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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:36 AM
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OH. MY. GOD. He's a RADICAL!
On the socialist site, Change.gov, President-elect Obama has already changed this government in a shocking way:



As Josh Marshall points out, "And as you can see, not only has the president been demoted to a position under the constitution. But the vice-president (as shown by the red arrow) has had his own fourth branch revoked and been reassigned to the executive branch ..."

Dude, that is too much!

Not only that, you... yes YOU! and any crazy communist can apply for a job in his administration.

and then there's this Civil Rights thing... he and that Biden liberal are going to find a way to make things better for women, minorities and gays. Doesn't he understand the whole Black vs. Gay party-splitting agenda the right is pushing on us already? Geesh.

Who do these guys think they are?

Strengthen Civil Rights Enforcement
Obama and Biden will reverse the politicization that has occurred in the Bush Administration's Department of Justice. They will put an end to the ideological litmus tests used to fill positions within the Civil Rights Division.


Combat Employment Discrimination
Obama and Biden will work to overturn the Supreme Court's recent ruling that curtails racial minorities' and women's ability to challenge pay discrimination. They will also pass the Fair Pay Act to ensure that women receive equal pay for equal work and the Employment Non-Discrimination Act to prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity or expression.


Expand Hate Crimes Statutes
Obama and Biden will strengthen federal hate crimes legislation, expand hate crimes protection by passing the Matthew Shepard Act, and reinvigorate enforcement at the Department of Justice's Criminal Section.


End Deceptive Voting Practices
Obama will sign into law his legislation that establishes harsh penalties for those who have engaged in voter fraud and provides voters who have been misinformed with accurate and full information so they can vote.


End Racial Profiling
Obama and Biden will ban racial profiling by federal law enforcement agencies and provide federal incentives to state and local police departments to prohibit the practice.


Reduce Crime Recidivism by Providing Ex-Offender Support
Obama and Biden will provide job training, substance abuse and mental health counseling to ex-offenders, so that they are successfully re-integrated into society. Obama and Biden will also create a prison-to-work incentive program to improve ex-offender employment and job retention rates.


Eliminate Sentencing Disparities
Obama and Biden believe the disparity between sentencing crack and powder-based cocaine is wrong and should be completely eliminated.


Expand Use of Drug Courts
Obama and Biden will give first-time, non-violent offenders a chance to serve their sentence, where appropriate, in the type of drug rehabilitation programs that have proven to work better than a prison term in changing bad behavior.


Crazy radicals. What have we done??
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:02 AM
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1. Just out of curiosity...
Is there a Bush related chart that shows things differently or are we just being snarky by pointing this out? I'm all for the snark and it's great I think that they put this out there this way. But did Bush or his administration ever put out anything differently? I know they GOVERNED that way, but still...
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:23 AM
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2. Are subtle jabs at the hijacking of the foundation of our democracy "snark'?
I'll take the snark, if that's the case.

I like it--and I like Josh Marshall's interpretation. I consider nothing sacred.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:45 AM
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4. Huh?
Yeah, if we're making a humorous, mocking note of something, it's snarky. I'm not sure why that's such a bad thing to say. Especially if we're being snarky to the Bush administration.

My point is that is this actually in direct contrast or a change to an actual document put out by the Bush administration, or are we just comparing it to the way they governed and the way we all know they perceived themselves?

If it's the former then I think that's an actual piece of evidence I can use to show people in all seriousness and say "Yeah...see. This is how we SHOULD view the roles of the president and vice president and he's proof of how Obama will be different and offer change."

If it's simply an observation and a a subtle jab, then while I find it great and interesting, it's not necessarily hard evidence to be used when trying to convince people of a political point who don't already agree with me.

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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 09:55 AM
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7. Cheney thinks he isn't part of the executive branch. Not everything is always serious btw. eom
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:45 AM
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3. On paper, no. But Cheney did declare he was not part of the Exec Branch.
I think it important that a flow chart be available for those who are visual learners/thinkers - like me.

I made the mistake of turning our local Air America station on after sunset - didn't know it became a RW station then... Listed to Laura Ingraham call for people to send the Obama transition team a copy of the Constitution because she insisted that they were already discarding it's precepts.

It is important that EVERYONE knows that it is the Constitution that guides us - first and foremost.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:47 AM
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5. they claimed a difference: Cheney ceded powers to himself that were unconstitutional
and publicly proclaimed them.

were you asleep when that happened?

and also, the whole "unitary executive" power grab?????


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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 09:14 AM
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6. -sigh-
I KNOW how they governed.
I REMEMBER what Cheney said verbally.
I'm not an idiot nor was I asleep.

I simply asked if this was something we as aware liberals were observing as a change or if it was a specific change to a specifically written government document. I read Josh's post over at TPM and the posts on here about it, but it was vaguely phrased as to whether there was some ACTUAL, formal change to a document that we are contrasting this to, or if it was just a casual observation of a very important governing attitude on Obama's part.

The former would be something we can point to and say "See....here is a change....here is a difference." to people who are still too stupid or skeptical to get it and understand.

The latter makes it an interesting, important, and heartening observation for those of us that have paid attention to how these yahoos governed, but at this point going "Well, you see this is important because on this date Cheney said this...and on this chart it's here rather than when Bush did this which meant......." is really not going to get people to understand why it's important.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 09:20 PM
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9. I don't think there was an official chart showing the split
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:38 PM
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8. I don't know - but I love how he emphasized how he answered to it.
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