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Liberalboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 08:19 PM
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16 Years ago
My husband and I were talking about this today, that yesterday felt eerily like 1992 to a lot of GLBT folks. Picture it, Bill Clinton had just won the Presidency from 12 years of Reagan-Bush and the Conservative revolution of the early 80's with the moral majority. People celebrated, boomers rejoiced at having a turn at the helm and GLBTers from across the nation were excited that a President who acknowledged them, courted them and embraced them had just won the Presidency.

However, that night in Colorado an Amendment to the Colorado Constitution was passed (Amendment 2) that basically stated that no local entity (cities like Denver) had the right to extend non-discrimination policies to gays and lesbians without state approval; furthermore it singled out gays and lesbains and stated that they could be denied services because of their sexual orientation since they were not a covered class under the State Constitution.

It ended up in the courts for years and finally the U.S. Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional; the religious right didn't stop there though they changed their wording and tried in other states. 16 years later Colorado may finally have a state-wide non-discrimination clause that includes GLBTers, but the United States does not. 16 years later Don't Ask, Don't Tell is still the law of the land, 16 years later Matthew Shepard is a distant memory and his Hate Crimes Act still sits there. 16 years later and GLBTers once more find themselves outside the party, crying.

16 years later we now have another new Democratic President after a long and arduous 8 years of Republicanism, and now DUers get angry and upset when we come to this board for support and talk about our losses. Another Amendment of blatant discrimination has passed, this time in Calfornia, and we are told to sit down, to shut up, to hang on for a few more months, to not rock the boat, to remember what happened to Clinton, to stay in the back of the bus, to not waste time. I'm sorry, I cannot wait another 16 years.

The Democrats seem to like gay and lesbian's money, they seem to like our votes on election day, and they seem to talk a pretty good game, but when it comes down to it I'm still looking for hope, I'm still looking for a President who will not back down from the promises he made to us, and for that I have hope in President-Elect Obama.

It's the rest of you I'm worried about.

President-Elect Obama said he can't change America without us, he told us last night he needed our help, our guidance and our commitment. So are you all going to stick by your GLBT brothers and sisters or are you going to be like those blue Californians who sealed our fate.

Flame me if you want, but after 16 years I no longer have the patience.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 08:25 PM
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1. I don't see where Obama had anything to do with these atrocious bans.
The people in the states put them on the ballot and voted for them. It sucks, but I'm not sure I understand
your anger at Obama.
Now, Clinton, OTOH, promised to overturn the ban on gays in the military and ended up settling for DADT.
It was a stupid compromise that left gays in the military just as vulnerable, if not more than before.
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Liberalboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 08:27 PM
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2. I have NO anger at Obama...
I have anger at Democrats who voted for this in California and I have anger towards the threads I've seen on DU stating that instead of coming to DU and looking for support we should just sit down and shut up
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 09:03 PM
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3. Oh. I'm sorry, I missed that. It's hard for me to imagine voting for some shit
like that. All the Dems I know wouldn't do that in a million years.

I'm sorry that anyone would tell you to shut up. I'd be heartbroken too. I
was pretty shocked that CA voted for it. I knew FL would, lots of bible-thumpers down there
unfortunately.

My feeling is that until religion is ousted from politics, we'll be seeing bigoted shit like this.
Religion is a cover for a lot of shit in this world.

I'm truly sorry that these sick measures passed. And that somebody dissed your feelings about it. :-(
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-05-08 09:06 PM
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4. We need to microtarget
The bigest problem appears to be with African Americans and Latinos.

We need to microtarget those two groups with an appropriate message to convince them that GBLT people deserve the same rights they have.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 12:43 AM
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5. No, it's with AAs.
Latinos were split almost half and half, while 70% of AAs voted for it.
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