vastly disappointed by the way their party has gone ROGUE on them. They could help fracture the divided horrible feelings we're all experiencing right now.

[Patchuli]

88. Exactly. Take NO prisoners People! nt

[Cobalt-60]

97. I draw the line at torture

It's easy to convince yourself the race was fair if it broke your way.
But torture, that's a fundamental right and wrong, good or evil issue.
Once it was obvious they were torturing, any that made excuses for it
are accessory to the crime. Especially if the excuses were made in public.
The rank and file Republicans that went for it don't deserve the noose.
But their collaboration must be considered when dealing with them.

[undergroundpanther]

101. I hate torture too

torture is ALWAYS wrong.People that excuse torture have something evil inside them.

[Hope08]

117. There's a lot of vitriol in this thread

Best remember that the reason our candidate is winning is because people are tired of this nonsense. They want health care and jobs, not enormously ignorant comments about the how 45% of the country deserves to be disenfranchised or murdered.

[undergroundpanther]

121. Republican idealogy

And beliefs need to be put in a grave and abandoned by this country,and the individuals within this country that believe such evil as conservatism need to understand WHY republican beliefs ARE evil,so they can decide to grow into a better person,..and have bigger hearts and not be so damn arrogant,callous,greedy,controlling,power abusing ,hypocritical and rigid.
Republican beliefs are evil.
Believing evil things are ok genuinely or not,does point to a flaw or a disconnect in the believers character.

[Duppers]

130. Thank you

for articulating what I feel and think.

[Hope08]

133. Well look

That sounds a lot to me like the belief system of our present Commander-in-Chief, in reverse. I'm not out to teach anyone lessons about how wrong they are, or to bring down God's wrath on evildoers. I'm interested in making this a better country for my family and my family's family, and I know that hating people -- or even refusing to compromise with them -- is not going to get that accomplished.

And let me tell you something else, I grew up in a family of leftists, serious ones, and if you think that being a progressive makes you a better person, you are just wrong.

[undergroundpanther]

151. Well

Being a progressive does not mean you have to just tolerate republicans and their toxic beliefs as justification for taking people's rights away or declaring them second class citizens as if that kind of evil shit was ok..

Yeah I hate republicans because they are BULLIES.
BULLIES are not innocents by a long shot. Republicans and the beliefs they share show they are bullies.They think torture is OK. They want to dominate others.They like WAR.They like corporate welfare.They lie. They like to control others lives.They take and do not share,They have no problem being be unfair and they do not care who suffers as long as it is not themselves.

I hate people like that.And I am in no way ashamed to say I hate bullies,be they republican bullies with a flawed character or a ruthless asshole,and I despise their belief systems.
Or a progressive bully trying to tell me evil is not evil and chastise me for offending the assholes on the right.Hell yes I want to offend them. They are EVIL.

[Hope08]

203. This campaign has been about ending the toxicity of that way of politics

You should listen to our nominee more carefully. Bullies come in all shapes and sizes, and in all ideological stripes. And most people are not pure "good" or pure "evil," they are some of both. Your view of Republicans does nothing to accomplish positive change for yourself, your family, or your country; indeed, it sets that change back.

[undergroundpanther]

216. you cannot reason

with someone who wants to ruin your life,control what you are and how you live,or make you a second class citizen.

[PretzelWarrior]

124. DING! DING! DING! we have a winner

THANK YOU! I am a little surprised....well no I'm not. THere are some even on DU that need to have some lessons in how to behave as decent human beings when behind an internet screen name.

[Enrique]

119. not one elected democrat would agree with you

no one, not Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, Robert Wexler, and Obama least of all, would endorse this approach.

edited to "elected democrat"

[Breeze54]

123. Bullshit. if you think they're going to say it outloud, then you

are pretty gullible and I've heard everyone of them and many more like them say worse about the Rethugs on TV and in interviews!

Get real!

[Enrique]

143. every one of them has said that there aren't any good republicans?

i must have missed that. I haven't heard ANY of them say that, and I can't imagine it.

