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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 01:57 PM
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How does a state go from Paul Wellstone to Coleman twice?
Something is very stinky in Minnesota. I don't believe the vote can possibly be legitimate there. Al Franken should be winning in that state. They loved Wellstone. I will never believe that those same people chose Colman again. We still need to get rid of these machines NOW. We probably would have won more seats if the voting machines were put out to pasture.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 01:59 PM
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1. It's the third party losers who are causing this.
Not to mention the effect of those winters on sensible minds.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 02:02 PM
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2. Negative ads and a third party candidate.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 02:04 PM
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3. How bad were the ads? I never saw them here. Is Al out is can he d
win in a recount? What the hell will they recount as all votes are on air?
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 02:13 PM
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6. We have paper ballots read by optiscan machines in MN. A very good
system actually. But they'll recount and look for intent that may have been missed by the scanners etc. Also provisional ballots may be an issue.

The ads showed an "angry/swearing" Franken and they painted him out as a radical etc. They were quite effective unfortunately.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 02:08 PM
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4. Yes it is very simple--a third party does throw a monkey wrench in things.
Minnesota has good and clean elections. We can't assume that every time a Democrat loses it's because of a stolen election.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 02:09 PM
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5. It isn't over until the recall. I think something is stinky too.
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Eyerish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 02:14 PM
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7. I also think
that having so many large corporations in this state has created an influx of transplants from other more red areas because of the great job base and standard of living. The demographics of the state are changing rapidly. I was born and raised in California (26 years) and I noticed the same thing happened in the 80's and 90's. They want all the luxuries of living in a blue state but don't want don't want to actually contribute anything to keep it going. I fear that these traditionally blue states will take on a purple hue for years to come. For that I am disheartened and disappointed.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 02:15 PM
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8. Large parts of rural Minnesota are quite conservative.
It isn't as blue as many would like to believe.
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 02:18 PM
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9. Minnesota has very clean voting. It's all optical-scanned paper ballots.
Minnesota seems to like having one of each party for senators, and tends to go for centrist governors. There are a lot of rural areas out there that go red on abortion.

AAAAND our lovely independent party likes to fuck things up once in awhile.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 02:20 PM
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10. I believe it.
Minnesotans rejected Al as "Hollywood financed". While fiscally liberal, their social conservatism and religious nature would cause them to balk eyes-wide at the charges of pornography. The union non-secret ballot voting was the last straw. Norm was the safer choice in their eyes. When I visited there recently, I could tell from comments of those around me that Al was considered to be too much of an outsider and not a good enough Christian for many of them. I knew this one would be a tight race. Personally, I was more surprised by the Bachmann result.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 02:20 PM
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11. People are stupid, it's that simple
it's OK for the Country to be $11 TRILLION in debt, for over 4500 of our Mothers and Fathers, sisters and Brothers, Sons and Daughters to die in an illegal war, and for tens of thousands more to be wounded. It's OK for hundreds of thousands of innocent brown people to die. It's OK to pillage a country and rape the treasury of this great land for an ideology. It's OK to approve of the Financial, mortgage, unemployment, and credit crisis because it doesn't affect them (or so they think).

It's all about stupid, and those people who voted for Coleman are nothing but stupid.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 02:23 PM
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12. They didn't take Al seriously. Maybe we should of run someone else
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