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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:49 PM
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Will you still worry about stolen elections in the future?
Or do you feel, after Obama's relatively drama-free, decisive victory last night, that maybe things are starting to look up?
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Bonn1997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:50 PM
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1. Hell yes! The fact that one out of three this decade wasn't stolen doesn't re-assure me
It's definitely a good question, though. My hope is that the Democrats enact meaningful election reform. And getting as close as possible to 60 Senators would help.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:53 PM
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5. Well, to be fair, the 2006 midterms didn't appear to have many problems.
Though I guess it's different than the Presidential ones.
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CatBO Donating Member (713 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:51 PM
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2. Until there is 100% verified voting
YES
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 07:01 PM
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16. There is no reason why we shouldn't have that,
regardless of the results of a particular election.

We also need to fix things so that no one should have to stand in line for hours on end before they can vote!
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:51 PM
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3. Yes, because that's all they have left.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:52 PM
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4. Very much so. Republicans are already working to find
new ways to cage voters and rig the elections.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:53 PM
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6. We cannot always count on having a LANDSLIDE turnout to overcome trickery.
There were documented incidents of voter purging this time. There were purging cases that were prevented this time. There were vote flipping machines again.

We were lucky to have had everyone working hard enough to get a huge turnout that overwhelmed the usual Republican tricks.

Voting systems are set up state by state. We need some national minimum standards, like paper ballots and random auditing of results. Now we will have an administration that supports the right to vote and we can move those things forward.
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FedoraLV Donating Member (226 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 07:32 PM
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21. Agreed /nt
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:55 PM
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7. Now that we have power, we need to make sure
we have verified voting. I'd prefer going back to old fashioned paper ballots to be honest!
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:55 PM
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8. Yes.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:56 PM
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9. Until we take away control of the vote-counting process
Edited on Wed Nov-05-08 06:57 PM by bushwentawol
from companies like Diebold there's always a little uneasiness with me. In my opinion one reason we saw what we did last night was that the powers that be in the gop didn't have that same urgency with McCain as they did with Bush. They were unrelenting at getting * into office one way or another. They even had a different slate of Florida electors to the Electoral College ready to go if need be. I'm sure there were other things as well.
I never once saw that kind of push behind McCain.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:57 PM
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10. Yes. The Republicans will be looking for ways to disenfranchise
We need election reform. I'm for paper ballots, pens/pencils and then eyeballs counting the votes. And that means counting up the down ballot candidates and issues, too.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:57 PM
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11. A Dem shouldn't HAVE to have a 10% margin and a crazy old man opponent to claim their wins.
Gore likely won by 3% and Kerry 5%. 2002 candidates including popular Governors lost to election fraud. What do you THINK a key aspect of the US attorney scandal is about, anyway?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:58 PM
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12. Every day until our legislators come up with a
tamper proof system that can't be gamed. A first step is to incorporate sound accounting principles like you would with your money. A double entry system makes it harder to cheat. The single entry system we now use invites theft from the unscrupulous.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:58 PM
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13. Yes, and that's why a group like Secretary of State Project is important
www.secstateproject.org

They endorsed 4 candidates for the SOS position this year, and so far, it seems they've batted 1000%
2 clear-cut victories and 2 squeakers.

These are the folks who alerted the netroots about Jennifer Brunner in Ohio, and helped get her elected in 2006.

This is an org well worth supporting, and donating $$ to candidates.

:kick::kick::kick:
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 06:58 PM
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14. My candidate won so there is nothing wrong with the election process......
.....and leave the electoral college alone.....and the touchscreens are OK.....and the long lines were worth it....

Yeah. My candidate won, so the process works OK.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 07:01 PM
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15. ALWAYS, from now on.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 07:08 PM
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17. I worked in Columbus .... cheating is still very real
We had 9% of all voters had all their votes dropped.

The tickects and log books showed they voted but the EES machines
showed no voting activity.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 07:09 PM
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18. I didn't wait in line for six hours only to be turned away, so I see no problems with the system
And I'm sure voting machines are as hack-proof and accurate as ATM machines, because in a democracy surely we would settle for nothing less.

So no worries. (um, just to be sure: :sarcasm:)
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DeadManInc Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 07:15 PM
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19. We had too much of a lead to steal it this time.The closer the election,
the easier it will be to steal it.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 07:17 PM
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20. HELL YES! nt
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