Someone take that baby from Sarah!!!!!!!!

[lady raven]

She's had FIVE KIDS. Don't tell me she doesn't know how to fucking hold a baby. Saw her tonight on Countdown, post election, dangling poor little Trig like he's a purse. She held her phone more closely and more lovingly.

I have NEVER seen her hold that baby in a loving way. She hardly ever holds him anyway, but the few times I've seen her, she holds him like a moving box. The first time I EVER saw her holding him was on a pic on Megan McCain's blog, dangling him while focused on her Blackberry.

While it's not a good idea to let a 7 year old carry a baby, at least Piper holds him lovingly. I don't think Bristol is really his mother, but the more I see SP hold him, the more I think Bristol would be a BETTER one for him.

Too bad Child Protective Services would probably never go after a Governor!

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

1. I was thinking that too

She carries him like she's holding 6 bags of groceries and trying to find her keys in her purse.

[lady raven]

4. It kills me to see it

It reminds me of that film of Britney spears when she almost dropped her baby while carefully cradling her drink.

[calimary]

33. She carries him around his rib cage and under the armpits - kinda like Michael Jackson

held his baby when he dangled the infant over that hotel balcony. You can't carry a baby around like that! You HAVE TO support the baby's bottom, and not just a sack of potatoes or some such thing.

[eleny]

12. That's a perfect analogy

[hlthe2b]

22. He is an "appendage" ... nothing more...

a rag doll, afterthought in her arms.... Very sad, actually.

[peace frog]

53. If she could loop that unfortunate infant

over her arm, she'd carry him like a handbag. All the better to free up both hands, y'know. Poor kid.

[LoKnLoD]

2. She carries that child around like he is a sack of potatoes...poor sweetie. nt

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. It's not her child. Besides, she's never raised her own children....

She's always had others doing that for her.

[lady raven]

7. Sadly, you're probably right. I wonder how much she has had to do with actually raising ANY of them.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

13. Probably nothing. She's a surgically-altered liar from head to foot.

The closest thing to truth is that she's slightly sociopathic, hoppped through colleges, was a floozy, joined a whacko church, then trampled over whoever she had to trample over to get whatever she wanted. Anything else is just her lies. Why do you think she refused over and over to release her med record? No pregnancy.

[dissemination]

68. Her medical report says she has had 5 pregnancies. Democrats

are not helped by spreading lies.

[Binka]

69. Scram! Scoot! Get Lost!

We are not helped by you spreading bullshit.

[dissemination]

72. Obama won. I and the nation--and the world are happy and

relieved about this win. Lets not spread rumors about abortions (when we do not know) at this point.

[Name removed]

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[PCIntern]

74. Medical "summary"

BWAHAHA!

ain't no facts running around the Rethug Party ever...

[TexasObserver]

86. Why would you believe a medical report from someone she picked?

Sarah Palin will have a doctor who, like her, thinks nothing of lying to protect Miss Thang.

[dissemination]

96. The same reason I believe a medical from who Obama picked.

[TexasObserver]

101. Well, there's your problem.

[JuniperLea]

90. It wasn't a medical report...

It was a statement from her doctor.

[dissemination]

97. That is true. It is the same type summary that Pres-elect Obama put out.

[truthisfreedom]

98. You're running a laundry list of rethug talking points past us.

There's another site for that.

[dissemination]

106. then go visit them.. I will not.

[JuniperLea]

100. Yep, which I also thought was lacking... eom

[Tutonic]

103. Not true. Did you ever see his report posted? It was a REPORT!

Not a letter from his personal physician.

[dissemination]

105. well, gee I did call it a report.

[Tutonic]

102. Hahaha! Read much other than the sides of cereal boxes? The

Medical Report was not released. Nice try.

[GardeningGal]

104. Really? Please provide the link to document that.

I haven't seen anything of the sort up to this point in time.

[gauguin57]

114. WHAT medical report? Last I heard she had refused to RELEASE her medical report.

Did I miss something?

[KittyWampus]

81. I am convinced it is her kid. She didn't want it but doesn't believe in abortion. She didn't gain

much weight like a lot of women who deny they are pregnant. Took the chance of not getting to a hospital when water broke.

