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julialnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:29 AM
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Is it true that you can't wear an Obama T Shirt to the polls to vote?
Someone at my office was telling me that
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:29 AM
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1. It may depend on the state. Here in AZ we can't, which I think is ridiculous.
Edited on Mon Nov-03-08 10:30 AM by Mike 03
It is considered "electioneering."
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:03 AM
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43. That's based on voters being mindless zombies that will vote for the last name they see or hear.
Advertizers will swear to it. Just like hearing a bell will trigger an impulse buy. They'll swear to that one too.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 01:59 PM
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57. I think its fair enough.
Everyone should be able to vote without being pressured ot otherwise (externally) influenced in the moment.

One shirt might seem like a problem. But if there is 1999 McCain shirts around you in your Obama shirt - or vice versa - I'd say it was fair to say that we might have one.

I think its a good rule to say that the polling place is free of any kind of propaganda/electioneering. Otherwise you would have a mess of a "where to draw the line"-business.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:30 AM
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2. depends on the state
have something to cover it just in case
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:30 AM
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3. You can't wear anything that would indicate your choice.
It's considered electioneering in some areas. Just to be safe, don't do it. Wear a jacket over your shirt.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:30 AM
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4. I'm pretty sure
the 1st Amendment still applies in polling places.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:32 AM
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10. No. You're wrong. You can't wear anything that indicates
your choice of candidate. If you do and refuse to cover it up, you can forfeit your right to vote.

Don't do it.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:35 AM
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21. Uh no, I'm not.
Sounds like my statement would be incorrect in certain states, though.
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:33 AM
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15. No, no, no. Electioneering.
Undue influence. Don't do it!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:59 AM
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39. Most places have a rule about electioneering within so many feet of the polls.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:19 AM
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47. Do some states
consider expressing your personal opinion electioneering? I thought you had to be trying to influence someone's vote for it to be electioneering.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:02 AM
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42. No, it doesn't
...and for good reason - I've seen people nearly go to blows over the stupidest things on election day. No intimidation of any sort should be allowed in the polling station.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:20 AM
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48. Wearing a tshirt is hardly intimidation
or electioneering. Trying to influence someone else's vote would be electioneering, though.
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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 02:00 PM
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59. One might not be. But thats not the point.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:30 AM
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5. YES! In many states, like mine (VA) you can't wear any campaigning material to vote. Don't wear
anything that you can't take off ... and still be modest. :blush:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:31 AM
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6. Or campaign buttons in most states
Just wear a shirt with the Obama blue
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Higher Standard Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:31 AM
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7. You can in Wisconsin
You can wear buttons, shirts, etc. as long as you are coming in to vote and don't linger afterwards.
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geekgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 01:51 PM
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55. Nope.
http://www.madison.com/tct/mad/topstories/312612

"5. Don't campaign: The line isn't the place to show your political colors -- by wearing a shirt, hat, buttons, etc. If a voter is electioneering or causing a ruckus in line, the chief election inspector can ask you to leave."
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:31 AM
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Wear a sweater over it...
...and flash people on the way out.;)
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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:31 AM
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8. This post probably ought to be kicked in case people don't know.
We don't want anybody getting turned away from voting.

KICK
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:33 AM
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Actually, it should be pinned with a big bold headline
It seems a lot of people don't realize this.

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Mike 03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:35 AM
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19. I didn't know this until about two weeks ago.
I knew you couldn't "electioneer" near a poll, but I didn't you couldn't wear a lapel pin.

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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:32 AM
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9. don't do it - it's electioneering in my state and in many others
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:33 AM
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14. ^^^^ Agree. Best not to take a chance in this climate. n/t
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:32 AM
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11. DO NOT WEAR POLITICAL GEAR TO THE POLLS.
It is illegal almost everywhere. It's called "electioneering." Don't risk waiting in line for three hours just to have some poll worker send you home to change your clothes.

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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:32 AM
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12. Don't wear anything like that to go vote.
They'll make you cover it up or go change. One year I totally forgot I was wearing an Aggie Democrats shirt. I was only going to vote on a local bond issue, that's all there was on the ballot, but the guy made me wear his leather jacket and cover it up.

