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LiberteToujours Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:10 PM
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Was it worth losing in 2004?
To get Obama this year?
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leeno Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:10 PM
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1. ::head explodes::
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:23 PM
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27. self delete...posted to wrong response.
Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 10:24 PM by Fla Dem
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:24 PM
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32. As great as this is......Absolutely, postively no. Last 4, hell 8 years have been hell. n/t
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:11 PM
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2.  Two Supreme Court assholes for LIFE???
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malta blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:11 PM
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5. first thing that popped into my mind
:banghead:
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ROh70 Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:11 PM
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3. Yes. Obama > Kerry
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:30 PM
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43. Need some heavy-duty glasses for that short sightness of yours -- wtf???
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:11 PM
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4. No. The country and whole world suffered
those 4 years were terrible for us. Fortunately we were smart enough to save ourselves.
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:11 PM
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6. As sweet as this is, no, it was NOT worth it. Not at all.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:12 PM
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7. NO!
To many good people died..
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:13 PM
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8. What the fuck kind of question is that???
You think you will get answers from the grave??
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:18 PM
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13. My reaction exactly!
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:14 PM
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9. No.
But the past is the past.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:15 PM
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10. Sorry but hell no.
It was not worth suffering through four terrible years of the worst president ever just so a Democrat could win this year.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:16 PM
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11. Absolutely not.
Bush makes Hoover and Nixon look like good Presidents. We could have waited until 1212 for Obama, but I do think your question is legitimate. Is there a chance that Obama wouldn't have won in 1212 after eight years of Kerry? Yes there is a possibility. America could be waiting until 2020 or even later for our first African-American President.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:16 PM
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12. Alot of soldiers and Iraqis have died as a result of the stolen 2004 election.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:19 PM
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14. No fucking way! My gawd, what a hideous question! (nt)
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:19 PM
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15. NO! It is great that our guy won this time, but,
eight years of hell with bushitler?
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:19 PM
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16. No, . . . roberts, alito
way too high of a price
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:20 PM
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17. What a fucked up question
no
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:20 PM
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18. No!
Nothing was worth losing 2004 when you consider all the damage that was done in the past four years. Nothing was worth it.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:20 PM
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19. No. Too many dead troops.
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:21 PM
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20. As much as I love Obama
Hell no! You really wouldn't have wanted a Democratic Party President handling issues such as Iraq, Katrina and the economy? I know I would've. And I would have wanted a Democratic President appointing a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court as well
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:21 PM
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21. wow. glad I don't actually need to answer that. Lets hope that now it will turn out better.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:21 PM
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22. Gore>Gore>Obama would have been far better
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:21 PM
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23. Nononononono. Nonono. No. NO.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:21 PM
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24. Let me ask some of my military friends...
Oops can't, they're dead.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:22 PM
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25. no, We would have Obama in 2012 or 2016.. The man had a destiny to fulfill
Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 10:22 PM by Motown_Johnny
to much damage in the last 4 years. To many dead in Iraq, to many jobs and house lost. To many people without proper health care. And SCOTUS fucked up for decades, again


I love my new President, but I could have waited until 2012
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rainman99 Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:22 PM
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26. No, my savings account is depleted.
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:23 PM
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28. That's a difficult question...
...and one that will take a clearer head than I have tonight. I can only say that, as traumatic as the '04 loss was, I do think that "things happen as they should." The country would not have been ready for the change we're seeing tonight, if the last 4 years with all their horrors hadn't happened as they did. '04 victory would have set us on a higher road sooner and avoided a lot of suffering short-term - but what we're seeing tonight may be the total collapse of the republican ideology. And that's a long-term paradigm shift.
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whitewomenforobama Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:23 PM
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29. Funny, I just asked myself the same thing while I was sitting here.
If it took the country getting this angry, and this screwed, for people who might not otherwise be willing to take a chance on a young black man, then I don't know, maybe it was worth it.
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gemlake Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:23 PM
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30. NO!
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:24 PM
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31. Ask the freepers if it was worth stealing the election TWICE
to end up with President Obama.
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LostinRed Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:24 PM
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33. I hate to say it, yes
b/c of the last four year Bush has totally destroyed the country, but yes. Obama will rebuild America from the ground up. Our allies will like us again and we can finally get our reputation back
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:25 PM
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34. No, it wasn't.
I'm happy about Obama, but we wouldn't have gone through the last four years of torment if John Kerry had been given his rightful due.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:25 PM
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35. Unbelievable question
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:26 PM
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36. Fuck NO, Wtf
IS THE MATTER WITH YOU?

We didn't stop Bush, and the damage to this country is DONE. Obama gets a shell of a country to be President of. IT SUCKS.
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:27 PM
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37. Ask someone that lost their job.
Ask someone that lost a family member due to high health care costs.
Ask someone that lost a son or daughter in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Wait...don't ask them because it will hurt them deeply.


No. It absolutely was not worth it. We are all worse off today because of it. Period.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:28 PM
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38. What a truly stupid question -- The USSC, Iraq, the economy, etc.
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HughLefty1 Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:28 PM
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39. Hell no
Bush alienated us from the rest of the world, our economy is fucked, the national debt is out of control, lives lost in an unnecessary war, most of the country cannot afford decent healthcare, etc, etc. Quite a mess that will be inherited.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:28 PM
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40. No. Too many dead, tortured, spied on and imprisoned in that time.
NT!

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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:29 PM
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41. WTF?
No, seriously, what the fuck are you talking about?

I'm reading the words, but they're not making any sense.
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Azlady Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:29 PM
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42. Not only HELL no but...
Hell NO! Not only for our country and the world, our sweet men & women who lost their lives... to those that are unemployed, lost their busines. The fear in my life over the last 4 years... NO WAY was it worth it... too many people have suffered, from all walks of life... unless of course your are a buddy of bush/cheney...
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:30 PM
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44. No-not at all
Edited on Tue Nov-04-08 10:32 PM by nam78_two
Actually not just no but HELL NO. And same for Gore in 2000. The Bush years will never be anything but a giant step backwards, though hopefully America learns something from it.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:33 PM
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45. No- here's why-
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:33 PM
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Nah, I like Obama better than Kerry too,
But Bush did a hell of a lot of damage over the last few years. It would be nice to not be in such a deep hole.
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all.of.me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:33 PM
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46. You're out of your mind. Are you better off today than 4 years ago? Not me.
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-08 10:36 PM
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47. NO! How many kids lost their lives in the last four years in Iraq...
How many Iraqi civilians lost their lives? How many people lost their jobs in the US? How many people lost their homes, their health insurance. How many people lost their jobs, their savings, their retirement accounts?

NO, It wasn't anywhere close to being worth the wait.
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