What the hell is up with Rachel Meddow as of late does she want PAPA to win

[bigdarryl]

I'm starting to wonder she still thinks McCain can pull the election out. Mark Binder is telling her she has a better chance on winning the election than PAPA.

[Raven]

1. Listen! There are a ;ot of smart people who are worried about this election

and you would be wise not to declare victory too soon. Rachael has been a good realist and one fighting smugness and apathy. Give her a gaddamned break, she's about the best thing to happen to news these dark days.

[apnu]

2. Indeed, Apathy and sumgness are our two worst problems.

And DU has them both in spades.

[bertman]

3. Raven nailed it!! She IS the best thing to happen to news these dark days!

[Essene]

38. in defense of PBS...

e'hem.

not everybody cares to watch cable news.... which is 90% driven by commercialization and ratings.

[bertman]

59. Essene, I hope they're better than NPR. The corporate contributions over there have really

skewed the bias to the right.

I rarely watch the tube except I used to catch Olbermann until he got so bitter I couldn't stand it any more. Having Maddow on is like a new lease on life. Intelligent, respectful of her adversaries, strong in her stances, quick on her feet. And has a liberal bent. What more could you ask for on corporate media news?

[nosillies]

9. ...

:applause:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. Realists aren't worried about the election.

Every single poll being wrong is not a realistic position.

[BamaTideFan83]

25. Agreed.

If they were all over the map, I'd be worried. But they are consistently showing a LANDSLIDE. Stop worrying. Get some sleep. Enjoy the victory. And take your meds.

[BlooInBloo]

30. +1 Concern simply for concern's sake is the OPPOSITE of realistic.

[Essene]

40. realism is still conerned and even idealistic since it isnt real (yet

or something like that.

[JuniperLea]

14. Well said!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7732341

[Lorentz]

35. Those who see anything other than an Obama landslide are paranoid conspiracy theorists.

Not much else to say about that. The writing is written in big, fat, neon letters all over the wall. If Obama doesn't win, the biggest story tomorrow won't be McCain's victory. It'll be about how every poll, every pundit, and every indicator of this election was absolutely wrong.

If you don't believe that Obama is going to win big tomorrow, then you're in denial.

[Hieronymus]

48. I recall "Dewey Wins" headlines. Best not get too confident. Did you vote?

[Dappleganger]

39. We've watched it be stolen before

Plus, there are other variables at play.

Things look very hopeful, but it's not won until the every vote is counted, certified and court cases closed.

[Lorentz]

41. No, this is like nothing like 2000 or 2004. Absolutely not the same.

By DU's own admission, to "steal it," the popular vote and EC have to be close enough to be vague. Not the case here.

Maybe, Wednesday morning, some people will wake up and realize that there really isn't a big, bad, conspiracy running the world behind a curtain.

[Marsala]

51. Obviously the big bad shadowy conspiracy WANTS to lose this one

They're just letting us think that they don't exist, so that we let our guard down and let them seize even more power in the future, even though they already control everything anyway. :sarcasm:

[XOKCowboy]

50. Thank You. Dis Dr. Maddow at your own peril..

I remember listening to her on Air America election night in 2004. She saw that election stolen and it shook her up. As you said she's the best thing to happen to TV news in ages, she knows her stuff and like her I'm not declaring victory till I watch McCain's concession speech. We haven't won anything yet.

[merh]

56. Oh how I remember 2004

we were smug then :(

Everyone needs to vote as if their vote will be the deciding vote.

No one should take this lightly and think it is in the bag.

[Gregorian]

4. I don't want to post it, but Palast has an article on Truthout

It's worrisome. Voter purges. Not uniform, but Dems purged. I think she's aware of what is going on. I read his article and suddenly began to feel like 2004 all over again. I want to be optimistic, but this election system we have here is being actively messed with by republicans. Who knows what they've done?

I don't think they can pull a third coup. That's what my botanist just said. She's running for supervisor in Mendocino county, and we've had some great talks. I'm lucky to live here. Very blue.

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[XOKCowboy]

54. "An enabler of the loony left"? WTF is The Looney Left?

Care to explain that comment?

[Left Is Write]

5. Rachel is very liberal. No, she does not want McCain to win.

It's entirely possible she really is worried that something will go wrong. It's normal.