You can't be wearing buttons, either. Nothing like that. Leave the political stuff at home when you go vote. Even leafletters have to stay a certain number of feet from the polls.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:32 AM
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13. In Michigan you can't. nt
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:34 AM
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16. It's not allowed in my state
I'm in Ohio and they had signs posted during the primaries. Our news stations have been very good at letting people know of this new rule.
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GOPNotForMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:35 AM
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17. in FLorida you can
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PetrusMonsFormicarum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:35 AM
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18. Best not to!
As much as I'd like to wear my gear to a polling place, the reason behind many bans is to prevent face-to-face unpleasantness from erupting, which could just as easily turn into (or be interpreted as) voter intimidation.

An across-the-board ban prevents any one majority from taking over a polling place. Put yourself in the opposition's shoes.
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:35 AM
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20. I wore my Obama shirt in the Primaries and will be wearing Obama gear tomorrow...
NJ doesn't seem to care...lol

Will take a jacket anyway, but I don't think it applies here.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:36 AM
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22. Depends on the state, but play it safe. BRING A JACKET. n/t
Edited on Mon Nov-03-08 10:37 AM by IanDB1
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:36 AM
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23. Depends on the state. Play it safe and leave the O shirt at home, or at least under a sweater.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:37 AM
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24. Play it save - no political advertising at poll or they may not let you vote
includes caps and tshirts and buttons
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:39 AM
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25. Yes, it is true.
If you're in NY, you can't wear campaign gear to the polls. It's considered campaigning, and polling places are campaign-free zones. You can take off your button or cover your tee-shirt, though.

We election workers can't even park outside if we have Obama bumper stickers!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:47 AM
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28. Is that new for New York? My attitude is that wih all the confusion,
there will be poll workers insisting that it's the law in states that don't have such a law, but why get into a stupid argument on such an important day? Wear blue and everyone's happy!
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 12:22 PM
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51. We had a long discussion about it at our poll-worker meeting.
Should we direct people to the bathroom so they could turn their shirt inside out? Eh.

The impression I got is that people ought not to wear the stuff, but that voting is more important. No one said anything about turning people away.

Nonetheless there will be stickler poll workers around, so you'd best just follow the rules...
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 01:26 PM
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52. Why hand a stick to the occasional little dictator out there?
Just wear blue instead!
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:43 AM
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26. Every state prohibits electioneering at or in the immediate vicinity of a polling place
And with damned good reason. You wouldn't want to have to run a gauntlet of loud, agressive McCain supporters on your way to your polling place, right?

Generally speaking, "electioneering" is defined as any overt promotion of a candidate or measure appearing on the ballot. That includes signs, pamphlets, buttons and shirts. The "immediate vicinity" limit is a matter of state law, but is typically somewhere between 250 feet and 500 feet from the door leading directly into the polling place.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:56 AM
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35. I disagree
I don't think a voter who wears a button or shirt and does not otherwise engage in convincing others to vote for a candidate is "electioneering" unless he/she is hanging out at the polls rather then going in, voting and leaving.

I even had a Repub object to the bumper sticker on my car once. The laws, though well intentioned, can lead to absurdities if taken too far.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:17 AM
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45. In many states, shirts and buttons are considered electioneering
In Washington, the poll workers are supposed to ask you to remove or cover up buttons or shirts which mention a ballot measure or candidate on the current ballot. I cannot, for example, wear a 2000 "Vote Nader" shirt because Nader is on the ballot as an independent candidate for President; I could probably get away with a 2000 "Vote Gore" shirt because Gore is not on the ballot. A button or shirt that says, "I am a Democrat" or even "I vote Democrat" would probably pass muster; one that read "Vote Democrat" probably would not.

It all depends on local and state law, and how thoroughly the poll workers observe the law.
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shifting_sands Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:44 AM
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27. You couldn't in Colorado
Put a sweater or jacket over it, in Colorado and several surrounding states if you wore any thing of any candidate, shirts, pins etc your vote would be discounted. I know of several other states just like that beside Colorado, you could in the Primaries but not the general election, check with your state or just don't take the chance
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:47 AM
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29. You Can't in NY
Edited on Mon Nov-03-08 10:48 AM by jumptheshadow
>>Don't wear your favorite Barack Obama T-shirt or your shiny John McCain campaign button Nov. 4: You might get hassled at the polls.