It's a psychological problem.

And she didn't bond properly with the wee one, either.

[BuyingThyme]

5. Maybe it's a Bumble.

Bumbles bounce.

[pot luck]

6. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that she doesn't

seem to know how to hold a baby. She makes Britney Spears look like Mommy of the Year.

[firedupdem]

8. It's horrible. I noticed that tonight too. That poor kid...I cringe

every time I see that child dangling like a sack of potatos...horrible.

[jwirr]

19. But you know that if she turned him around and cuddled him he might

spit on her and mar her beauty!

[earth mom]

9. Has anyone ever seen her kiss Trig? I think Palin's a horrible mom.

And I would never say that lightly. :(

[progressivebydesign]

28. I've only seen Levi kiss that baby, at the convention when Bristol was holding it.

they're much nicer to him than the "parents" I've never seen Todd give that baby an ounce of attention.

[earth mom]

37. Yikes, that is really really sad.

How can you hold a baby and not want to kiss him? They are so beautiful at that age. Heck, I can't even hold a kitten or puppy without kissing it!


Also, I saw Palin tonight on Nightline and noticed that just like people stated on this thread, she was holding Trig like a sack of potatoes. :wow:

[Jennicut]

10. She does drag him around and as a mother of two little girls

who were babies only 3 and 4 years ago it is very odd to me the way she holds Trig. Very nonchalant....like he is a sack of potatoes, not a baby. Very odd.

[tblue]

11. I noticed that, too. I carry my purse like that. Maybe Angelina & Brad should adopt him.........?

Poor baby Trig!

[LibDemAlways]

14. The way she was holding him had to be uncomfortable for

the little guy. He was being held around the waist facing away from her and his little head was just bobbing around unsupported. She would no doubt carry one of those Neiman Marcus bags with more love and care.

[Dem2theMax]

15. My 90 year old, Keith Olbermann loving, Mother, kept saying that tonight.

And Mom pointed out that the baby was not wearing any shoes or socks. Everyone was bundled up in jackets.
You could see the wind blowing. But the poor baby probably had frozen toes.

CPS should go after her. :mad:

[JanusAscending]

21. And not even a hat!!

In Alaska....and they said it was colder than usual!! She was cold enough to run when getting off the plane, and poor Trig?? left to dangle out there in the wind and cold. If she doesn't love him, give him to someone who will!!! She's a ROTTEN mother!

[Dem2theMax]

32. I didn't even think of that. You lose most of your body heat from the top of your head.

Toss in Alaskan weather... :mad:

She must abhor that child. I hope she lets someone else raise him. Someone who will love him. Sigh.

[TheCoxwain]

60. How Wierd .. I was thinking the same thing .... WOW .. I am not alone..

May be she hates the kid ... and had to have him for political expediency

[hamsterjill]

62. She is a rotten mother!

The way she carries that little boy and the amount of attention that she pays to him is horrible. I've never seen her kiss him or hold him close to her like normal mothers instinctively do with their children.

He always looks like he's stiff as a board, too. That may be something that is related to his DS issues - I am not familiar enough with the condition to know, but regardless, most mothers CUDDLE their babies!!!

[jwirr]

16. I saw that also and thought the same thing. nt

[quiet.american]

17. I noticed it, too, but thought it was just me being over-critical. nt

[Erin Elizabeth]

18. Normally I'm not super critical of fellow mothers

except in the case of obvious abuse or neglect. This is because I'm a mom and I know how hard the job is.

HOWEVER, I do have to say, I have noticed the exact same thing everyone is describing here. It really struck me tonight, when they were showing back to back clips of her on some news channel. Anytime she had the baby, she held him more like an item than an infant. I've never seen her hold him close to her face. I've never seen her look at him the way I've seen mothers look at their babies. And that child isn't big enought to tote him around--I watched her tonight carry him on the tarmac (the youngest daughter) and he's almost too big for her to carry easily. His head was swinging all around and he barely fit in her arms.

It does remind me a lot of how Britney Spears carried her babies back when she had custody of them.