[azmouse]

6. I'm sure she doesn't want McCain to win but I won't listen to her doom and gloom tonight.

[Thrill]

7. I stopped listening to her negative shit. 2 weeks ago

I use to love her Radio show.

[OwnedByFerrets]

8. Thom Hartman is one of the smartest people and he is

concerned. All thinking people are concerned. The past two weeks he has been highlighting how they can once again steal this election. Don't think it cant be done.

[Abugface]

10. I agree with you.

The Republicans can't win this election, but they can STEAL IT.

[avaistheone1]

32. Yes, that is the critical difference that few are willing to see.

[XOKCowboy]

57. Rachel, Thom and Greg Palast obviously don't know as much as some of the respondents

of this thread. I'm getting a little tired of the "We Did It" threads. We haven't done squat until McGrumpy gives a concession speech.

[AndyTiedye]

11. It is Still Close Enough to Steal

They can steal PA and VA with their Diebold Republican Electing machineZ. No paper trail, so it doesn't matter how far ahead we are there.
They stole FL and OH before, so it is likely they will do it again. They're close anyway.
Then they only need one more state — anywhere.

[melody]

13. Thank you for that happy thought, Andy lol n/t

[AndyTiedye]

24. It Would Leave Quite a Stench if they Do Steal It at This Point

[amborin]

37. maybe they stole '04 but

i doubt it

it's rather the electorate that's a problem and that's what has me concerned even now

given bush's record, kerry should have had such a robust win (something like 90/10) that glitches and theft wouldn't have mattered

the problem is the idiots who are swayed by fear mongering, single issue stuff, etc......

and penn has plenty of them

we just have to hope for a large enough turnout in the greater philly and environs area to override anything that happens in the rest of the state

[Johonny]

15. she's been predicting Obama would lose

for like months. I think she's a little unhappy republicans have run such a nasty campaign and it didn't work this time. I think McCain ran about like she predicted, the results however have not been what she predicted. I imagine Wednesday morning she will be happy to have been wrong.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

16. She's been predicting that any dem would lose for months. I do like Rachel, she's smart and witty

(I like the sarcasm). I think she's trying to be a realist(but not wholly based in reality). I almost think she has a complex about dems chances generally. It's almost like she's so let down about previous dem results that she can't believe that it's actually going very well. Buck up Rachel, it's gonna be alright.

[TheKentuckian]

17. My question for the concerned is why are they concerned, we know why

but rather what benefit it is to do all the hand wringing?

Many of us would rather keep our spirits and motivation up and burn disastrous bridges when we are forced to cross them. This isn't a Polly-Anna-ish mindset but rather one that allows one to keep going in the face of opposition.

Take ownership of what you can control and what you can not will resolve its self as The Universe intends.
I just see no benefit of the negativity except one selfish reward which would be to cushion your fall and that one won't so much as buy a cup of coffee, so toughen up and prepare to win rather than to lose and if we do "lose" then we'll have to come up with a new plan for the drawing board and matters will be much worse and tougher than knocking on doors, making calls, donating, and voting because it will be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that such things don't work and much more direct actions will be demanded. For now, lets get our votes out and do this if it can be done and save the worrying for our country and our children should the thief come in the night.

[foxfeet]

18. She wants people to get out and VOTE.

There is no room for complacency. Why make it a squeaker when we can make it a mandate? That's also a bit of insurance against election theft. If a little anxiety is motivating people to get off their asses and go to the polls, then it's fine by me.

[Lisa0825]

19. I hope 'hide thread' still works tomorrow.

:eyes:

[myrna minx]

21. Exactly. I hope it will be election day and not Rachel Maddow pile on day.

:eyes:

[rucky]

20. Turnout.

I already talked to an Obama supporter IN OHIO who probably won't vote tomorrow, because Obama's going to win anyways.

[bdamomma]

27. tell your obama supporter to please GO VOTE.

[rucky]

29. Oh, I told her that

and a few other things.

[Cha]

31. It's about the popular vote and being a part

of history..and helping us win OHIO.

[Overseas]

22. I still love my Rachel although she can get depressed like I do.

I'm not jumping up and down for joy yet. I am hoping and have wept a couple of times over that.
But I have studied a lot of election integrity material and know that we have only managed to stop around one-third of the dirty tricks Republicans have used to decrease Democratic turnout.

