I think it's time to collect signatures for a referendum to require Mormons to leave California

[bluestateguy]

I mean, if civil rights are up for a majority vote, why not? Everybody will get to vote, and the majority will rule. But if the people say "leave", then they must pack their bags and leave California.

[Chloroplast]

1. Just stop.

[Buzz Clik]

2. Blaming the Mormons? Good gawd.

You figure California is more than 50% Mormon?

Prop 8 pisses off Dems from coast to coast, but it represents a real F*** up by the opposition to it.

[Fran Kubelik]

6. 77 percent of the money to support prop 8 came from the Mormons

:shrug:
I think blaming the Mormons might be just fine.

[Buzz Clik]

7. Those who opposed Prop 8 had their asses kicked by those who supported it.

Now, it's on the books and getting it off will be that much harder.

Blame the Mormons if you want, but a big coordinated effort is now necessary.

[gypsylud]

33. What's your proof?

was it from the church or from individuals. Please post link. I'm not being an ass, I just really want to know if this is true.

edit fer englesh

[Fran Kubelik]

37. here you go

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/the-mormon-fact.html

[rucky]

13. They're taking credit ...

http://www.kutv.com/content/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=12e853c1-b17f-443c-a88e-f9f9698cd98a

So they deserve some blame.

[Marrah_G]

16. The Mormons funded a huge portion of the anti-gay campaign

They came from SLC and put a slew of money into an amendment for the constitution of ANOTHER state. They targeted minority churches and immigrant areas, blanketing the state with their own special kind f hatred and bigotry.

Their hatred was SO intense that they felt the need to cross a couple state lines to spread it.

If Mormons as a group don't want to get blamed then perhaps they should impress their views on their church elders.

Yes the asking them to leave the state is silly and the poster I'm sure knows that.

But their anger at the Moromons is justified, right along side anger at the Catholic Church.

[iamthebandfanman]

43. i dunno if its about blaming anybody , but

the OP has a point...

we should go crazy with outrageous votes to take away everybody elses rights

[Fran Kubelik]

3. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!

:patriot:

[BuyingThyme]

4. Absolutely.

[msongs]

5. how bout outlaw christian marriage, or even better, outlaw divorce like jesus says nt

[jesus_of_suburbia]

15. I believe that people shouldn't be allowed to remarry after divorce. That's what the Bible

says.....




All these religious people who want to follow the Bible need to be consistent.

That also goes for anyone religious on DU who is against gay marriage!

Oh, and no sex outside of marriage please.

[Cronus Protagonist]

8. I'll volunteer to gather signatures for that

Seriously. I'll stand outside the tabernacle in W. LA and collect sigs from the passers by.

[LibDemAlways]

9. Maybe the petition should call for those who

voted for this travesty to leave. I saw Pro 8 signs in my neighborhood on lawns of a lot of non-Mormons.

Though the Mormon church poured money into the Yes campaign, Catholic churches, and conservative evangelical type churches were vocal in their support as well.

This thing apparently passed because the homophobes in this state - of all religious stripes - still outnumber those who believe in equality and live and let live.

[Kajsa]

12. Don't forget the extreme scare tactics

used in the "yes on 8' ads.

Lie, after BSing lie was spewed out to scare the voters
into passing it!

I know I'm repeating myself but DAMN!,

we've got to get 'truth in advertising' applicable
to campaigns and campaign ads.

:grr:

The voters deserve no less!

[leftofcool]

23. Absolutely! Let's exterminate all the Mormons, Catholics,

and all other evangelicals that do not agree with our way of thinking. After all, Hitler did it. We did it to Native Americans, why not others?

[Chloroplast]

28. But...but...they started it first!

Our hatred towards them is okay because they wanted to hate us first. *sigh* For some, having a group to blame is much easier that actually fighting to get a goal accomplished.

[rucky]

10. They're Mormon by choice, and that threatens the sanctity of my religious beliefs.

just sayin'

[marshall]

29. They are also an ethnic group

The Harvard Encyclopedia of American Ethnic Groups lists Mormons as an ethnicity.
Gale Encyclopedia of Multicultural America has an entry on "Mormon-Americans".