And given all the other ugly stuff we've learned about her personality, I find myself even more feeling sorry for her kids. No wonder the oldest one went off to Iraq.

[eridani]

38. Yep. Really weird. The parents I've known who had a lot of paid help with childcare--

--were usually extra attentive and careful when they did spend time with their kids.

[buzzycrumbhunger]

61. Oldest son. . .

went off to Iraq because he was given a choice of that or going to jail for vandalizing 50 school buses. Wasn't enough to farm him off to MN to escape justice.

I think there will be a lot of interesting tidbits coming out about this family. According to a friend with very good friends in Wasilla, we've only begun to scratch the surface. }(

I love how the apologists are not only trying to portray this as a smear, but have cited DU as a source. LOL

[Bobbie Jo]

20. It's not natural...

When my girls were babies, I learned to multitask holding one in my arm and a 3yr old within reach. The only time I ever carried a baby 'like that' was to maneuver them from one spot to another. This is the only way I've ever seen her carry him.

It's odd.

[Muttocracy]

23. never eye contact - why not on her hips? one of my friends joked that's what hips were for. nt

[Boudica the Lyoness]

66. Yes, hips.

I always carried my boys on my hips at that age. I was doing some farm work with my father in-law while holding my boy (8 months) for hours on my hip, I asked him to hold him for a moment and he was surprised how heavy he was and wondered how I could do it. But that is what hips are for. I loved it because I could kiss and talk to them as I held them close.
Palin has mental problems. It's all about her.

[FloridaJudy]

24. She *never* looks into that child's face

For this OB/GYN nurse with over thirty years of experience, that is a real red flag. It's clearly the behavior of a woman who never really bonded with her child. Mothers like that don't necessarily neglect or abuse their children, but the odds of it go way up.

Combined that with the clear symptoms of a Narcissistic Personality Disorder Sarah's evidenced throughout this campaign, and I don't hold much hope that this child will get the kind of attention he needs to live up to his potential.

[Hissyspit]

29. I too think she is a clinical narcissist.

But I am a not an expert.

[midnight armadillo]

45. Amen she is

Trig is only useful to her insofar as he gets her attention.

He will not have a happy life in that household, I suspect.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

91. I agree and Trig is a constant reminder to her that she isn't perfect.

[lady raven]

107. He's a sweet baby and doesn't deserve her as a mother.

[CoffeeCat]

25. No mother holds their baby like that...

...and Palin always holds Trig like that.

I still maintain that he's not her baby.

Have you seen how Bristol holds and looks at Trig? She looks at him the way that I looked
at my babies--when they were babies. I've NEVER, EVER seen Palin look at Trig, snuggle him,
or hold him close.

I'm a mother...and she is not that child's mother.

I think we'll see more evidence regarding this, after this family returns to Alaska.

You can't hold up the facade forever, especially when there's no Presidential election forcing you
to hold up a facade.

[LynneSin]

40. If Bristol has a miscarriage then we know that Trig was hers

no reason for Bristol to carry to term now.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

89. Lynne, did it ever occur to you that the baby might be Track's? His girlfriend

was on the campaign trail with the Wasilla Hillbilly.

[KittyWampus]

84. You are incorrect. Some mothers DO treat their babies like that. Ones that have psychological

issues that prevent them from bonding with the baby.

[spiderpig]

26. I've never had kids and never changed a diaper, but even I noticed

she was handling the baby with less care and concern than I exercise when hauling a bag of cat litter from the garage.
She is vile, a total hypocrite, and I feel terrible for that innocent child.

[DiehardLiberal]

27. Me, too!

I've never had kids and it jumped out at me when I saw that tonight! She is one cold bitch!!!

I would be more warm with that baby than she is...

[spiderpig]

30. Isn't it infuriating?

Here's someone who wants to deny others their reproductive privacy, wants to thrust her "family values" (gag) on everyone else, challenges the rights of those with different gender orientation - and exploits a special-needs infant for her own self-aggrandizement.

And for what it's worth, Tahhhhd give me the creeps!:scared:

Hey - welcome to DU, DiehardLiberal!:hi::toast:

[mahina]

31. I sure hope someone loves that child,

because it is clear as day that SP does not, whatever her biological relationship is. Poor thing.

