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lessthanjake Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 04:16 AM
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Gallup's final numbers viewed historically
Gallup has been polling presidential elections since 1936. Today, they predicted Obama to win the election 55 to 45. The poll itself said 53 to 43 though. They were just equally allocating undecideds to come up with the 55-45.

How accurate is Gallup's final election poll?

Well, in the history of Gallups polling, their final poll before an election has usually been very close to the true result.

1. The percent of the vote gotten by eventual winner of the election (I am going by popular vote since thats what the poll measures, so for the purposes of this analysis, Gore "won" in 2000) was only off by an average of 2.61%. Obama got 53%, so he can afford the average error to go against him.

2. The vast majority of the polls are very close when it comes to predicting the winner's percent of the popular vote. There are only 4 times where Gallup's final numbers have estimated the winner's percent of the vote more than 3% off the actual results. The worst one came in 1992, when they overestimated Clinton's vote share by 6%. However, this was a complicated polling year, with Perot being a major factor. The next worse one was estimating Truman to get 5% less than he did. They also estimated Roosevelt to get 5% less in 1936 and Eisenhower to get 4% less in 1952. However, polling is lot more scientific than it was half a century ago. Since then, their errors have been very small, besides the complicated 1992 election. Furthermore, with large amounts of early voting making it easier to identify likely voters and who they will vote for (since someone who has voted is obviously a likely voter, and their choice is final), the chances that a final election poll will be off are much lower than half a century ago. Therefore, if it assumed that this year wont be a wildly off polling year because of early voting and developed polling techniques, then the result will probably be within 3% like 14 of the 18 final Gallup polls. Obama has 3% to spare and will still have 50%.

3. The margins of victory they estimate naturally hold more average error than percent of the vote garnered by the winner because it involves a margin of error for both candidates. However, the average error between the actual margin of victory and Gallup's predicted one is 4.72%. The worst example was in 1936 when they underestimated Roosevelts victory by 12%. However, they were actually one of the more accurate polling firms in that election. In 1948, they estimated a 5% Truman loss, and it was a 5% Truman victory, so they were 10% off. However, that last poll was a couple weeks before the election so it cannot be expected to have been that accurate, and Truman is widely believed to have had a surge in support over the last couple weeks. That leaves the other 16 results all being below 10% off. Obama's predicted margin is 10%.

4. No presidential candidate who has garnered over 50% in the last Gallup poll has lost the election. Obama is well above 50%, with his 53%.

Lets be honest. Polling just is never so ridiculously far off. To think that Gallup will have Obama ahead by 10% two days before the election, and then he'll lose is preposterous. No national poll has given McCain the lead or even been a tie since a Battleground poll done from September 21st to September 25th. It's absurd to think that Obama will lose despite all that polling evidence.
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 05:09 AM
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1. never say never
In 2004 no sitting president had ever won re election with less than a 50% approval rating. Then it happened. Nobody expected the polls to be so far off with New Hampshire in the primaries. It happened. There's a first time for everything, and lately, precedent only means so much. The best we can do uphold that precedent by continuing to show up in numbers.

Only then can we win. Right?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 05:11 AM
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2. never say never
I am sitting by my phone eagerly waiting for the call from Halle Berry telling me she wants to marry me...

DSB
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Curtland1015 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 05:15 AM
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4. No, I think the numbers look good enough that I won't vote at all.
:sarcasm:
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Schulzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 05:13 AM
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3. Gallup has also updated their tracking poll numbers on top their page,
Edited on Mon Nov-03-08 05:13 AM by Schulzz
but I don't know why. Yesterday's tracking poll showed a small tightening in LV models (+8,+9), now every model has him up by double-digits. :shrug:

http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 05:16 AM
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6. If This Holds It Will Be The Biggest Landslide Since Johnson
Ironically the only president to have done more for civil rights was Lincoln...
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 05:18 AM
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7. Because they put out their Monday results early...
...as soon as they completed the Sunday surveys. The new numbers are what normally would have been released at 1:00 P.M. E.S.T. today.

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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 05:15 AM
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5. So, you're saying...
Edited on Mon Nov-03-08 05:16 AM by regnaD kciN
No presidential candidate who has garnered over 50% in the last Gallup poll has lost the election.

...that Dewey had less than 50% in the final 1948 poll? (It might be the case; wasn't Henry Wallace running a third-party campaign that year?) Where are you getting this information?

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 05:19 AM
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8. He's Technically Right
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 05:21 AM
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9. I Think We Can Say Gallup Has A Long Track Record And A Nice Body Of Work
They appear scrupulously honest and practice due dilligence...That's all you can ask of a public pollster...

That doesn't mean they are infallible...
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