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Sun Nov-02-08 01:07 PM
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Mr. Obama isn't Christ-like. |
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Edited on Sun Nov-02-08 02:02 PM by political_Dem
I love you DU'ers with all my heart. But the one thing that disturbs me are the folks who say, "Obama won't do this/that because he's better than us" in regard to bi-partisanship.
He's different from the average Presidential nominee. However, he's human. He makes mistakes. He weighs his conscience like the rest of us. He's not a saint. He's not a priest. He's not an avatar (in a religious sense).
Yes, he's a brilliant, kind and generous man. But what will happen when Mr. Obama says or does the wrong thing to upset the folks of the "Obama wouldn't do that" crowd? What's going to happen to the people who constantly tell us to be "more like Obama"? Will they be angry at the first mistake he makes--just like the FISA bill fiasco?
I love Mr. Obama because I believe he can be a force of good in this world. His work will change us as a nation and as a people. But we've got to cut him some slack.
Now, I await what you guys have to say. :popcorn:
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:09 PM
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:20 PM
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16. "My R-ooooooo-se Marie-e-e-e-e-e" |
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:51 PM
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:09 PM
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2. Yeah, well, he's more like Jesus than any other President we've had... |
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...what with being black and everything.
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:14 PM
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5. There's no proof that Jesus was black. |
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But there is a whole ton of proof that he wasn't white and I make sure to point that out to every fundie I meet. :D
Really, Jesus had to be some shade of brown that most evangelicals find offensive, the question (if one cares to ask) is how deep?
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:15 PM
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7. I know, but saying "dark-skinned" isn't quite as funny. |
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:20 PM
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15. LOL! Very, very true. |
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You just don't get the same shock value from "dark-skinned" as you do from telling a racist that the guy they worship (literally) was of the same ethnicity as the people they want to "ship back to Africa". :evilgrin:
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:20 PM
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My best friends are African Americans...They have a painting of The Last Supper in their dining room and Jesus and his Disciples are all European looking...
I was in a Baptist Church in Winter Park, Florida where the congregation is predominately white and their painting of The Last Supper had Jesus and his Discipleas as brown skinned...It kind of surprised me...
As a believer I don't really care what color Jesus is...
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Sun Nov-02-08 03:26 PM
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do you perceive Obama as being?
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Sun Nov-02-08 04:37 PM
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What color do you perceive him as being?
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Sun Nov-02-08 06:00 PM
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I was responding to your post #5, for obvious reasons.
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:10 PM
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3. Mr. Obama isn't Christ-like. |
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None of us are perfect until we get to heaven.
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:11 PM
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4. most of us realise that |
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he doesn't walk on water. Where I've heard people say "be more like Obama" is when they want to say something nasty or act nastier than they normally would due and instead consider how Obama would want them to act. He is not a saint, but he's a great role model.
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:16 PM
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9. He is a great role model. |
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I'm afraid that when Mr. Obama makes that first mistake, a lot of people will turn on him after all the pedistal-raising. All I ask is that people treat him fairly.
In fact, the FISA vote was one of the first instances of people venting their anger at Mr. Obama just right after heaping all this praise on him.
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:15 PM
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:16 PM
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I worry that people may expect too much of him. Assuming he wins, he is going to be faced with a bankrupt country, two wars we are losing, and a myriad of other problems. How much he can get done will depend on the strength of the Democratic majority in Congress, and their willingness to take some bold actions--something they have not demonstrated that they are willing to do. For his presidency to be successful, we will all have to keep the pressure on him and our Congress members to do what needs to be done, starting with restoring the Constitution!!! Thank you for starting this thread. It is an important and timely topic.:hi:
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:18 PM
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:hi:
I just want everyone to think deeply about this as the next days roll by. We're voting for change. We have to be responsible when fighting for that change.
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:37 PM
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20. One of the sanest, most rational posts I have read |
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Thank you. You are coarrect in all your points, especially about the Congressional Dems growing a spine.