[undergroundpanther]

131. I DIS agree

Because republican/conservative ideology is WRONG and TOXIC.
If someone thinks gays should be second class citizens I think Kucinich would disagree,with the republican and wonder why he is so bigoted,and would suspect a character flaw is driving that bigotry..

When you look at the terrible shit republicans want for this country it shows something about the person identifying themselves with conservative ideology ,fighting for that belief/system to be imposed on this country.It shows they have a disconnect or a flaw in character just to be able to TOLERATE supporting such evil beliefs.
I think every true liberal is against that flaw in character of those who can be republicans and not feel like scumbags.

[Duppers]

136. ugp, did you reply to the wrong post?

please check. You responded that you agree with post #119, but I do not think that you do.

:hi:

[undergroundpanther]

149. No I don't agree with post 119

When threads get long I think I get confused.
I think I just typoed.

[Duppers]

210. you're welcome

nt

[Duppers]

137. are you reading this thread?

there are plenty of dems here who hate rethugs, including this one.

[Enrique]

144. you're right

I meant elected dems. No elected dem hates republicans.

[Enrique]

139. delete

responded to wrong post.

[Duppers]

126. I'm with you.

I hate them all--the rethug lawmakers and the rethug voters.

I come from a republican background too -- all my extended family's republicans, so I can speak from true experience. They are selfish, unempathetic, apathetic, anti-intellectual (in general) people.
If they weren't labeled 'republican,' I'd still hate 'em. I hate some dems too.

[PretzelWarrior]

129. who do you like and why?

we all exhibit selfishness to some degree at some times. perhaps be more specific.

[dailykoff]

128. Pukes want to make money and keep it, period.

They'll gladly bankrupt the country and the world so they can make another few million, and the rank and file will gladly go along with genocide and torture if they think the shitholes at the top will let them keep a few thousand more of their corporate paychecks out of the hands of the unworthy poor. They stink, all of them, even the pious ones, except for maybe the most idealistic young ones, and they soon change.

[PretzelWarrior]

132. Bigotry on DU. whou would have thought?

[Breeze54]

134. That's not bigotry. Those are the facts. Wake UP!!!! n/t

[dailykoff]

135. You can call it what you like but their ideology is evil.

If you think opposing evil is bigotry you've got a lot to learn.

[PretzelWarrior]

140. based on your conflation of republicans as EVIL

you have something to learn about logic.

If you oppose all Republicans and you oppose evil it does not logically follow that all Republicans are evil.

Lumping all people who choose party identity of Republican into a category of evil or selfish, etc. is like someone lumping all Arab Muslims into category of "extremist" or "Terrorist". It just doesn't wash. Such bigotry and close mindedness flies in the face of what being a Democrat usually means.

[Breeze54]

141. You're the one whom has it all backwards.

Wake UP!!!!

[dailykoff]

146. I said their ideology is evil, and it is.

I have two puke brothers and lots of puke friends, and I wouldn't say they were all evil, but ultimately, their ideology comes down to exactly the kind of bigotry you're accusing me of, usually some kind of twisted Islamophobia masking for paranoia masking for naked greed. They want to reap the benefits of predatory capitalism and fuck over everybody else including the poor, the under educated, the disadvantaged, and most of the rest of world.

[undergroundpanther]

148. Republicans have a character defect

or disconnect.
That disconnect or character defect affects our lives by proxy.
It harms.

Because republicans believe and fight for evil things that harm others it means they have a big disconnect or character defect
that they can tolerate supporting such toxic policies as conservatives espouse without feeling shame or disgust.

[undergroundpanther]

142. Sadly some people are scared to call evil~evil.

They want to claim the world is morally neutral,without evil .So these compromising types think they can just pretend evil isn't evil,that toxic beliefs aren't dangerous ,so they can tell themselves the world is safe even with the evil in it or with evil controlling the levers of power.They will rationalize and deny,pretend and waffle,call us bigots,and they won't stand for anyone calling an evil~ evil.They believe it's not nice to call evil~evil, so in that way they become COMPLICIT with evil.Basically they identify with it in hopes of making it not be so evil.But that denial shit does not work with ruthless people taking advantage of you as they act all nice.Often serial killers look normal nice and decent until the find the bodies.