An obscure, seldom-enforced state law bars anyone from wearing political buttons and other campaign paraphernalia within "a 100-foot radial measured from the entrances of the voting booth."<<

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nycity-news-service/no-obama-tees-obscure-law_b_129177.html
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:47 AM
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30. To be safe don't wear one or
Wear a sweater or jacket over your shirt.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:48 AM
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31. Or HIDE it really well like I'm gonna do. NT
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nosillies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:49 AM
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32. Just wear head to toe blue! n/t
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:52 AM
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33. It could cause a commotion but does not violate the law
Most state laws provide that you cannot 'campaign' or 'electioneer' at a polling place or within so many feet of a polling place. Wearing a button or a shirt, hat, etc., is not campaigning but many local election officials may object, claiming it is. What these laws are really meant to prevent are instances of candidates or their supporters urging voters to vote for their candidate, not voters simply wearing their candidate's colors when voting.

I once even had a Republican object to my parking my car within 100 feet of a polling place because I had a Democratic candidate's bumper sticker on it. I told him to stuff it.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:52 AM
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34. don't take the chance! (Or wear it covered up)
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:57 AM
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36. Assume that it is illegal.
Unless you know for sure that it's not in your state.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:58 AM
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37. NO! In some states you can be asked to cover them
but you CAN wear them to the polls. At least, according to a flyer left on our door by the Obama campaign and an e-mail from Al Gore this morning.
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 10:59 AM
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38. Since I was a little kid...
there were "No Electioneering Within (x) feet of Polling Place" signs wherever you went to vote in NY. I remember asking my father about what it meant. It's just best to play it safe and not wear anything that advertises for a candidate.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:00 AM
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40. Dont wear the shirt
just vote.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:00 AM
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41. Why risk it? Just wear your normal clothes to the polls
And throw on your Obama gear after you're finished.
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CADEMOCRAT7 Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:03 AM
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44. CA we can not . It is considered electioneering. People have been sent away for wearing Obama shirts
And, we are blue here in the Bay. I would not chance it, or bring a jacket to cover it up if you have to.
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maddowfan Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:18 AM
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46. Wear Blue, Don't Get Turned Away
or else!
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:24 AM
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49. PA: Up to Each County, Most Counties Don't care
In Pennsylvania, it is up to each county. Most counties have said they will not force a voter to cover or change their shirt. The one exception that I know of is Monroe County, PA.
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Lumpsum Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 01:31 PM
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53. Yeah, this is true.
Gleason wanted a state-wide ban on electioneering, but Ed Rendell basically told him to fuck off.

Still, some counties do enforce it, as unconstitutional as it is.

You're all just better off going in regular street clothes without any pins or anything.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 11:26 AM
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50. Volunteers - Bring a Jacket so Voters Can Cover Up Shirts
In states where this rule is in effect, volunteers should bring an XL jacket or sweatshirt with them, to loan to a voter who is ordered to cover up an Obama shirt.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 01:49 PM
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54. It can be considered electioneering. Wear a jacket and cover up before voting.
Edited on Mon Nov-03-08 01:50 PM by cottonseed
Then you can open it up and let the world know after you vote.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 01:57 PM
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56. You can't in Ohio, so cover it up before you go to vote
within 100 yards of the polling place, it's electioneering and illegal, so leave the partisan stuff in your car or at home
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 01:59 PM
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58. The best bet in ANY state is to not wear any political attire to the polls.
Why risk it? If someone does that, they'll have to go out to their car and turn their shirt inside out. If there are long lines to vote, do you really want to be turned back.. just in case?

There is no point in wearing political attire to vote, anyway. There are very few people that would change their vote just because someone wore an Obama t-shirt next to them in line -- I think the power of influence it that way, has passed. BEtter safe than sorry.. or bring a sweater or jacket to wear when you get in line, and keep it on until you're away from the polling place.

Better safe than sorry.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 02:00 PM
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60. Don't screw this up by giving them an excuse to keep you from voting.
An Obama t-shirt isn't going to change anyone's mind while standing in line waiting to vote. Cover it or leave it at home.
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 02:01 PM
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61. Just don't. You're going to vote for Obama, what's the point of wearing an Obama T-shirt?
Better safe than sorry.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-08 02:04 PM
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62. You can't wear an Obama (or McCain) shirt in Michigan, but you can wear a Springsteen one!
that should make your preference guessable, if nothing else.
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