[musicblind]

31. LoL. Now THAT was a good one

:rofl:

[Robbins]

11. Here Is a Idea

If they want to make It Illegal for Gays to marry how about banning all Marrage.

[DBoon]

14. I want another constitutional amendment

banning marriage among Republicans

[marshall]

17. Another Extermination Order?

In 1838 the governor of Missouri:
"...the Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary for the public peace—their outrages are beyond all description."

[SoonerPride]

19. If the majority votes on it, why would anyone object?

:sarcasm:

[leftofcool]

24. Why indeed?

Didn't we pretty much exterminate most Native American tribes? As I recall there were over 700 various tribes when "Columbo" arrived. There are less than 100 now. We are good at exterminating folks.

[SoonerPride]

38. I live on stolen land.

So do you.

You either learn to accept the crimes of your forefathers or I suggest you move out of the country, because all this land is stained with lies and the blood of native peoples.

[leftofcool]

18. Anyone else you want to exterminate?

[SoonerPride]

21. Those who would exterminate me.

Civil rights aren't up for a vote.

[leftofcool]

25. Ask a few Native Americans about extermination

Good God Some Dems are just plain damn stupid

[slampoet]

42. Amen.

[SweetieD]

45. Please no one wants to exterminate you. Don't create false equivalencies. Marraige rights are not

the same as slavery, genocide, expulsion or extermination. This line of argument makes me absoultely sick. People, including straight people, have never had an unequivocal right to get married to whoever they want.(i.e. laws against incestuous marraige, polygamy, polyandry etc.) That is why the marraige issue is trickier than other civil rights issues on constitutional grounds. Gay marraige will be a reality one day just not now. Do not give up hope. It took almost a 100 years from the end of slavery to the civil rights act. Time is on our side.

[SoonerPride]

46. Then you fucking wait 100 years to get married. Time is not on my side, thanks.

I love how preachy you fuckers get.

[Left Is Write]

47. Denial of these basic rights to gay people marginalizes them in a way that makes it okay

to think of them as lesser people, perhaps even less than human.

Government-sanctioned discrimination against gay people makes homophobes feel justified in their hatred. And as long as this continues, gay people will continue to be on the receiving end of that hatred.

Ask Matthew Shepard whether anyone wanted to "exterminate" him.

[bluestateguy]

32. You do know that I was being facetious?

nt

[jonnyblitz]

35. i think they are being willfully ignorant so they can feign outrage.

it's obvious to the rest of us you were illustrating a point.

[Left Is Write]

48. It seems a lot of people are missing that.

I thought you made your point pretty clearly.

[Youphemism]

20. If they used donations/tithings, they should lose their tax exempt status. Investigation time...

If part or all of that lobbying money came from tax exempt money to the church, they are a lobbying institution and not a tax-exempt church.

If it was taxed money, but it was collected in a church, or if there was a solicitation for that money in church, they should also lose their tax exempt status.

I think there's a solid legal foundation for this action. Some lawyers should get involved.

[Freddie Stubbs]

30. The tax code permits churches to advocate on issues and legislation, but not for CANDIDATES

[SoonerPride]

40. then change the code

they should talk about Jebus or the Flying Spaghetti Monster and leave laws unto man.

[cbc5g]

22. They shouldn't be tax exempt, that's for sure

Tax the fuckers

[IndianaJones]

26. why? nt.

[bluestateguy]

36. I was making a facetious point

They seem to believe that it's acceptable to put people's civil rights on a ballot for a majority vote.

How would they feel if others put their civil rights up for a majority vote?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. You could make a proposition removing the right to marriage.

Marriage should be defined as a marriage between two non-mormon people, just like the Founding Fathers believed.

Kind of like the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[asdjrocky]

27. Where do I sign?

[ContinentalOp]

34. No, let's just remove state tax exemption from all churches.

We'll call it the "Religious Equality Act." Make it so that the funding must go toward schools or something so we can call it a school funding act.