They could still steal another one. I just hope the Republican party elders have appealed to the eager amoral Country Club First crowd to hold back. Let the Democrats in. They'll clean things up quickly and build the surplus back up for Jeb & Sarah to steal later.

But tomorrow I do hope I'll be dancing all night with glee.

[mucifer]

23. Bender is not as smart as Rachel. But, he did a great job refuting all her worry points.

[democracy1st]

26. I don't know whats wrong with her but that BS didn't get her that show!!

[Cosmic Charlie]

28. It called the CharlieBrown&theFootball Syndrome

Rachel displays the symptoms of a person who throughout the course of their life has been very close to getting what they wanted only to have it denied time and again for often the most perfunctory of reasons.
Someone always rushes up and takes a big swig of her half empty glass just as she was about to drink, so she never even gets the chance to consider it half full.
What's left is always just enough to leave her resentful and wanting more.


What she needs is a Big Gulp of what we're all going to be guzzling tomorrow.
Obama....Oh YEAAAAAH!!!!

It's good for what ails ya!

[IndianaJones]

33. sense when does meddow run the democrat party? nt.

[Raine]

34. NO of course NOT ... for heaven's sake!

Rachel just doesn't want our side to get to complacent. :think:

[Captain Lance Bass]

42. RM can be a pompous ass at times n/t

[amborin]

43. i will say this:

i posted a ny times article yesterday from sunday's ny times, explaining how indies will likely vote

the article seemed to say that, overall, more indies were dems and/or leaned left than the opposite

however...many indies are socially conservative, while others were big on 'carrying a big stick' attitudes....so that bodes badly for dems


and, of course indies are not the same as undies, but i do believe most undies are really rethugs who simply don't fancy mcliar that much

yet, they may well pull the lever for mcliar, when it comes down to it

lastly, i'm 'concerned' about the youth vote...notoriously fickle....only slightly better turnout in '04 than previous elections, but still lackluster turnout

one article said the youth vote was good for waiting on long lines to attend Obama events, but might not stand in line to vote

so, all that gives me cause for great concern

[mwei924]

44. I'm sorry but she needs to chill out. It's election eve for Christ's sake!!

It's getting really annoying. Encouraging people to still go vote even though we're ahead is one thing, but the whole ground game conspiracy is just too late. What can we really do about that at this point? Jesus, Rachel, just chill out and enjoy the ride.

[FVZA_Colonel]

45. Ground game conspiracy?

That McCain's is a whole lot better than Obama's, or that Obama's will fail and McCain will come from behind to win?

[mwei924]

46. That somehow McCain's got a super secret ground game that no one knows about.

It's like OK, fine. What's 15 minutes on that subject gonna do the night before the election?

[krawhitham]

47. too many people here are just dense

She is trying to scary people enough that they GO AND VOTE, Nothing worse than people thanking well it is in the bag, Obama does not need my vote

[elkston]

49. She's getting on my last nerve tonight. Anything that can go wrong WILL.

And Obama wasted his time in the 50 state strategy. He'll lose all those red states anyway, so he shouldn't have even tried.

Screw you, Rachel! Screw YOU!

Gee, why not just give up now and not try to WIN anything. Just surrender the country to the Republicans so we can rejoice as the misunderstood and forgotten underdogs.

[Arugula Latte]

52. Sad to say, she's just getting annoying.

[JSK]

53. I think you mean David Bender nt

[AtomicKitten]

55. Lay off the Rachel.

She's kvetching because she's nervous. We all are. Because tomorrow we are going to deliver the GOP's ass to them (see my sig line) and every once in a while some need to rub their eyes to make sure they aren't dreaming. Tomorrow.

:patriot:
:party:

[Awsi Dooger]

58. SNL should destroy her in a parody

The ultimate senseless worrier. Unfortunately, Rachel is not well known or prominent enough to be savaged on SNL. She certainly deserves it. I thought she had come to her senses late last week but today was the biggest joke of all. I can't remember anything more pathetic.

[XOKCowboy]

60. Ultimately you are not well known enough or prominent enough to judge Rachel Maddow

I think I'll take her word over yours. Unless you're a Rhodes Scholar and have been a political activist for most of your life.