It's heartwarming to see most everyone here appreciating Hillary so much

[mtnsnake]

Hillary Clinton is the most gracious loser on the planet, bar none, and I don't mean "loser" in any typical sense of the word itself, other than coming in second place to Barack Obama in the Democratic Primaries.

Here we had as competent a candidate as any, one who wanted to be President as fiercely as Barack wanted it, and after she lost, she put any hard feelings behind her immediately. She worked her butt off for her good friend, Barack, somehow finding the energy to do what only a marathon champion could do. She genuinely loves Obama. She has proven that. There hasn't been one iota of body language to cause anyone to think otherwise.

In the future, whenever someone is talking to their kids or anyone else about sportsmanship & team loyalty, they need look no further than to Hillary Clinton, one of the best sports & most loyal people of them all. When it comes to good sportsmanship, she has raised the bar to a whole new level.

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[LisaM]

2. Thank you.

I'll know that the barriers are down when this country elects a middle-aged white woman (or a gay person).

I know there are still some people who think she had a lot of nerve to keep running, but we wouldn't have won Indiana if she hadn't stuck it through.

Here's to you, Hillary. The world is a better place because of you.

Keep Going!

[CrispyQ]

3. I thought Hillary conducted herself marvelously during the campaign!

She was wonderful & a complete asset to Obama's campaign!

And in spite of some of the mean things said about her appearance, I think she is a beautiful woman! She should wear blue all the time because it makes her skin glow & brings out her gorgeous eyes! I hope I look half that good at her age!

[writes3000]

4. She's Earned It! I'm So IMPRESSED and GRATEFUL. Yay, Hillary!!!! nt

[PresidentObama]

5. Senator Clinton and President Obama will do important work together, great thread mtnsnake!!

President Obama for eight years.

Then Hillary in 2016. I'm on board.

16 years of Democratic leadership if we have Obama for two terms, then Clinton for two terms.

[mtnsnake]

6. They are two of the most exceptional, hard working Dems ever. Love 'em both

Thanks :)

[PresidentObama]

7. Glad we can agree. And I'm sorry some people wanted to ruin this thread.

Some of the Hillary hatred won't die down.

They'll be stepping over each other to apologize once they see the important work Senator Clinton does with President Obama.

[mtnsnake]

13. thanks again

We agree on more than you think.

Appreciate your support :)

[Essene]

8. She's my senator. I love her. BUT I WONT FORGET...

I can forgive, but i won't forget the weeks of nasty race baiting and disgraceful character attacks that did major harm.

I won't forget.

Folks can flame me for saying that. I can even forgive Mccain for his disgraceful campaign, but i won't forget his race baiting, either.

[rvablue]

14. "That did major harm" ...HUH??? Barack won in a landslide last night

in an election that was called many, many hours in one case and many, many days in another before either the election in 2000 or 2004.

[Beacool]

21. Neither will I forget the disgraceful way that she was treated

by the LW of the party and the media. We too have long memories.

[John Q. Citizen]

40. We did send her to school. i admit. If you think that's disgraceful, oh well.

I didn't send her money. i didn't vote for her. And I worked hard to win Montana for Obama.

In many ways her campaign and McCain's were very similar.

I think Hill and Bill helped Obama in FL. as did Gore.
But neither Hill or Bill were decisive in Obama's win national win. Which isn't in any way a slam, it's just true.

I salute them for campaigning for Barack. It was the right thing to do and they did their duty admirably. However, I still don't see her as a political goddess. She's a pretty good politician and I'm sure she will do well.

It's OK with me that you feel a close connection, almost a love for Hillary. I don't feel that and never have.

I wouldn't be surprised if Obama offered her a place in his administration. I also wouldn't be surprised if she stayed in the Senate.
I sincerely wish her well and expect I will both agree and disagree with her on various issues in the future. Her and her friend John will be putting their experience to work for the good of the country, I hope.

Maybe they could both CHANGE their ways and minds and seriously consider a single payer health insurence system.

