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mattvermont Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 07:56 AM
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"Is the Election about to be stolen?" Please read
http://www.truthout.org/110308R

I am sure that this has been posted, but deserves a review and a forward to everybody you know.
Don't you find it strange how these "battleground" state polls have closed so perfectly? And why was Mccain traveling all over hell, to these seemingly unrelated states in the last minute?Perhaps to provide cover later by claiming what great last-minute help it was to push those areas??
Palast and others warned us just after the last election cycle that today's election was already stolen.
I am not sure that you can even argue that it is possible for a candidate to win by 8% in the pop. vote, and lose the electoral. This is the only factor in their way. Do they pull the trigger and make a few switches, or not risk detection in light of the overwhelming popular response?
It is up to us to us to be witness to these crimes.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 07:58 AM
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1. Can you all please put this on hold for 18 hours!!!!
grrrrrrrrrrr
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:14 AM
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7. I sure hope you ain't quoting FDR from Dec 6, 1941
I doubt it'll get stolen, too, but remember we always scorn warnings at some risk.

The polls closing phenomenon is a statistical inevitability--Obama got most of his growth among undecideds in the last week. Consumers not choosing him by now are going to be easiers sells for the Republicans, so some tightening in the current 8-9% margin was going to happen.

But getting PO'd at people for being genuinely alert to the possibility of theft (and you can't say there's not a Republican intent and interest in suppressing the Democratic vote) seems unwise, if not an open invitation to the gods of irony.
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mattvermont Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:18 AM
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11. Thankyou, Bucky
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:01 AM
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2. and how do you account for the fact that red states have also closed
GA AZ MT ND?


The fact is that as decideds decide they close to the middle and almost all elections see the gap narrow.

Obama's ability to keepy his 7 point margin and increase it shows how brilliant the camapign is.







you are now free to return to your paranoia.
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mattvermont Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:27 AM
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15. Man, you are harsh
I do not have a propensity toward paranoia,, and your argument lacks intellectual rigor. The red states were never places they needed the IT help in their scheme. Your argument is merely evidence that the Obama wave is likely too much for them to explain away, and will likely cause them to keep their powder dry in the "Swing States" Again, I was merely directing people to an article that seems to illustrate the electron trail that ohio votes took in the late hours of the 2004 election.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 09:26 AM
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20. The extrapolation of voting irregularities in Ohio to a national conspiracy is
without any intellectual rigor at all.

Do you think that the fact, and it is a fact, that the Democratic party won by voting irregularities in Johnson's Senate campaign or Daley's 1960 election results meant that Democrats were conducting fraud across the country?

Voting fraud does occur. The allegation that it happened in Ohio is not evidence that it is part of a nationwide effort.

The Washington State Gubenatorial election was settled by a few dozen votes and while he could have caused problems the Republican Secretary of State Sam Reed played it down the middle and certified the Democrat even though a few hundred Democratic ballots were discovered after the vote. How does this square with our assertion that the Obama wave is too big to fix. How come the Republicans are not fixing all the small wave elections that they are losing? Why did they not use it to retain numerous Congressional seats they lost by small margins? Where is your evidence? Where is your logic?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_gubernatorial_election,_2004.

The federal prosecutor in Washington State John McKay was ordered by the Bush administration to find electoral fraud in Washington State. When he did not he was fired http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McKay_(attorney)(as were 7 others).


Now try and use your pea brain for a second. If the Bush administration had access to software that could flip a few votes:

1) Why didn't they use it in Washington State where a few votes could have been flipped and nobody would have notied?

2) Why didn't they use it in 2006 to retain power of Congress

3) Why would they bother with having federal prosecutors even bother with electoral fraud investigations.

4) Why would they bother firing federal prosecutors if they had another alternative.

Your pissy little reply reminds me of the pathetic sophmoric responses my 2nd year college students would bring when for the first time they struggled against their parents orthodoxy and adopted blindly the new ideology that they had embraced (right or left)

Your position is the one that is taken without a comprehensive examination of the facts in a 'global' situation. Your projection of events in one location to a nationwide phenomena is without evidence and the conclusions of elections since Ohio. But the biggest 'chunk' that undermines your whole point of view is that the number one problem in Florida that everyone involved, including Pat Buchannan agrees to; is that the election was made close when the Democratic supervisor of elections that changed the font on the 'butterfly ballots' so that elderly voters could see it more clearly and made the holes not line up clearly. If she hadn't done that Gore would have easily taken Florida.

Vote fraud does exist. It has even been done by Democrats. It is not however an example of a nationwide cospiracy which would have to be accomplished by a massive conspiracy involving hundreds of law abiding Secretaries of states and local election supervisors.


Your argument not only lacks intellectual rigor, it lacks facts, historical results that would support the logical projection that what happens in one local area is proof of that hundreds of others have joined in a national conspiracy. The results of many close elections where Democrats have won, and the firing of the federal prosecutors as outlined above, give heavy weight to the position that such a national conspiracy in fact does not exist.

No go fuck off on your 'lack of intellectual vigor', return to spreading completely unsupportable rumor mongering, and reduplicate the hysterical rant, which with the substitution of nounds, mirrors perfectly the conspiratorial tripe found at the Free Republic.


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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:02 AM
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3. STOP THIS SHIT!
Stop it now!

GOTV, that's all that matters at this point!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:03 AM
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4. no. terribly sorry but the repukes are fucked. breaks your wittle heart I know
First of all, Obama actually opened his lead over the past couple of days. Secondly, with this many red states in contention and so few blue states, it'd be very, very difficult for them to steal.

Don't choke on the coming Obama landslide.
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:04 AM
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5. Thanks for the concern!!! lol
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:07 AM
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6. So what are you going to say later tonight?
If Obama wins? I expect you to come in here and apologize to everyone.
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mattvermont Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:17 AM
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9. I am confident myself
But if you refuse to read the article and accept the proof that the mechanics of a fix are in, then you are all of less intellectual caliber than I thought the past 6-7 years that I have been glued daily to this site.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:29 AM
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17. They will cry -- and not tears of joy, I betcha, goshdarnit!
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Roninvet Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:16 AM
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8. Stop!
Your killin me!!
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RCinBrooklyn Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:17 AM
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10. Dems are out in force in New York City - running up that popular vote.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:24 AM
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12. In a word? No!
Now go frikkin vote and stop this for a day.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:26 AM
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13. Don't you have some Kool-Aid to mix?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:27 AM
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14. No -- go rake some old lady's leaves or something -- GET A LIFE
Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 08:27 AM by LostinVA
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:28 AM
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16. May I ask a question -- why only 60 posts in FOUR YEARS?
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mattvermont Donating Member (428 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:34 AM
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18. An honest question
I am generally one to absorb information and not spout vitriol toward others. You can see that I am a paying member ( and have the stack of DU bumper stickers to prove it) Actually I began coming here very early, (I think around the time MoveOn began.
I registered sometime in 04?? I am not sure.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 08:37 AM
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19. This is getting to be predictable.
The level of paranoia expressed in a post is inversely proportional to the post count of the user. Enjoy your stay.
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