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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:03 PM
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Catholics be proud! Biden becomes the first Catholic VP!
:)
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:05 PM
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1. And the beauty of it is that his faith did not come up
I sadly remember the religious fundies spewing all sorts of garbage about JFK in 1960. Glad that we've grown up since then. I'm thinking that once Obama shows the nation what a great President he is, fears and prejudices about him will also disappear.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:06 PM
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2. he's Irish too?
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:11 PM
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6. Yup!
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:07 PM
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3. Great! Hopefully, he won't take his marching orders from the current Pope.
Not my favorite.
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Chloroplast Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:10 PM
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5. Ugh, there is something truly cold about his eyes.
I've been trying to embrace Pope Benedict but I'm still struggling.
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Chloroplast Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:08 PM
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4. Woot!
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:13 PM
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7. What's great is that Nearly No One Noticed or even seemed to care....That means we have grown .....
...as a people.

The Voters cared more about Biden's clothes and hair than they cared if he was Catholic.


I'm so glad.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:31 PM
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8. This practicing Catholic is happy. nt
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:34 PM
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9. "Why so many pro-life Catholics backed Obama"
Why so many pro-life Catholics backed Obama
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November 5, 2008

BY ANDREW GREELEY

It would appear from the pre-election polls that more than half of American Catholics voted for Barack Obama. How could they do that when their bishops ordered them to vote for John McCain? In fact, no such order was issued, though some bishops came pretty close to it. Most bishops were content with a somewhat obscure statement about the evil of abortion which also urged Catholics to consider all the items on the Catholic pro-life agenda.

Some years ago, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger issued a statement on the subject to which he added a footnote about cooperation in evil. Sometimes such cooperation can be "formal and direct," as when one votes for a pro-choice candidate because one deliberately agrees with and supports that position. Other times, however, the voter does not approve of the candidate's position on abortion but votes for him because of other "proportionate" reasons. Then the cooperation is "material and indirect."

What might such a reason be?

It might have been that while the candidate did not reject abortion, he supported most of the other Catholic positions on life, i.e. he condemned unjust wars, the death penalty, torture, kidnapping, cruelty to immigrants that his opponents implicitly support.

Some bishops and priests argue that abortion is such a horrible evil that there can be no proportionate reason. That might be their opinion, but it goes beyond Catholic ethical demands. Another -- and similar -- stand might be that the Catholic voter would have to abstain from all politics since there are very few political leaders who support the whole list of Catholic life issues. Opposition to abortion does not by itself exhaust the moral obligations of the Catholic social ethic.

The pro-choice enthusiasts who think they have fulfilled their moral responsibility when they reduce that social ethic to abortion do not understand Catholic teaching. Abortion certainly violates Catholic respect for life, but so do many other actions that are common in many modern societies -- like torture, the death penalty, unjust war, cruelty to the elderly, abuse of children, racial injustice -- what the late Cardinal Joseph Bernardin called the seamless garment of life.

If McCain were elected, we were told, he would have appointed judges who would have reversed Roe vs. Wade. Perhaps that would have happened, but we kid ourselves if we think that the present court would in fact do that. Moreover, if it did, state laws would continue to apply.

Ultimately, Catholics must strive to persuade others by the depth and power of their commitment to life issues. Ranting at others because they are "killing babies" may be emotionally satisfying, but it doesn't change people's minds. In a society like ours, one needs to build a coalition to change people's minds on such an issue. Arguing with them and trying to impose the Catholic notion of natural law on them by political power won't work.

Only living the whole Catholic social ethic, as difficult as that may be, will provide examples that may change the anti-Catholic prejudice that the most fanatical pro-lifers create. It will not be an easy task. But Catholics can only achieve any progress against abortion by the good example of their lives.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/greeley/1259897,CST-EDT-greel05.article
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:38 PM
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12. I love Andrew Greeley and am so glad he was wrong about the election.
He thought McCain would win because white voters would have a hard time supporting Obama.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 07:19 PM
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15. Fr. Greeley and I used to e-mail back and forth..LOL, he referred
to Barack as "my man."... I love him...
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:36 PM
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10. I'm so pleased for Joe Biden. And for us!
I love this team of Obama and Biden, and I'm so happy that Joe has finally been nationally recognized in this positive way.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:37 PM
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11. I pray that he will have a successful vice-presidency
in the name of Jesus, Mary, Joseph, the apostles and martyrs Peter and Paul, Andrew, James, John, Thomas, James, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Simon and Jude; and Linus, Cletus, Clement, Sixtus, Cornelius, Cyprian, Lawrence, Chrysogonus, John and Paul, Cosmas and Damian and all the saints.

(from a former altar-boy).
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:40 PM
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13. I would like some dem senators to arrange ties in important legislation, just so Joe could vote
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 05:41 PM
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14. One day we'll have the first Catholic Pres. too
;)
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 07:20 PM
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16. You forgot the sarcasm button, right? JFK????
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