[Beacool]

42. Hillary to millions of us was the candidate we preferred.

Obviously, most would end up voting for the nominee. This is a Democratic year, after 8 years of Bush, McCain choosing Palin and an economic crash a few weeks ago, there was no chance in hell that a Republican would win the WH this time around.

On the other hand, many Hillary supporters would have sat on their hands if Hillary hadn't been so passionate in her support for Obama.

One more thing, Hillary didn't need to be "sent to school" and she sure as hell doesn't need to change (one word that has been used ad nauseum and I hope to never hear again in a political context).

[Essene]

45. a lot of ugliness came out during this year (and it's not a zero-sum game)

And i feel no guilt shining a light on it...

If you feel that the Obama campaign specifically did sexist stuff, then call it out. It has to be called out. I hope the media is held accountable on a lot of specific stuff that happened in the primaries with Hillary.

I'm saying that the Clinton campaign SPECIFICALLY did race baiting... and it was harmful. This isnt a zero-sum-game, as if recognizing the racism in the democratic party (*cough*) is mutually exclusive with recognizing sexism. Frankly, I won't allow us to setup that kind of "war." Both must be called out.

I simply pointed out the race baiting. As a Clinton fan (and Harlem resident)... that was such a knife in the back. There was not a huge outcry from blacks for a lot of complicated reasons, but blacks obviously reacted with their votes.

She lost that election because of it, so if you are upset that she didn't win... think about the irony of her losing because of the nasty race baiting. How she went from nearly 80% support among blacks to nearly none because of that (not only because of that, but to a VERY large extent because of that... a point being entirely whitewashed by the pundits, i might add).

I intend to gather my nerves and review the facts sometime in the coming weeks... not because I am purely bitter and want to flail at every indignation. But because I pick my battles and this is a very important battle.

I hope you take those memories and similarly force ALL OF US... to reflect on the truth, on this history. Not to forget.

[Essene]

47. PS... i think the Clintons did a fabulous job supporting Obama

Sure, Bill obviously was bitter... but they rose above it all to do the right thing.

I think most african-americans have forgiven them on some level, but i also know a LOT of former black hillary diehard fans who absolutely hate her for what happened back then and how she drew it out. Oddly enough, it's the black women i know who feel most strongly about that.

Personally... i think they are just 2 people from Arkansas who didnt fully appreciate how hurtful those race baiting politics really were (initially), but who recognized the damage and later worked hard to smooth things out. Hence, i fully forgive them.

[Beacool]

61. Well, people can feel anyway they choose.

I still resent the way that they were thrown under the bus by the AA community without even being given the benefit of the doubt and I don't think that they need to be forgiven for anything they have done. These women are angry because she stayed in the race until the end? So, she was expected to withdraw because her opponent was black? Would they have felt the same way if her opponent had been white? Probably not, right?

BTW, Bill is from AR but Hillary is from Chicago, so that wouldn't apply in her case.

Peace. :-)

[Beacool]

51. Well, let's agree to disagree.

I feel that the race card was played against the Clintons. Every time an issue arouse, it was immediately framed in racial terms. Hillary was called every sexist name in the book, from the reprehensible "C" word to everything else by the LW blogs and the media. Meanwhile, the party leaders kept their mouths shut. What did Dean say after receiving hundreds of angry emails when the primary was over? That he hadn't noticed the sexism because he didn't watch much cable TV. My response to him is: bullshit!!! The LW of the party (Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, Dean, et al.) had decided that Obama was their man and Hillary be damned for getting in the way of their chosen candidate.

That's why I will never again spend a minute of my time and a penny of my money supporting every candidate the party puts out there just because they have a "D" after their name. I also will never again hold fundraisers as I have done in the past. The party will get my vote if I like the candidate and that's about it. I'm heartbroken what the party did to Hillary and I won't soon forget it.

:-(

[Essene]

52. well, if you think obama "played the race card" against the clintons...

Then we certainly have to agree to disagree. Obama worked really hard to avoid making race a big issue of the election. I had hoped folks would appreciate that by now and be able to look back on January with fresh eyes... realizing that accusation doesn't really fit him (or the facts).