[slampoet]

41. I think you should ASK PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN CALIFORNIA



Or is this more about expressing your anger to strangers than it is about getting political progress from your neighbors?

[iamthebandfanman]

44. maybe they should try to ban straight people from getting married

just to make a point... since california is down with taking peoples rights away, maybe an example should be made...

[SalviaBlue]

49. Where do I sign.

[mmonk]

50. Put forth a constitutional amendment that outlaws divorce.

They shouldn't be against that, right? Add a provision for death by stoning for infidelity.

[Jed Dilligan]

51. Just remove their tax-exempt status in the state.

They'll leave in a hurry.

[SalviaBlue]

52. My town in Central CA has 90,000 people and 10 Mormon churches.

I have many Mormons in my neighborhood. They were out IN FORCE to push H8. There were CHILDREN on the street corners waiving their signs. Many other churches were involved also, but I blame the Mormons for this. It has changed my view of them. I have been courted by them to join when I was younger. I was fired from a job when the new owner was Mormon and found out I was not. But for the most part, I have thought they were "live and let live." NO MORE. They have crossed the line. I will support any efforts to curtail their political activities. OR, they can pay taxes and do whatever they want. At least we know where they stand now.

[SalviaBlue]

55. One more thing.

My Mormon neighbor who was canvasing the neighborhood and handing out Yes on H8 signs was the election official at my polling place. I am sure that Mormons infiltrated these positions big time as part of their strategy.

They really need to be stopped.

[JimDandy]

53. No - you simply run a "Defense of Marriage" initiative in Utah

that makes it mandatory:
1. for the state to prosecute every instance of polygamy (and the inevitable welfare fraud that accompanies it);
2. to prosecute both the husband and the wives (which they NEVER have done, even for welfare fraud);and
3. for judges to impose set prison sentences (no discretion) on every polygamist.

Do this the next time they put up a Mormon presidential candidate.

[marshall]

54. Why do they only prosecute the men?

I was watching a BBC program about people with GSA--Genetic Sexual Attraction. Usually it involves brothers and sisters who did not grow up together, meet as adults, and experience an intense love for each other. One of the couples interviewed was a brother and sister from Germany. They have had four children together. The man has been sentenced to two separate jail terms of over three years, but the woman was never even charged with anything and in fact got to keep the youngest child (the older three were taken away at birth).
Why can't people just stay out of other people's sex lives when they are both consenting adults, whether they are same gender or suffer from GSA or whatever?

[JimDandy]

56. Incest IS a valid reason

for society and the government to interfere in adults' consensual sexual and marital affairs. The health of human society and the species is negatively affected by the genetic consequences of incest.

Gender, though, is not a valid reason for societal or government interference in adults' consensual sexual and marital affairs.

I think the females aren't prosecuted for financial reasons - the state would end up caring for the the children. The solution could be jailing one parent at a time, but BOTH definitely should be prosecuted! "It takes two to tangle."

edited to answer your question.

[marshall]

57. Older parents are as likely to have genetic issues as younger related parents

It's a slippery slope, and it's mostly supported by tradition, but actual evidence shows that older parents (over 35 to 40) are as likely to have genetic issues in their children as related younger parents.

I for one would not like to see conditions being placed on who can and cannot reproduce. But it's an issue that we as a society decide.

[JimDandy]

59. I'm not buying the GSA you're selling. n/t

[No Elephants]

58. IMO, we'll be much better off making this about separation of church and state

and/or equal legal rights for all than about Mormonism. If you make it about Mormons, you will unite them with other Christians, many of whom are now either leery of them or actually believe they are Satanic. However, if Mormons seem to be getting persecuted because of a religious belief than many other Christians share, you are likely to help Mormons go mainstream.

[Independent_Voice]

60. As a Californian....

I'd prefer to see us expend our collective energy on putting up a PRODUCTIVE ballot referendum that actually has a chance of passing.

Such as this one...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=141x32495