All it takes is good people to do nothing to let evil prevail,some Dem's Don't get this.

But they don't want to think of that thorny issue either.
So they go sing Kumbaya with toxic snakes in suits.
And I feel disgusted at their denial.And angry because they have compromised their own integrity supporting bad beliefs by proxy.

[undergroundpanther]

138. I am bigoted against those who abuse power

and support and fight for evil beliefs like:

Women should be forced to be pregnant and have a kid regardless of her health or circumstances.
or
Regressive Taxation.

Exploiting labor and the poor as to not have to pay anyone a decent wage.

Or Gays and Transgender are second class citizens.

How does holding any of these beliefs and fighting to impose them on an entire nation a sign of a good character and compassionate heart?

[No Elephants]

152. Four words. VOTE SUPPRESSION AND ELECTION FRAUD.

[undergroundpanther]

154. Another 2 for the looo-oong list

of why I hate republicans.Of why do not trust them,Why I am not convinced they are"good" people,,and why I think republican/conservative beliefs and tactics are evil, And it shows WHY I'm pretty sure republicans have character flaws or huge psychological disconnects.

[old mark]

153. If the pre-election numbers were reversed, the right would show

us NO respect, give us no dignity, and be even more outrageous than they are now. Their party is nothing more than organized hatred,racism, fanaticism and stupidity. This is nothing new - this IS the republican party, has been since the 1930's, shall be so for as long as they exist.

I do not support "forgiveness", or any other such bullshit.

I want to see them destroyed.


mark

[undergroundpanther]

155. Me too

And their philosophies belief systems ands tactics seen as the evil it IS and rejected along with those promoting it..

[nolabels]

158. There has never been a beast on earth as evil or maniacal as man

It also is probably impossible to know if we can collectively all become more enlightened but the alternatives to that are even more unmanageable :shrug:

[Binka]

159. Wow! I Have Been Reading This Thread And Shaking With Anger, Against Them. And Love For You.

You have been doing a marvelous job of slapping the shit out of deeply entrenched trolls and a few bogus sock puppets. Good Gawd Damn brother/sister you have it DOWN! The Puke party is just that.... PUKE! The ideology behind that "R" is VILE EVIL GREEDY FILTH. I will never buy the argument that these are "good folks" immune to their parties true intent. THEY support that party, they support that intent, they ARE that party, and they are fucking trash.

To the curb with those greedy, racist, homophobic, myopic, poor hating, scum sucking fuckers. Their avarice is offensive and their vapid souls are POISON. Kick that trash to the curb, and bury them in dog shit. FINI!

Love you for taking the bull by the horns in this thread. Literally "the bull."

[undergroundpanther]

212. Thank you binka

I feel the same about the pukes ,psychopaths,authoritarians and narcissists.why Because in one form or another,they all carry that toxic to others flaw in personality, beliefs and that fucking attitude that speaks volumes about how the relate to others.The Flaws in some people are worse than in others, but for the pukes it is there every fucking time.

It is uncanny how certain types of personalities flock to the puke party for selfish reasons.It is not mere coincidence,the puke party platform itself actually excuses and rationalizes the entitlement fantasies,the fake alpha/authority based power trip crap,diseased 'morality', control freak, predatory parasitism,all the types of bullies,the ethically stunted, manipulative,over-competitive, over ambitious,callous,vain,hypocrite,greedy, selfish personality types that RUIN any relationship they enter by trying to control use or abuse others they come in contact with one way or another..

[my3boyz]

157. I thought McCain was a good, decent Republican. Boy did he have me fooled. nt

[shaniqua6392]

160. Even Huckabee, the Minister, is a liar.

I have seen him lie on his new show on Faux. I wonder how he justifies that with his God? They are all power hungry and immoral. I trust no Republican.

[marew]

162. I have to tend to agree with you.

It is interesting how the Rethugs keep saying it is the wrong thing for the country to have both congress and the presidency from the same party. It has become a big talking point. Never heard anything about that between 2000 and 2006, did we? And the entire time they were flagrantly breaking the law, favoring the very wealthy, bowing to big corporations, and making this administration one of the most dishonest and secretive in history. And they all went along with what we all knew was happening.