[piedmont]

34. This is the most Freeperish thread I've ever seen on DU.

Some of y'all on this thread have lost your ever-loving minds.

[youthere]

87. One lone voice ...

I agree...I can't believe what I'm reading on this thread.

[piedmont]

35. This is the most Freeperish thread I've ever seen on DU.

Some of y'all on this thread have lost your ever-loving minds.

[NatBurner]

50. you probably didn't see the clip

it was horrible

[lady raven]

108. I'm sorry you feel that way, but some of us are REALLY bothered by the way she handles him. n/t

[Withywindle]

36. I was just thinking of all the Barack-with-babies pictures and threads.

Obviously he's never given birth, but he at least knows how to handle a baby so that the baby feels safe, and he makes eye contact. Strangers' babies! And his close rapport with his own children is obvious.

I'm a woman who's never given birth and doesn't want to, but wow - when I had my friends' babies to hold, I was kind of in awe of the responsibility, and even though I'm kind of socially-inept when it comes to the pre-literate, I sure wanted to leave a positive impression on the tiny little person.

[Snazzy]

39. yeah, well

[Why Syzygy]

41. It is horrifying.

I saw that too. I'm glad someone else mentioned it because I wanted to.

Down's babies frequently have so many more issues, one of which is intestinal defects. No telling what she is doing to his internal organs carrying him like that.

I also worry that he will not get the care he deserves. Didn't she CUT funds for special needs children in her state? When will he have his eyes and hearing checked? Ever? Mentally disabled people hold a special place in my heart. The most rewarding jobs ever were working with them, both as children and adults.

I wouldn't be surprised if he is Bristoll's baby. But, statistically, he is much more likely to have been born to S. Palin.

http://www.marchofdimes.com/professionals/14332_1214.asp

The outlook for individuals with Down syndrome is far brighter than it once was. Most of the health problems associated with Down syndrome can be treated, and life expectancy is now about 55 years (2). Individuals with Down syndrome are more likely than unaffected individuals to have one or more of the following health conditions:

* Heart defects. Almost half of babies with Down syndrome have heart defects (3). Some defects are minor and may be treated with medications, while others require surgery. All babies with Down syndrome should be examined by a pediatric cardiologist, a doctor who specializes in heart diseases of children, and have an echocardiogram (a special ultrasound examination of the heart) in the first two months of life so that heart defects can be treated (2, 3).
* Intestinal defects. About 12 percent of babies with Down syndrome are born with intestinal malformations that require surgery (3).
* Vision problems. More than 60 percent of children with Down syndrome have vision problems, including crossed eyes (esotropia), near- or far-sightedness and cataracts (3). Glasses, surgery or other treatments usually can improve vision. A child with Down syndrome should be examined by a pediatric ophthalmologist (eye doctor) within the first six months of life and have regular vision exams (3).
* Hearing loss. About 75 percent of children with Down syndrome have some hearing loss (3). Hearing loss may be due to fluid in the middle ear (which may be temporary), a nerve or both. Babies with Down syndrome should be screened for hearing loss at birth or by 3 months of age. They also should have regular hearing exams so any problems can be treated before they hinder development of language and other skills (3).
* Infections. Children with Down syndrome tend to have many colds and ear infections, as well as bronchitis and pneumonia. Children with Down syndrome should receive all the standard childhood immunizations, which help prevent some of these infections.
* Thyroid problems, leukemia and seizures (3)
* Memory loss. Individuals with Down syndrome are more likely than unaffected individuals to develop Alzheimer's disease (characterized by progressive memory loss, personality changes and other problems). Adults with Down syndrome tend to develop Alzheimer's disease at an earlier age than unaffected individuals. Studies suggest that about 25 percent of adults with Down syndrome over age 35 have symptoms of Alzheimer's disease (2).

Some individuals with Down syndrome may have a number of these problems, while others may have none. The severity of these conditions varies greatly.

[Saphire]

42. No signs of affection for him. I've noticed that, too.

[bushisanidiot]

57. Yep. She never looks at his face or kisses him.

It's very sad.

