Are you a US Military soldier??? If not, then the President of the United States of America IS NOT

[LynnTheDem]

I repeat...IS NOT your commander in chief.

We are NOT a military dictatorship; the US president is a commander in chief ONLY OF THE MILITARY.`


"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into actual Service of the United States."



So republicans AND dems and everyone else...STOP IT already with the "our commander in chief" bullshit!!!

[3waygeek]

1. GMTA...

Glenn Greenwald in Salon this morning.

[LynnTheDem]

2. Great article!

I wish more people would write about this issue.

Every time I hear that "C-i-C" bullshit I just want to scream!

AFTER we became a military dictatorship, THEN we'd all have a commander-in-chief.

And NOT UNTIL THEN!

Which, despite the freepers' fervent praying for same, God forbid!

[Orsino]

3. That's a great point, but...

...our military is supposed to be under civilian control, and since we elect the president (when allowed), then yes, I'd say he's our CinC.

In theory, anyway. When a president goes rogue like * and starts waging war without Congress' approval, he ain't working for us. Even so, forgetting for even a moment that * is CinC is forgetting about one of those vitally important jobs that he's fucking up. Don't let him off the hook!

On balance, I'd say that we should always remind him and ourselves that this doofus is a CinC. Perhaps it'll help us to be more careful in the future, and help us craft a government that doesn't so strongly resemble a military dictatorship. :shrug:

[LynnTheDem]

15. Civilians in the USA do not have a CIC.

Only the military has a CIC.

"The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into actual Service of the United States."

[Orsino]

21. Yet my point was that our Constitution gives us one...

...though, more importantly, that he's supposed to be working for us. It's the pinheads who use the title to excuse * from ever having to listen to We The People.

[uppityperson]

4. Who is saying that?

[panzerfaust]

5. Rapidly, it becomes one

[cali]

6. agreed. it's perfectly accurate to refer to the prez as the commander in chief

but the possessive should only be used by those in the armed services.

[patrice]

7. Fearful non-military, AFRAID to use their own minds, get a BUZZ off of saying

"Comander in Chief", I guaran-freaking-T 'ya!!! An actual physical buzz, increased acetylcholine perhaps, a response conditioned by their temperament, previous experiences, and learning.

[Orsino]

8. Yeah. This is at the heart of the OP, I think.

Pinheads who worship military might have replaced the term "president" with "commander-in-chief," abandoning their own responsibilities to see that our military power is used responsibly.

[patrice]

14. And forgetting that War is such a "unique" psychological environment that it MUST NOT

be governed solely by Warriors, the C in C must be genuinely Civilian BECAUSE Warriors have had unique experiences that physically differentiate them from the common zeitgeist.

[KittyWampus]

9. DO YOU EVER POST THREADS WITHOUT HUGE LETTERS IN BODY OF POST?

[LynnTheDem]

10. Yep, sure do!

Don't like it, don't waste your time and mine posting in my threads! WOW what a simple solution!!1!

:hi:

[patrice]

16. does it matter?

[WinkyDink]

11. THANK YOU!!! I HATE this pervasive MIS-USAGE!!

[n2doc]

12. In fact, The Prez is OUR Employee n/t

[tbyg52]

20. And a temp, at that.

(Dave)

[dkofos]

13. I would not accept him as CIC if I were in the military.

He was never elected!!

[Ron Green]

17. Right you are. The operative term for the President is HEAD OF STATE,

and "Commander in Chief" is a more limited role.

[tbyg52]

18. Yeah, a lot of people forget that. Like Bush. nt

[pecwae]

19. I don't understand why

the usage is so bothersome. I'm not AD, I'm a vet. I use the term and will continue to do so

[LynnTheDem]

22. My husband is a vet. He has a CIC. I am a civilian; I do not have a CIC.

George W. bUsh is not nor has he ever been my CIC.

NO ONE is my CIC and NO ONE ever will be my CIC...unless I were to join the military.

Or we became a military dictatorship.

I find all improper un-Constitutional militaristic language against civilians ```bothersome``.

[sampsonblk]

23. Good point

Definitely worth repeating

[Laelth]

24. Just curious. To what or to whom is this rant directed?

Of course you're right. And of course I'm revolted by )R)s who tell me that I must not disparage the "commander in chief" during wartime because doing so undermines our war efforts. That's nonsense. He's not my commander in chief, and I don't have to walk in lock-step with him or obey his orders. In fact, I have a duty to criticize his actions if I disagree with them.

But is seems this rant is directed at something else entirely. What did I miss? What happened recently that set you off?

:shrug:

The United States is a LIBERAL Country.

:dem:

-Laelth

[unblock]

25. you're making a BIG DEAL out of an, at-worst, ambiguous phrase.

if i buy a business and staff it up and hire, among others, a manager, i could refer to him as "my manager" even though it's not me who he manages.

the president is "our" cinc even though he doesn't "command" us, only the military.