I Never Meant to Be Derogatory to Obama When I wrote "Owes Hillary" yesterday

[SuperTrouper]

I never meant to be derogatory to Obama, God knows how much I campaigned for him, but I meant
that due to Hillary's tough campaign he was able to immunize himself against Pastorgate, Ayersgate, Bittergate...he was so immunized against them that McCain and Palin looked ridiculous and desperate when they brought them up again. You know that McCain and his allies splashed Pastorgate over and over the TV channels for 3 days prior to the lection and it did not work, as a matter of fact it backfired. Obama was a great candidate but like in every tough race, if you had a tough primary against someone then you are better equipped to handle the GE, which Obama did beautifully. That is what I meant.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. When you claim it's a good thing that Clinton implied Obama was a terrorist...

by associating him with Ayers, it's going to be awfully hard for many people to take you seriosuly.

[SuperTrouper]

2. Her claim immunized him for the GE. See, it backfired on Palin and McCain

The thing that made some progress for McCain is "Taxes" because we had not discussed that issue at length in the Primaries; nonetheless, Obama's campaign was able to win the issue against McCain.
I think that instead of fighting over the primaries we should remain united and give both Obama and Hillary their due. I believe Hillary is a great Democrat and so is Obama.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Yes, I get your logic.

You're wrong, but I follow your logic.

[PresidentObama]

11. Clinton never claimed that, but nice try with your smears on Democrats n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. The OP states that as a given.

Try to follow along.

[PresidentObama]

14. Hillary never implied Obama was a terrorist, you're lying--again n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Tell it to the OP.

He's claiming Hillary's guilt-by-association attack by bringing up "terrorist" Bill Ayers was a good thing.

[PresidentObama]

16. You're the one who made the Hillary-Obama-terrorist claim, don't back off because I called you out.

You know you're lying, I know you're lying.

Don't point to the OPer and say "HE DID IT!" once you get called out for your inaccurate smears.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. You yourself have made the same connection.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=7337909

"purposely distorting the truth to try and pretend that some how Barack Obama was "palling around" with domestic terrorists, and trying to make up some good relationship between the two men that doesn't exist and isn't there."

[PresidentObama]

21. You're not smart, I said that about Palin's claims that he palls around with terrorists, not HRC

Hillary didn't make that claim, Palin did.

You're still running away from your claim.

Maybe you know it's false.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. Kerry2008, who am I supposed to believe in this situation?

Kerry2008 or Kerry2008?

[PresidentObama]

24. How about you don't twist my words, I was talking about Palin's remarks--quit changing subject

Show me the quotes where Hillary Clinton implied Obama is a terrorist.

You made the claim, not me. You haven't backed it up, and instead are running away from it.

And you're taking my words about Palin and saying I said them about Hillary? Use your brain, please.

[IndianaJones]

25. you have to see that he gets off on this right? its the last enjoyment in the life of a shut-in. nt

[PresidentObama]

26. I know, he's running away from his own claims and trying to change the subject.

His response to me calling him out on the lies he just told about Hillary?

Blame it on the OPer.

When that doesn't fly, he then drags out some thread I created to counter Palin's "palling around" with terrorist claims.

Hillary didn't claim that, Palin did.

He said Hillary implied Obama was a terrorist, I'm still waiting for him to back it up.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

28. Kerry2008, for the last couple of months...

People at DU and elsewhere have held firm to the belief that implying Obama is a terrorist via guilt by association with Bill Ayers is highly racist, deeply despicable, and offensive to anybody with a shred of dignity.

I see no reason to suddenly reverse that stance.

[PresidentObama]

31. So you can't back up your claim that Hillary impled Obama was a terrorist? So you're a liar? n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. ...

"Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid directorship position.

And, if I'm not mistaken, that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11 and after his reported comments, which were deeply hurtful to people in New York and, I would hope, to every American, because they were published on 9/11, and he said that he was just sorry they hadn't done more.

And what they did was set bombs. And in some instances, people died."

-Hillary Clinton

So not only did she try to connect Obama and Ayers, she brought up 9-11 for good measure. But I assume you already remember that debate.

Basically, your argument boils down to "it's OK when Clinton does it."

Do I really need to explain the problem with that logic?

[Beacool]

3. Don't worry, only the usual suspects got offended.

It was a lovely unity post until the perpetual Clinton haters had to piss all over it.

Thanks for trying!!!

:hug:

[stillcool]

5. that's like saying ..

I should be grateful that my parents beat the shit out of me, because when I got older and got the shit kicked out of me it didn't hurt so bad. My parents actually deserve some recognition for that wonderful favor they did for me.

[Solomon]

30. Thank you. I'm so sick of the Hillary people stirring up shit and

then claiming it's the anti-Hillary people who are doing it. I started off in the Hillary camp, but even I could see what she was doing.

Obama would have won anyway. I'm extremely glad that she and Bill finally came on board, but I'm not going to give them credit for the win.

[secondwind]

6. Hillary and Bill vindicated themselves these past 3 months!!

[progressivebydesign]

7. I appreciated what you were trying to say. Don't let the Clinton haters get to you.

They will not be happy until they take down everything good and right about the Clintons. They're embarrassing to watch. The Clinton haters are like the PUMAs, but they don't see it in themselves, had Hillary gotten the nomination then many of those same people would have been the PUMAS, refusing to vote for her. Some of us have gotten over the ugliness of the primaries, and others.. well.. they refuse to move on.

[Beacool]

9. Yep, they are the anti PUMAs.

They are the ones who probably wouldn't have voted for Hillary if she had been the nominee.

:eyes:

[anneboleyn]

29. Yes, I agree. Clinton made over 70 appearances for Obama too & in key states

like Florida. I am sure her support helped him at the end of the campaign.

[JohnnyLib2]

8. I appreciated the original OP and this one, too.

It really is possible to see value in one person's role without taking anything from the other. Sheeeesh!

[beyurslf]

10. Their long campaign registered 1000's of more Dems as both sides fought for every vote.

They also galvanized Democrats and kept them involved in the campaign. I believe the long primary fight helped the party in the end. PUMA's were as real as unicorns.

[PresidentObama]

13. We all understood your point, some just decided to use it to flame and to smear another Democrat n/t

[Raineyb]

34. The use of the word "owe" was offensive. How is it stirring shit to point that out? n/t

Regards

[niceypoo]

18. The primaries are over

We have won; stop your pitiful, childish, nonsense and just get over it already. This goes for everybody.

[bunnies]

19. And so you thought it would be good to start ANOTHER thread about it.

:rofl: :popcorn:

[sandnsea]

20. I think the primary helped, I was wrong at the time

I also think Obama is unique and able to turn just about anything to his benefit.

[piedmont]

23. The way I saw it, our primary process worked the way it should. And Hillary rejected being disloyal

I think a LOT more highly of Hillary Clinton today than I did 9 months ago, and Obama is our newly elected president. This was a win-win.

[NashVegas]

27. Don't Sweat It. Some People Never Stop Believing a Marketing Pitch

Because they like the product so much.

[pecwae]

32. Your weren't deragatory

the first time and you have no need to apologize or explain.