[BoneDaddy]

163. ONe of the more immature posts I have read

All republicans bad, all democrats good. This kind of kindergarten logic is part of the problem. This is the same kind of tribalistic, black and white thinking as the fundamentals on the other side.

[Danger Mouse]

165. Let them have their 'all Republicans must die' circle jerk.

It makes them feel better.
:shrug:

[BoneDaddy]

171. I understand it

as I harbor a tremendous amount of anger at them. I just do not like it when progressives think like the fools that we know many republicans to be.

[Danger Mouse]

174. I understand the anger...

but anger clouds the rational part of our brains and makes us stupider.

[Lisa0825]

175. I am tired of beng angry.

One of the biggest attractions to Obama for me was the idea that he could diffuse the hate and bring us back together. That doesn't mean abandoning our principles. It just means changing the way politics are done.


The way to diffuse a situation rather than escalate it is by staying calm, not raising one's voice even if the other party does, and not resorting to negativity even if the other party does. I learned how to do this at work when dealing with unhappy department managers. When you have the right attitude, you can make it almost impossible for an argument to escalate.


That is the kind of calm resolve I see in Obama. I think he can actually change the way THEY do politics by keeping his cool and staying on the high road. When they see that most of the country no longer wants their vitriol, and that we are responding to logic and decency, AND primary opponents with these attributes start knocking off the true rethugs, they'll either adapt or lose in their primaries.


I actually think (yes, I may be naive) that this can be a major sea change in politics.

[BoneDaddy]

179. Excellent points

I find that America loses if we continue this partisan hate for one another. I agree that Obama's campaign has pretty much stayed away from the visciousness we see from the Republicans. Taking the high road is not weak, it is adult.

[Danger Mouse]

164. Fail. Demonizing the enemy is what the other side does.

There are good Republicans who feel their party has abandoned them.
There are plenty of awful Dems, too, for that matter.

[jonnyblitz]

169. but aren't you demonizing them by calling them the "enemy"?

:crazy: you FAIL! republicans SUCK. go praise them ELSEWHERE please, this is DU, not free republic.

[Danger Mouse]

173. i'm not praising them, geez.

just saying that demonizing them isn't productive. many republicans suck. not all.

[malik flavors]

166. I'd love to see the look on your face when Obama puts atleast two republicans in his cabinet.

That will be quite the Kodak moment.

[LaurenG]

167. I have felt this way but I think it's because you're still so angry

over the way we've been maneuvered over the years.

My thoughts are that there are a lot of really mean spirited people, the ones I get the most upset by are the racists and those suffering from religiosity.


The self righteous and the small minded are the ones I can't deal with very well so I avoid them, there are decent people with compassionate hearts on the right and it's those with whom we should be building alliances.

[BlueCollar]

168. Not all Republicans are evil lying greedy hypocrites and thieves

some are dead.

:think:

[SoxFan]

170. Decaf. It does a body good.

[tblue37]

176. I am so passionately against Republicans now that when I voted yesterday,

I left blank the oval for the one Republican candidate (incumbent sheriff) who had no Democratic (or other) opposition. I simply would not darken that oval, bcause although he will inevitably win (not having any opposition, after all), I could not bear to give even the slightest hint of aproval to any Republican under any circumstances.

Maybe someday the Republicans will become a decent opposition party again, but right now, they are the standard bearers for the destruction of our country and for evil all around the world.

[dajoki]

180. That is the way...

I vote also. I cannot even think about pulling a lever with an (R) by it. Well, it used to be a lever, now its a touch screen.

[ismnotwasm]

177. Agree

Decent people would switch at least to independent. Republican is a sick thing to claim.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

181. OMG THE ALLCAPS DOCTRINE!

IT MUST BE RIGHT BECAUSE IT'S IN ALLCAPS.

[Overseas]

182. Musical interlude -- A favorite from 2004 that still rings true

www.bushflash.com/ihr.html Eric Blumrich's wonderful video, I Hate Republicans. Great original tune and graphics.