If you want... I'll review the specifics of exactly why i disagree, but i dont want to lose your other point or to confuse issues.

You mentioned the sexism in this race and i really dont want that to get lost in the disagreement. I fully support that point you are making, but i do NOT support swinging it around as a counter-argument to the real racism that showed within the democratic party either. See what i mean?

It's not a zero-sum game... where it's either admit there is racism or admit there is sexism.

There is both.

I think it's important to appreciate that and to reflect on how to address the issues without it blowing up into non-constructive bitterness.

I confess to being extremely frustrated with talking about race on DU... and it's why i left DU for many months. I'm not sure the best way to stir reflection on the sexism and racism seen in the primaries but i also know we cannot forget.

I hope on that we can agree. :)

[Beacool]

60. Yes, let's leave the race issue aside because we'll never agree on it.

I'm deeply disappointed in the party's treatment of Hillary and the disgusting way the media conducted itself.

Well, that's in the back burner for the time being and now we have a new president. The expectations are so high for him that they border on the unrealistic. We'll just have to wait and see how many of his campaign promises he does fulfill.

Take care. ;-)

[Two Sheds]

56. The fight against Hillary made him President

It wasn't pleasant, I'm sure Obama would not want to relive it, but in a sense he owes his victory to her.
She went above and beyond the call in the campaign. In fact, I was disappointed Obama didn't thank her in his otherwise flawless victory speech.

[AndyA]

9. I think Hillary Clinton did what she needed to do to win the primary, and when it was clear

that it wasn't enough, she stepped back, figured out what she needed to do going forward to support the Democratic Party and her supporters, and then did it.

Hillary is a powerful presence, and will be a good friend to Barack Obama in the White House.

Looking back, it's easy to point out mistakes, but things worked out OK and there's no doubt in my mind that Barack had her support and Bill's as well. Both Hillary and Bill made powerful speeches of support at the convention, and both were very moving, but Hillary's was incredible.

I think Hillary didn't do everything perfect, but what she did was better than most could have done.

[noonwitch]

10. "Senate Majority Leader Clinton" would be a good thing

I don't have a problem with Harry Reid, but Hillary would be a stronger leader in the Senate.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

11. She set a wonderful example about putting the good of the people first

It was a very contentious election, and feelings were left raw on all sides. She moved past any feelings like that though and worked to unite the party and helped us win and I am eternally grateful to her, Bill and all of the Clinton supporters for their help.

[sshan2525]

12. Anyone looking for a horse carcass?

You can find it here. Would you children fucking grow up already?

[Chloroplast]

23. No, they can't. Some people never get tired of giving adulation.

[DevonRex]

15. She did everything she was asked to do and more. She put her heart

into it as well as her hard work.

I believe that the way she conducted herself in the GE was the real Hillary. That was HER voice that finally came through clear as a bell. And I loved every minute of it. I am in awe of her and I am so happy to love her again.

Let me say this: Of course I cannot prove any of what I just said. That would be impossible. But that was my honest impression. Not only that, but I have a choice to make. I could choose to keep old primary stuff going, to continue harboring resentments. Or I can choose to believe my own eyes and ears and simply be HAPPY that Hillary was such a force for Obama during the campaign. I choose the latter.

[Metric System]

17. Thanks to you. As I've said before, you don't always get what you want and Hillary has been a

wonderful example of how to move forward with your head held high and your dignity intact.

[mtnsnake]

18. Thanks for such a beautiful post, JenniferZ

Here I thought everyone would do nothing but celebrate for a long time after we won this thing, and already there are more than a few longtime posters who are raining on everyone's parade. You can't mention Hillary or Colin Powell or even Jesse Jackson and a slew of others, without having the usual naysayers jump all over anything positive. I decided to take the entire day off from business to come here and savor in Obama's magnificent victory and to even discuss what a positive presence Hillary was during it all, but it's just not worth the aggrevation. It's only hours after the most important win in our lifetime, and already DU is returning to its bickering ways. I should've gone for a hike instead! lol

[dionysus]

16. you know who else appreciates Hillary?