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:50 PM
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22. Thank you for your kind comments. |
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I know how hard it is to remain realistic yet hopeful. The Republicans have driven this country into a ditch (with some help from Democrats), and the mainstream media have been enablers of the Republican agenda, as everyone on DU knows. This blog has helped me to remember, during the darkest days of Bush's illegitimate misrule, that he and his ideology does not represent the beliefs or desires of the majority of Americans.
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:17 PM
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10. he's more like Moses... |
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he's going to take us to the promise land of economic fairness....
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:18 PM
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12. There will be many who scream like de-lollipopped babies when that happens. |
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Just as there were a few extremists who couldn't handle Hillary losing to a black man who had to be banned from DU, there will be a few Obama supporters who feel betrayed when the finally figure out that he is a centrist - just like he's been saying all these months. They will go on a rampage and also be banned, eventually. That's all for the better.
Still, its nothing unusual. Political boards attract all sorts and some will be somewhat unstable. It just takes time to weed them out.
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:19 PM
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13. Obama's admitted his own mistakes.... |
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no one is saying he's perfect, either.
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:22 PM
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17. The only people calling Obama a messiah are the right wingers..... |
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Edited on Sun Nov-02-08 01:23 PM by bowens43
and yes, Obama IS a better person then I am. I have no doubt of that. I would be vengeful and angry. Obama is the first to admit that he is not perfect and the he will not be a perfect president. He is the first to admit that he will make mistakes. There will be mistakes and he will not be able to accomplish everything he wants to accomplish. We know this.
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Sun Nov-02-08 02:03 PM
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26. Agree, it is only right wingers jealous that they could not come |
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up with a candidate as inspiring.
Then when they got Phailin, they started calling her Esther.
It all comes from them.
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:25 PM
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18. Obama learns from his mistakes |
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That is one of the things that makes Obama such a great candidate. It isn't that he is perfect, but he is always willing to learn from mistakes and is not afraid to take criticism. He respects all points of view before making a decision.
We will never agree 100% on this issues, but we should be more like Obama in his temperament, humility and judgment.
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:31 PM
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19. What's un-Christlike about that? |
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Not even the Bible paints Christ as perfect, as he was the first to say.
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:39 PM
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21. I agree. I think Obama is by far the best candidate I have seen |
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Edited on Sun Nov-02-08 01:39 PM by JimWis
in a long time, and yes, he is human. He will make a few mistakes. But I am not just voting for him to get in, I plan on supporting him all the way, through good and bad times. And as he said in some of his speeches, he wants our help, he wants us to tell him if we disagree with some of his choices. That's what is going to be so exciting about his presidency. He is inheriting a mess, and together we can start to set it right.
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:53 PM
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24. Neither was Jesus....he was just fed up ! |
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Sun Nov-02-08 01:59 PM
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Apparently, people choose deities they want to be like. The deity being supernatural (fake), holds no bearing for them. Like someone trying to be superman, which will never happen.
A humanoid God? What could be more ego-maniacal?
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Sun Nov-02-08 02:11 PM
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27. I see him more like Atticus Finch. Calm, intellegent, caring, same at home as is in public. |
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He will be inheriting a huge mess and will not be able to do as much as I would like him to. It will be difficult for him to change things, as Those in Power will fight him all the way, and mistakes will be done.
Best wishes to a brilliant man.
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Sun Nov-02-08 04:54 PM
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30. Thank you. Perfectly said. Perfectly. |
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Sun Nov-02-08 04:58 PM
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31. Except I misspelled intelligent. Oh well. |
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I am so looking forward to having him in the white house.
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Sun Nov-02-08 05:56 PM
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32. LOL! I'm so tired from being on DU for hours on end, I didn't even notice. |
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I still thought it was perfectly written. So there. :hug:
I literally get goosebumps when I think of Obama in the White House. Just think - going to bed with a smile on your face, knowing the country is in wise hands. :)
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Sun Nov-02-08 05:59 PM
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33. the real question is not if he's Christlike but if he's Jesus like - a world of difference |
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and no I don't think he is 'Jesus-like'. A Jesus type figure would make a terrible Chief Executive.
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Sun Nov-02-08 06:16 PM
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35. Barack has been upfront the hard work to move legislation will be the people really. |
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