[Jed Dilligan]

183. I've been saying all along

The goal isn't to find common ground, the goal is to out-reproduce them. We can only do this through education, because ignorant people are always more sexually fertile. The cure for the current, hate-filled crop of Republican politicians and supporters is death. We just have to make sure they die off faster than we do. They reproduce themselves in McMansions and trailer parks, we do it in classrooms.

[No Passaran]

185. There are no decent republicans?

Think again. I love my mother and father who just voted for BArack in NC

[QueenOfCalifornia]

196. read the op again

ok?

[No Passaran]

204. So?

There are still decent elected officials from GOP who don't drink the kool aid.

[TankLV]

186. I can't say I disagree with you either in prinicipal or spirit...

[stuntcat]

187. all..

They're all anti-environment, mostly anti-animals except for their pets. That's shit I will never forgive.

[goodgd_yall]

189. Huckabee is NOT a decent person

He has a program on Faux News channel and he's spreading lies about Democrats. There's nothing decent about that. It's one thing to disagree in philosophy and argue that, but to try to deceive the American people is another thing.

[BoneDaddy]

192. A good deal of Democrats voted along with them

remember and if all we have is hate of the Repubs for doing it, we cannot excuse the Dems complicity.

The point has never been that they are "good guys", the point, at least from my perspective is that we cannot afford four more years of division.

Remember Barack's speech in 2004 at the D convention?

Let me remind you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awQkJNVsgKM

This is why he is my candidate. To show the courage to tackle such a difficult process as moving towards healing. That does not mean we do not forget or forgive. It is a practical matter for me. We need to do this because ultimately it will benefit everyone, especially us, when we can participate in making the US a country of honor again.

I do believe that prosecuting those who broke the law, but to do it without a sense of glee or like hounds smelling the blood of the hunt seems like we would be behaving like them.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

194. Right with you boss...

[BoneDaddy]

200. Thank you

I just think that if we become like the republicans have been for the past 8 years, all we will do is continue the drama. We need to be like Barack. Calm cool collected tough adult. Time to remove the children from the top spots.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

193. I agree.

Go ahead all you lunatics who think Republicans can be trusted. Flame me.... I am going to put on my asbestos island wear.

:hide:

[LanternWaste]

195. I imagine we all get mad or angry

I imagine we all get mad or angry at one time or another when not every one believes exactly the same things we do, or posses different opinions that don't strictly adhere to our own personal world-views.

[undergroundpanther]

214. I damn well get pissed off

at republicans that would want me to be a second class citizen,I do hate republicans that would force a woman to be pregnant and give birth regardless of danger to her life and her circumstances.
I do hate republicans that call the poor lazy inferior or useless eaters.

Republicans stand for very hateful things,every evil beliefs.
As long as they seek to deny me my rights to be,to live to love whom I choose and control my own body, I will hate them.
Because they hate people like ME and seek to harm me through the state church corporation because of their evil beliefs..I hate them like I hate Nazis or psychopaths. Because they are a threat to my well being,sanity and survival.

[LanternWaste]

217. I have no doubts...

I have no doubts you feel yourself to be absolutely justified in your hatred, and absolutely correct and without error in your analysis of how others may percieve you and others.

[Two Americas]

197. disagree

Seeing millions of people as our enemies plays right into the hands of the right wingers.

[PretzelWarrior]

201. exactly. fortunately, this thread is full

of some young, aggressive people who need some seasoning. I can guarantee you I will take magnamity only so far. We've got to stop with labeling and divisiveness. AND we have to use the levers of power to ensure it is harder for people to go that route.

I sincerely would love for the yelling heads on FoxNews to be DRUMMED OUT of the media and for a restoration to more thoughtful debate and conversation from a previous time. Even as early as the the late 70s and iearly 80s.