[Inspired]

43. Let us not become what we hate the most. n/t

[Patiod]

44. I saw the youngest one carrying him like a neglected doll

Wondered if it was Trig or a doll - hoped it was a doll - but now that you mention the "no shoes or socks" - it may have been Trig.

At least Sarah doesn't dangle the poor guy.

[ecstatic]

46. So much in common with Britney Spears...are they related?

:shrug:

[JBoy]

47. Paying attention to Trig would require her to not think of herself. Can't be done.

[City Lights]

48. Did my eyes decieve me, or was she wearing an "Alaska Governor" hoodie?

I've been trying to find pictures to get a closer look, but haven't had any success.

And I was appalled by the way she was holding Trig. That poor kid.

[TragedyandHope]

49. I say the same thing everytime I see her lugging Trig around

[Wolfies Revenge]

51. trig was a PR prop

[Arkansas Granny]

52. What has always bothered me is her willingness to use Trig as an accessory

with apparently no thought to his comfort and well-being. I would expect a few photo ops, all of the candidates do this, but she consistently exposed him to crowds, noisy and bright environments when he would have been much more comfortable in a quieter, less frenetic location with a loving caretaker or nanny. This would be true of any infant, but especially one with special needs.

What really brought this home to be was her bus stop at Wal-Mart to pick up diapers for Trig. Are we to believe that she couldn't have assigned this chore to a campaign aide? But, no, there she was lugging him around like a sack of potatoes, draped over her arm and being jostled by the crowd while she signed autographs, to reinforce her image of being just a regular Mom who had to interrupt her busy schedule to take care of her child. It was such a sham.

[LynneSin]

76. She used all of her kids as campaign props

forcing the 7-year-old to wear a Philadelphia Flyers Jersey in hopes that the Philly fans wouldn't boo her (they did anyways)

[Are_grits_groceries]

54. If that child wasn't a special needs child already,

he soon will be after she drops him on his head.

[jillan]

55. I just hope the Palin's know how truly blessed they are with Trig.

Down Syndrome kids are usually the most loving, happy kids.
Absolutely precious.

I hope they give him the love and the care that he deserves.

[dissemination]

67. I believe that they will take good care of him and

make sure he gets the best schooling.

[redqueen]

75. If she had him out in the cold with no socks or hat... she's not taking care of him. (nt)

[dissemination]

85. IF?? and how cold was it? How were others dressed?

[juno jones]

94. Snow on the ground

10 degrees. Alaska.

[mamalone]

82. What makes you believe that?

This is a serious question... As a mother of two children with Down syndrome, I have found her behavior and attitude towards Trig to be confounding and honestly heartbreaking. For example, the parents of every child with DS have it drummed into their heads that the first year or two of life are the most important in determining the level of functioning the individual will have for the rest of their lives. Those early years are basically a brief window of time during which learning can be optimized, neural pathways forged etc. A child who doesn't get adequate early intervention and stimulation will never be able to get those years back... they will be much less functional, less "intelligent" than one who gets such services for their entire lives. My own children were getting multiple therapy sessions every day by the time they were Trig's age. He appears to be getting no such help, and he appears to be suffering for it. His development is alarmingly delayed, even for a child with DS.
Now I didn't see the referenced clip, but the idea of an infant with DS being outside in brisk wind without a hat is appalling to me. Most kids with DS have a compromised immune system and are extremely prone to upper respiratory infections. In fact in the days before anti-biotics most children with DS died at an early age, not due to complications from DS, but from upper respiratory infections. When my children with DS were infants they were very rarely out in crowds, and I virtually never allowed folks outside of the family to hold or handle them. Most parents of a child with special needs make these kinds of accommodations in their lives without even giving it a thought. The Palins seem to be making little or no accommodations in their lifestyles for this child. In fact he has been used to feed their own needs and desires instead of the reverse. Their past behavior has not given me reason to believe that, as you say, they will take good care of him and make sure he gets the best schooling.

Have you seen or read anything which gives you such confidence?

[kestrel91316]

112. I don't. Palin is a narcissistic sociopath. Or whatever.

She obviously has no emotional attachment to her damaged goods, there.