BREWER AND SHIPLEY!!!

one toke overthe line sweet mtnsnake, one toke over the lineeeeeee....

:hi:

[progressivebydesign]

19. I love and admire Hillary and always will.. some can try to call her a racist..

but everyone who knows her, knows damn well that it's bullshit. She came through when she needed to, and her and Bill's help was magnificent.

[Beacool]

22. Neither one is a racist, far from it.

It was a convenient attack against both Clintons during the primaries.

[happychatter]

20. bait

[mtnsnake]

26. What exactly do you mean with your 1 word post

by posting "bait"?

[happychatter]

31. I've been here about a year, computer crashed and I was impatient to get back in DU

throughout the primaries you were unseen by me, and for obvious reasons

this thread is being hidden, ON THIS DAY, OF ALL DAYS...

again, for obvious reasons

I'm assuming your response was rhetorical and that you know PRECISELY, what I mean

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[mtnsnake]

59. I agree with what poster #37 said about you. Having said that, why are you here?

Don't you know it's only a matter of time before the admins are on to you? This is like the 4th time you've signed up as a new identity after being banned. Your goofy style is too easy to spot. Don't worry, though, I'm not going to alert on you yet. You amuse me too much.

[No Elephants]

58. Yup.

[hedgehog]

24. Hillary who?

[Beacool]

44. One of the most influential politician in the Democratic party.

THAT Hillary.

;)

[me b zola]

49. Oh, you mean the Hillary who made a strategic shift @ SC to play upon racial fears/suspicions?

I'm guessing that's the one that you mean. The Hillary that once she realized that the math was against her, and that she had lost the Black vote realized that her hail Mary was built upon going to rural white areas on playing up the fears of older white voters. The Hillary that laid the ground work to make it acceptable for repukes to use the racists attacks that she laid out("well, the Dems said this about him,so there must be something to it") to instill fears of Barack not being "American enough", not "well enough known", "not ready for the job", "who is Obama...really?". Yeah, that Hillary.

Once upon a time I supported Hillary. But not now, not ever again. Do I think that she is a racist? No. She merely put herself in the sewer in the hopes that if she could play upon the racism of other folks it could propel herself to "victory".

Influential? The only politician that recently I have seen that has been influenced by Hillary is Sarah Palin. That is the legacy of Hillary's primary run.

[Beacool]

53. Oh please, still with that tune.

Neither Hillary nor Bill are racists. Funny, how their words were used to make they seem racists, though.

Call an opponent's position on the war a "fairy tale" = racist.

Mention that Dr. King's dreams became a reality when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 = racist.

In response to a reporter mention the fact that Jesse Jackson won SC twice in the 80s = racist.

Very convenient and very effective in stirring the racial divide. The sexist crap thrown at Hillary by everybody, that just elicited a chuckle and a shrug.

[kwenu]

25. I agree that the primaries have been over for months so this thread is odd.

[mtnsnake]

28. You're odd

if you don't realize that this thread wasn't about the primaries but what happened thereafter and all thoughout the presidential campaign. Wake up for once.

[Leftist Agitator]

32. I'll tell you what's odd...

7 is odd!

[Chovexani]

36. The primaries never ended on here.

They just went undercover. Only the most brazen were banned.

Note that it is the day after the general election and people are still feeling the need to talk about PUMAs.

[Beacool]

27. Hillary went above and beyond the call to duty.

I can't recall any other candidate campaigning as hard as she did for her former opponent.

I don't know that they are close friends, more likely allies who have a common goal. Either way, Hillary will be a power in Democratic politics for years to come.

;-)

[mtnsnake]

33. Yeah, no one can be really sure

just how close friends they are, but her body language says she likes him in a sincere kind of way.

But you're right, at the very least they're "more likely allies who have a common goal", and that is good enough for me.