[Two Americas]

206. think about it

The entire country is moving toward the Democrats. Every rural county in Michigan was in play in the midterms for the first time in decades, and great gains were made all over the rural Midwest. Macomb county - the archetype "Reagan Democrat" blue collar stronghold - went Democratic. Indiana is a toss up! New Hampshire went Democratic. New Hampshire. Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Missouri and Arkansas are all in play. Enormous gains are being made in Mississippi and Alabama. Montana, the Dakotas and now even Arizona are up for grabs. The folks on the ground in Kansas report gains and much cause for hope.

How on earth could any of that have happened were it not for millions of Republicans?

[stillcool]

205. Is there a time frame for..

changing labels? Why is everything all or nothing? Why can't people be judged by their own merits? Can we give a test to Democratic Party Officials so that we can determine whether they deserve their D? What are we going to do about all those people who keep electing R's? Should we declare their elections null and void, or should we just fix the machines in their counties?

[QC]

208. People always become what they hate.

Many people here have become the mirror image of freepers, and this post is a perfect example.

[undergroundpanther]

213. Umm I never raped a kid

Yet I was raped as a kid and DESPISE the asshole who did it.

Alot of people get abused and of the majority that do hate their abusers and hate abuse itself , they NEVER do abuse others as as adults as they were abused as kids.

So keep your damn vampire myth to yourself.

Hating evil things does NOT make a person evil. It's called using DISCERNMENT and making a stark distinction of difference between you and what hurts you or what you never want to be part of..with a clear boundary.

I can hate republicans with my whole heart ,yet I know I will NEVER BECOME one..My hate keeps me aware of what the sickness is ,Aware of what I never want to compromise my integrity with.
Hate keeps me unable to tolerate, rationalize or ENABLE the evil belief system republicans push upon this country.
Hate has a purpose and sometimes it is to protects your own integrity from encroachment, By evil people or by people urging compromise with ideas that are evil.

[barack the house]

218. Even Biden says the way government works it will still take bipartisanship even with the magic 60.>

Now I know that won't be easy but it's in everyones intrest to at least try, wherever possible.

[Inuca]

219. Yu realize that you sound EXACTLY as "they" do, right? n/t

[undergroundpanther]

220. I might SOUND like them to those blinded by a utopian dream

But in reality I hurt nobody unless they hurt me first. And people that would declare me a second class citizen because of religion or politics or trans-phobia hated me first. So I return the contempt.

Some beliefs are not good,and republicans espouse alot of sick shit and justify it with religion family values national security when it has NOTHING to do with any of that.

I will not lay down and let a self righteous asshole declare me less worthy as a human being because of who I am.

Beliefs can be changed, but who you are, or the color of your skin orientation or gender cannot.So anyone who thinks it's ok to deny me the means of survival,who would use the bible to excuse torture of me,they are my enemies because they CHOSE to hate me FIRST.

Don't you GET that.Some people because of their beliefs of CHOICE hate me.I cannot shut up and take such shit pretending as if it was not shit.

You cannot compromise with evil beliefs and people who's biggest agenda is to dominate you or wipe you out without becoming complicit in the crime against the human spirit that fucking republicans advocate as if it was 'normal' to think like a psychopath..

For you...


"The Sheep Song"

Wash up
Bowl of mush
Look I made america
Hush hush
Don't don't rush
Time for quiet
Time to brush

Brown wine
Turpentine
EVERYTHING WILL BE JUST FINE
Sleep now
Never fear
All your animals are here

Counting sheep
I lay me down to sleep
But I see a sheep that will not leave
From the back they catch him in a trap
Hit his head and send him off to bed

Cutting by numbers is kinder
Invest in the one with the silencer
All of the studies say if they're
Calm when they die then they taste better

Cutting by numbers is kinder
Invest in the one with the silencer
All of the studies say if they're
Calm when they die then they taste better

Goodbye
Olive sky
I am crying all the time
There there
Don't despair
We will find your sheep somewhere...

[WheelWalker]

221. You are delusional, of course. Please get with the Program. Love thy Thug, etc.

[undergroundpanther]

222. No I won't Love the thugs.

I hate thugs.Hating with their beliefs than with their words last with their political actions.
I do not love that which seeks to destroy me or seeks others to convert to do it FOR them..