[bushisanidiot]

56. The only reason she "holds" him is because someone else hands him to her.

She most likely has not even taken the time to bond with him as new mothers and babies do. I doubt that poor child knows who his mom is since he gets passed around so much to various people.

[Raschel]

58. I saw a pic yesterday of Palin's little girl standing while holding the baby.

That baby was way to big for the little girl to carry. I agree that many flags go off concerning the care of that baby.

[Patiod]

64. That's the image that scared me

That little girl holding what I first thought was a giant doll, then realized it was little Trig. She looked like she was about to drop him.

[WinkyDink]

59. The Palins are on the dust-heap of history to me. Nothings. Ciphers. Never existed.

[Kajsa]

63. She doesn't know how to hold him, PERIOD!

I have NEVER seen her support his bottom with her arm, NEVER!

Geez- didn't anyone teach her that?
That is basic training for a parent.

She's always dangling him from her arm, right across his chest.

That kid looks terrified at times- like, "what in the hell is she going
to do with me?!?"

Like I said before,

I REALLY feel sorry for her kids- REALLY!


:(

[apnu]

65. I don't think she actually likes her kids...

... just likes the idea of them. Not the smelly, annoying and trying reality that is raising kids. Let me explain that:

(Full disclosure, I am a father of a two-year-old and we're getting by in the terrible twos, I think I can speak with some knowledge on this issue)

I've never seen any footage of her showing anything I recognized as real love and interest in her children. They seem to be porcelain props that she carts around. Particularly Trig. Who I started calling the Trig Shield. Because she seems only to hold him when she's heading into something hostile (usually the media). As if people will pull punches if Trig is there.

Disgusting to say, I know, but I've not seen her ever act like a real parent. I have, on the other hand, seen the Obama's in very parental moments (riding the bus with exausted kids on their laps, and the bumper car photos come to mind) Where were the Palin's moments of parenthood shown to us?

[Dappleganger]

70. As a mom of four...

She treats him like a sack of flour instead of a baby.

[ipfilter]

71. As an ACON "Adult Child of Narcissist"

I can say without a doubt that NPD's don't give a shit about their kids. Since I was a product of a narcissist I can spot those people from outer space.

[nini]

73. I said the same thing last night

You never hold a baby at your hip like that without the child facing you for balance.

She's one piece of work.

[redqueen]

77. I saw that and it bothered me, too.

Not as much as the bare head and feet did though. Poor little guy. :(

[tigereye]

79. being a narcissist doesn't mean anyone has the right to take your kid(s)

It's unfortunate that this woman is so self-involved, but...

[lady raven]

109. I said that because I believe he is neglected.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

80. Seriously, it's time to put away the campaign props.

[Zookeeper]

83. Thank you! I thought exactly the same thing....

I'm a mother-of-three and I never carried any of my babies that way.

It's just horrible the way that poor child was carried around like a prop.

:grr:

[youthere]

88. It's pretty obvious everyone on this thread is just intimidated by her fertility.

:rofl:

[lady raven]

110. LOL

:spank:

:toast:

[southernyankeebelle]

92. omg

I just mentioned that on another blog. I said you would think that all those cloths they bought they could have afforded to buy a stroller.

[Sheltiemama]

93. Lucky for him, I think Willow and Piper are crazy about him.

They look at him like they adore him. Last week, I saw a picture of Willow holding him while he was wearing his little elephant Halloween costume, and she was looking at him like he was the cutest thing in the world. I bet he's all smiles with them, too.

[rebecca_herman]

113. I was thinking the same thing

His sisters seem to always be looking at him and holding him lovingly. I have a feeling Willow is more of a primary caregiver then then poor little Trig's own mother.

[RollWithIt]

95. Actually, the way she holds that baby is rather ironic, take a look at this photo....

[Kajsa]

99. That mother is doing a much better job.

No comparison!

( he's a big pup- no easy task)

:loveya:

[ellie]

111. My mom and I were talking

about this tonight. She is really pissed. She had nine kids so she knows something about how to take care of kids.

[Egnever]

115. I just said this on another thread LOL

and looky here a whole topic.

its freaking maddening. I swear there is something wrong with that woman or it is not her child.