You and I are true friends, though, right? :)

[Beacool]

43. Friendship is not to be taken lightly.

As it was proven during the primaries, friendship means squat in politics. These politicians would stab their mother in the back to remain in power. I'm a very loyal person, if I look at someone in the eye and pledge my support, I will remain by their side until the very end. I have zero respect for the backstabbers who switched allegiance midstream, to me they are nothing but cowards.

So no, I don't think that Obama and Hillary are close friends. I do think that they are political allies who will work hard toward a common goal.

As Truman famously said: "If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog."

PS: We are cool. ;)

[TheKentuckian]

29. I'm not a fan of Hillary's primary run after Febuary when it kind of went delusional

but I'm happy to give her all the credit in the world for how hard she worked not only for Obama but for a lot of our down ticket candidates as well.

I mean she went above and beyond and demonstrated her self to be an asset to our party and more so a strong advocate for progressive policies.
I'm as proud of her and probably more so than I was disappointed in divisive and win at all cost run.

She fought tooth and nail for the party overall more than anyone has for either party that I can recall, once she accepted she lost.

[Leftist Agitator]

30. "He can't win, Bill! He can't win!"

:)

Seriously though, once the primary ended, Senator Clinton did nothing but support Barack Obama to the absolute utmost of her ability.

She is a great Democrat, and we are lucky to have her in our party.

[frickaline]

34. I appreciate

the hard work and sacrifices she made for a campaign where she had no direct personal stake. She could have been angry, bitter, or even just plain tired and quit. But instead she fought hard for the Obama campaign and helped to deliver places like Indiana. She participated in this historical election and helped to elect our first AA president. Cheer to you Hillary, I thank you. :toast:

[ScreamingMeemie]

35. I have been angry with Senator Clinton ever since she clinked

champagne glasses with her daughter at the mention of Howard Dean during the 2004 Convention. Yes, I hold a grudge. I don't care anymore.

[GetTheRightVote]

38. This is not the time to look but forward, we have a wounded country to save

leave the rest on the stoop while you enter into the White House with our new President or the hard fought battle just fought and won will have been for nothing. Individual decisions to vote for this man beyond their, every citizen, own desires will have been for nothing.

Lower your angry voices for believe me the Republicans are waiting for us to divide once again so that they can use those divisions to regain what has been built by citizens coming together under the Democratic flag for one common cause the defeat of this past Administration and in the service of stopping the damage being done to our nation and it's image aboard.

Obama would want us to put aside our differences and so we must or otherwise even though you voted for the man you truly do not believe in his message. We must remain steadfast behind our party and its newly elected President to remain a strong foundation for the remaking of the party and it's power grid for future changes to happen. For as he stated last night, for our children to be able to live the American dream. Is this not worth coming together for today and for all our tomorrows.

So which will it be him or your own selfish, unthinking pride ? Just stop it please. Do not forget as requested by so many yesterday to put out our flag and use your pride to fly it instead. I believe we all can agree on this action for this is a day to celebrate on a new leader of our newly shared future.

:kick:

[tblue37]

39. I hope he appoints her to the Supreme Court. It is a lifetime position, one

that suits her stature. She can be a force for good on the SC for years.

[Beacool]

62. She doesn't want to be in the SC.

I hope that she chooses to run again for president in the future. It's about time we have a woman president.

[Blue_Roses]

41. Hillary did an awesome job!

I'm so proud of her and appreciate all she did:D

[TexasObserver]

46. Yes, indeed. She came through. I give her much respect.

[cemaphonic]

48. Yeah, her primary campaign put me off her for awhile

But she has done a great job in the national campaign. Plus, even in the primary, she toughened him up, and I think the drama and media attention helped Obama in the long run.

[AtomicKitten]

50. revisionist history in progress

[Metric System]

57. Are you saying she didn't campaign hard for Obama?

[bigwillq]

54. I've always appreciated her.

I didn't always agree with everything she said or did, but that is the same for every politician.
At the end of the day, I really do like Hillary, and I hope she remains in government for a long time.

[TheDonkey]

55. To be fair it did take Hillary sometime to come around but she did a wonderful job

couldn't ask for more post-DNC support.