I thought churches were supposed to stay out of politics.

[Starry Messenger]

Pastor Kevin Roop:

Quoted from FR--
"13. The election the day after tomorrow has consequences. Having considered the available information, this is my sincere opinion as a disciple of Christ. One candidate has demonstrated the intent to once and for all establish the “right” to end the life of an unborn human being - overturning any state laws that get in the way. The same candidate has demonstrated the intent to once and for all establish the “right” of a man to marry a man, and a woman to marry a woman. I believe that this candidate's party will, if given control of all the branches of government, advance both these causes. Gross sin and evil will become the law of the land. And woe to the pastor, woe to the church, woe to the disciple of Christ who dares to speak one word against these “rights”. Faith has consequences. Faith must be lived. Your vote, or your silence, now more than any other time in your lifetime, has consequences. God help us. Amen."


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2122472/posts

This stuff pisses me off so bad. Ok, so it's one guy in a church in Missouri. http://www.panora.org/stthomas/ But damnit! These folks need to be paying taxes!!

[Ian David]

1. Report it to Americans United for the Separation of Church and State

www.AU.org

[Starry Messenger]

2. Thank you!

Just did it. I will bookmark that website.

[avaistheone1]

10. Report them to the IRS too.

The IRS supposedly is conducting an active investigation of these churches who are clearly stepping over the line between church and state.

[zanne]

3. That is SO pre-Reagan. nt

[Starry Messenger]

5. This last month has been some king of time warp.

Socialism? Red baiting? Weather Underground? I'm surprised we're not revisiting the gold standard issue!

[Starry Messenger]

6. Case in point:

To: SteelTrap

If Obama wins, the USSR officially won the cold war.

8 posted on Sun Nov 2 00:29:47 2008 by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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Well, they don't exist anymore so it's like "Who's Line is it Anyway?". The points don't matter.

[Left Is Write]

7. What a weird and nonsensical statement. What goes on in these people's minds?

[Starry Messenger]

8. I'm not sure I want to know.

These days the rantings there sound like the scary guy who always sits next to me on the bus.

[zanne]

17. Yep. They love the oldies. nt

[Starry Messenger]

4. Direct link for anyone else this morning.

http://projectfairplay.org/report/confirmation?sid=270

I know it's not funny stuff like Palin getting punked or SNL. I am an atheist and the extent that churches like this abuse their power shocks me. Churches can advocate around issues but not for candidates.

[Honeycombe8]

9. Yep. Who do we report that to? nt

[surrealAmerican]

11. Yes, and politicians are supposed to stay out of ...

... religious affairs. Unfortunately that "line of separation" between church and state is constantly being crossed in this election.

[nomaco-10]

12. This morning, channel surfing between Sunday morning...

political shows, caught a sermon by a local minister who was preaching about racism. He was really railing against voting or not voting for a candidate based on the color of his skin. Kewl, me thinks til he went on to broaden his sermon to include communism and capitalism. He quoted some scripture to bolster his arguement that no hungry person should be given food if that person is able bodied to work (he found it in the bible, so he said).

He also went on to say that if you can't afford to watch TV and you need a forty dollar government handout to get a reception box, you should probably get a "second job".


It times like this that I am reminded why I am anti-religion.

[windbreeze]

14. On Sunday morning, there are a couple preachers on TV that I

can handle, and usually watch...but one lost me permanently this am...I switched the channel and will no longer watch him...up to now...I haven't been offended by anything he's said or done...but he got too far into the righteous shit this am...so that's it for me...tell me McCain or * are what I'd consider righteous....NOT!!....I guess it's all in PERSONAL perception...after all....and IF they are going to preach about who people should vote for...then they need to pay taxes on what they earn, or become outright politicians, instead of ministers....wb

[Starry Messenger]

16. I'm an atheist.

I was raised Catholic though and I don't remember this kind of directed--"you must vote this way" stuff. It's gotten really bad. And all that stuff about NOT helping people...hello! The whole New Testament is about helping people. Or at least I thought so.

And why is some preacher talking about digital boxes for cripes sake. What happened to dignity? And if his audience wasn't receiving the help to watch television he'd probably lose 2/3 of his audience. Ok, now I'm ranting.

And before anyone gets all over me, I know not all Christians are like this, etc. etc.

[Thrill]

13. Some of these preachers are showing themselves to be bigots

Why has there never been such outrage for other Democratic Pro choice Presidential candidates? hmmmmm

[CANDO]

15. People need to stand up in mid sermon and LEAVE the church!

If I were a church going individual it's what I'd do anyway. Either that, or ask for equal time at the pulpit.