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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:12 AM
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I'm tired of the "McCain was leading until the economy tanked" bull!
They were technically ahead by one or two points because they had just had their two bounces: picking Palin and the Republican National Convention!
Not to mention that the pick of Palin interrupted Obama's convention bounce.

Can I get an Amen?


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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:14 AM
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1. Amen
Soon, this talk won't matter anymore. And, hey, if the economy tanking ruined McCain's chances, then he was never very good to begin with.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:14 AM
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2. Obama has essentially led by 5-11% since JULY
There was a slight uptick for McCain immediately after the convention, and it lasted a tad longer than other convention bumps, but it faded pretty quickly as well.

McCain was ahead for something like 6-10 days since JULY.

It is indeed bullshit.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:14 AM
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3. the eonomy tanking woke people up that this is because of repub
rule - some people were sleeping
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:15 AM
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4. It Should Read: McCain Was Leading Until Palin Could No Longer Distract
Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 11:15 AM by Crisco
people's attention from the tanked economy.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:16 AM
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5. He was in the lead - for about 1 week out of the last 6 months.
Yeah it sucks when they try to rewrite history. For future reference, I now realize how unreliable historical documents can be.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:16 AM
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6. He was leading until the first debate..... *THAT* is what moved many to Obama

They saw that he had the temperment to DEAL WITH the economic crisis.
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:18 AM
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7. Double Amen!
The economy had long been on most American's minds as we all struggled to buy gas, groceries, pay for college tuition, etc. I think the collapse woke alot of people up who thought they were invulnerable to high prices, etc. It may have swayed a few repukes...but even without the collaps, Obama would still be ahead.
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SomethingWicked Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:22 AM
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8. Economy Tanked BECAUSE of McCain and Republicans
Leo in Texas,

Republicans like to decry the plain ol' bad luck of the economy spill as if it were a random event - like it's just bad weather that broke. It's a subtled Republican attempt to deflect their responsibility in what has transpired economically.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:26 AM
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9. It wasn't the economy tanking so much
as it was McCain's "campaign suspension" stunt and then TOTAL lack of leadership on the issue whereas Obama repeatedly demonstrated that he was active and engaged on the issue. The debates also started/kept the McCain campaign on a downhill slide that it NEVER recovered from. The VP debate, in particular, was a JOKE! Like Biden, I wasn't quite sure myself whether it was a debate or not.

Well, as McCain said, "life's not fair............"
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:27 AM
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10. Who gives a flying f*ck? The economy tanking is REALITY. McCain losing is REALITY.
Obama winning is REALITY. These bozos live in a dream world.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:28 AM
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11. if that's true, it proves mccain is not considered capable of handlling the economy
that's like saying if george bu$h* wasn't a fuck-up these last eight years would have been great
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:34 AM
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12. Amen!
McPalin was losing it's slight lead because of the mountain of lies that were so outrageous that even some members of the rw media were beginning to call them out on it. Then, when the economy tanked, it was the bizarre behavior by McCain that finished him off.
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jacksonian Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:36 AM
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13. really, they act like the weather changed or a boogie man
popped up out of nowhere.

Any idiot could see, even before the crash, that our economic "fundamentals" were NOT sound - so why the hell do you say such a thing?

All the crash did to their campaign was expose their own stupid lie.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:37 AM
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14. Seriously. To make matters worse there is a REASON the economic crisis hurt McSame
and that is because it exposed the fact he couldn't be trusted in crisis (his reaction/the economy is sound/cancel campaign/etc) and his deregulation policies that helped create it.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:39 AM
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15. it hurt mccain BECAUSE he admitted he couldn't handle economics....if it's too hot leave the kitchen
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:39 AM
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16. mccain picked palin cause he couldnt draw a crowd, way back when. you are right. n/t
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VADem11 Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:40 AM
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17. Amen
Obama was leading all summer long and McCain only led after the convention. People have incredibly short memories.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:43 AM
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18. Furthermore, it was less the tanking and more McPanic's reactions
The Fundamentals of the economy are sound.

Then within 48 hours -- major panic. suspend campaign.

Those two sealed the deal on McPanic's erratic leadership style which was already called into major question with his appointment of the unqualified VP candidate.



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tpi10d Donating Member (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:45 AM
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19. I'll comment more after seeing returns
Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 12:22 PM by tpi10d
But my feeling at this time is:

McCain had a lead for a week or so due to convention bounce, and the selection of the unknown Palin.

The bounce wore off as they all do, and as Palin became well known, her negatives soared.

The economy and McCain's reaction to it certainly cemented Obama's lead.

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JimWis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:47 AM
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20. Amen.
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fourvahl Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 11:52 AM
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21. Its partly true
I firmly believe his erratic behavior during the economy downfall contributed to the dropping polls. I disagree that they blame the urgent issues of the Economy contributed but I do agree that it was John McCain's actions during the economy crunch which raised the eye of United States collectively. Some remained in denial but in five years time I believe people will be making that a significant factor of his loss of the 2008 election.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:21 PM
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22. Obama led in electoral votes all along except for the Palin/Convention blip. AMEN
Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 12:21 PM by No Elephants
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:22 PM
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23. Amen. THe repubs and the talking heads simply cannot percieve the fact that
Obama is a superior candidate....they HAVE to dilute the accomplishment.
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:25 PM
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24. Winning until they Lost!!!
Doesn't really matter does it? McCain was winning until the rethuglicans destroyed the entire world's economy. Oh well, losing is losing.
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BobTheSubgenius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 12:49 PM
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25. Jeez! The policies that McPalin embrace have led to the brink of catastrophe,
and people want a change???? Who could have predicted that???
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