[WheelWalker]

223. I, then, shall love for you. And we shall all stand together on the day it is done. Blessings.

[undergroundpanther]

226. Don't make your"love"

Complicit or enabling.It no longer is "love " at that point but pacifism masking cowardice.Pacifists tend to deny that kind of appeasing is cowardice.
Go ahead destroy your own integrity and roll in that elephant shit all you want you won't get any praise from me for it..It's your integrity to compromise away,anyway.So knock yourself out.

I on the other hand do not seek my own ruin by loving those who would want my ruin and actively work to make it happen.
Love does not cure all.Love does not mean anything to psychopaths and those who think and believe like psychopaths(republicans).They just see you as an all day sucker at best,an exploitable expendable way to fuck over other progressives at worst..
Not all people are the same inside.Some people have no conscience,feel no remorse ,really don't care about anything but themselves and getting theirs,and causing others suffering and getting away with it..
Love can't change some bad people, into good people ,not one bit..And you are arrogant in your haughty unrealistic idealism to assume "love" changes everyone because it does not.

[WheelWalker]

228. Them's strong words, Pilgrim....

Love can't change some bad people, into good people ,not one bit..And you are arrogant in your haughty unrealistic idealism to assume "love" changes everyone because it does not.

My love changes me. I'll be satisfied with that. Blessings.

[Captain Lance Bass]

224. You are such a loser n/t

[TheKentuckian]

227. I find it hard to believe that so many refuse

to hold the Republican ideology responsible for the damage it has done to our country. This is exactly why they wreck everything, it is fixed at the cost of blood, sweat, and tears and then in the fullness of time they hoodwink the people again with the carrot of greed and the cycle starts anew.

It is important that the Republicans be accountable and responsible for the failings of their philosophies and policies so that we can turn the page on laissez-faire, you are on your own, trickle down economics. They must be accountable for laying debt beyond imagination on future generations. They have to be responsible for razing our jobbase to the ground and polluting our air and water. They must take ownership of whatever drives them to disenfranchise voters and to treat their fellow citizens as second class at best.

Responsibility for the failings of the corrupt and acceptance that a new path must be blazed is a prerequisite.

To sit here and deny that Republicans don't come in three and only three varieties-stupid, evil, and recovering is confused. Yes, we are all very weary of bickering and fingerpointing but those issues won't be resolved by "being mature". At some point you have to find out what is wrong and actually fix it and much of it lies in the Republican core beliefs.

Yes, responsibility goes to the rank and file voter too and many Democrats among them. They are supporting a lot of wrong doing and twisted ideology, many with vigor.

Defend greed, aggression, anti-intellectualism, lies, unearned exceptionalism, racism, the repression of self determination, and an intentional and very focused effort to make this country a fascism all you want but loving friends and relatives doesn't whitewash the very real fact that they actively support some pretty twisted ideas that lead to often horrible results.

Stupid, evil, or recovering seem like the only valid answers. All else seems to turnout to be an exception. There may be a few stray decent conservatives but the Republican party is almost completely toxic and has been long before the shrub took over. in fact the ringleaders are the same filth that have been operating behind the scenes since Nixon at least.

I have little interest in the pathetic beings but this philosophy must be repudiated for this nation to make real progress. There is no conversation to be had about trickle down economics, promoting inequality, theocracy, or cowboy diplomacy because all of that bogus nonsense is only fit for history's wastebin.

Forgive the sinner but hate the sin and recognize the sin for what it is. You can't brush it under the rug in an effort to get along. You have to confront wrongs and fix them if you can. Anything else is not only stupid but actively irresponsible.

[Beacool]

229. I don't agree with you.

There are decent Republicans just as there are some indecent Democrats. Party affiliation does not the person make.

We may not agree with their political views, but I don't believe in demonizing all people.

It's the fanatics at either end of the political spectrum the ones who make me cringe.

[LostinVA]

230. I would vote for Olympia Snowe for President over MANY Congressional Dems

Her voting record is more Dem than MANY MANY MANY actual Dems. I would also say Susan Collins is okay.

And, what thraeds are you talking about, anyway???