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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 01:58 PM
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Comments from an Obama voter (not trolling)
Traviswf

Posted on Friday, November 07, 2008 12:40:35 PM by Traviswf

Hi there. I voted for Obama, but have been reading a lot of Freerepublic lately to see how the other side is reacting. I'm not trying to troll here - honestly - but if you feel I am, that's understandable. I just wanted to offer a perspective on this that I think may be interesting to some of you. Oh, and this is much longer than I intended. And I'm fairly certain I'm not posting this the right way...for which I apologize.

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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:03 PM
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1. freepers will never, ever let you down.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:06 PM
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2. There are a few there who seem to be open to conversation....
but the vast majority are just off the charts rabid.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:08 PM
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3. Copying and pasting the whole thing before FR deletes it...
Skip to comments.
Comments from an Obama voter (not trolling)
Traviswf

Posted on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:40:35 PM by Traviswf

Hi there. I voted for Obama, but have been reading a lot of Freerepublic lately to see how the other side is reacting. I'm not trying to troll here - honestly - but if you feel I am, that's understandable. I just wanted to offer a perspective on this that I think may be interesting to some of you. Oh, and this is much longer than I intended. And I'm fairly certain I'm not posting this the right way...for which I apologize.

When Bush was elected in 2000, I was upset. And yes, I whined about him "stealing" the election. I don't really think that's true anymore - it was just a painful way to lose. Sure, we can whine about the popular vote vs. the electoral vote, but you can't change the rules in the middle of the game. Then I watched the movie Recount and realized just how awful the democrats were at trying to win the damn thing. Gore seemed like he didn't really want it.

When Bush won in 2004, I was absolutely devastated. I thought the world was going to end. I didn't think we should be in Iraq, I agreed with Kerry that we had to finish the fight in Afganistan. I was worried about the courts. And frankly - I just didn't like Bush. I didn't like the way he governed, the way he spoke, and the way he talked as if we on the left were less American.

On 9/11 I happened to be in Toronto on business. When the towers fell, I knew I had to get home. A colleague and I wanted to go to New York, to help in some way. But we were told nobody was getting anywhere close. Our next instinct was to get home - to California. We didn't just want to be with our families, we desperately wanted to be in our country. That day was rough because my colleague thought his wife might have been on one of the planes - her travel plans were very similar. It took hours of agony before we, thank God, found out she was safe.

So we rented a car in Toronto and drove across the country. It took a couple hours to get across the border in the middle of the night. We stopped in Omaha, and then Colorado. I can't even tell you how much I loved my country driving across its beauty in those days after the attacks. And there were no jokes about "we're in enemy territory" because we were in "red states." We were in America. Everywhere we went people said "How are you? Is everyone safe?"

I know everyone has similar stories of those days. And certainly many, many people have stories of real loss - not just "we thought we lost someone, but it was a happy ending." Then, fairly quickly, I felt my patriotism coming under attack because I had a difference of opinion about how to fight back. I didn't think Iraq was the right choice - it made no sense to me, and I certainly wasn't alone. But people questioned my love of my country. And that was very, very hard to forgive.

When 2008 came up, more than anything, I wanted to win the White House back. I wanted to punish the Bush administration for what I felt was not just a failure to be competent, but a failure to keep the country united. I inititally supported Hilary, but I had this feeling in my gut that she was just going to be Bush - but for our side. She'd be a partisan warrior, a polarizing figure (which Bush wasn't when he started, but Hilary already was...). It made me sick to my stomach.

I wanted to go back to feeling like an American in those days after the attack - where our disagreements were things we laughed about over a beer and the real threat was far, far more serious.

I'd written Obama's candidacy off as a dry run for 2016 or later. Or maybe he was running for VP. I thought - hey, dude, at least finish a term in the Senate. Then when he said "we're not a collection of red states and blue states, we're the United States of America" it hit me like lightning. It had nothing to do with him - it had to do with the country, and my love for it and this feeling deep down in my gut that we were fighting over the placement of the deck chairs while the ship was sinking.

Wow, this got really rambly. Sorry about that. Here's why I posted initially. I saw this thing on here about Obama's "national defense force" and some posters commenting about the coming civil war or some such. I'm pretty sure Obama was just talking about funding for police. I mean - are you guys really worried he's going to do this? There was a rumor on the left that Bush was bringing a military brigade trained in "riot control" home from Iraq before the elections. People were convinced Bush was going to take over the country in a military coup. I'm sure you think that's laughable - as do I. Obama is not going to raise a civilian force of brown coats. First of all there's no money for it, nobody would go for it, and he'd be laughed out of the White House.

He's also not a socialist. And he's not coming for your guns. If he did either of this things, he can basically just go home now. Those are not realistic positions for any president to have. He will likely appoint liberals - at least too liberal for you guys - to the courts.

But here's the thing. He's going to try and be a good president. I think they all do. And Obama ran on uniting the country, on being bipartisan. That's sort of ALL he ran on. It's how he won 60% of independent and brought home so many of the Clinton voters. So if he doesn't deliver on this - I imagine he'll be fairly easy to beat in 2012.

So that's my two cents. Obama was always going to get my vote as the nominee because I'm a lifelong democrat and a liberal. But I'm not a socialist or a pacifist. I believe in the 2nd amendment and favor the idea of most issues being decided by the states. I'm not a religious man, but I respect those who are and I think the Dems over reach in pushing religion out of the public square. I believe global warming is a serious problem, but I also think Al Gore enjoys it WAY too much.

And here's another caveat. I know it's easier to be bipartisan and talk about "togetherness" when my guy won. I was where you guys are now in 2000 and 2004. I mean, my party ALMOST ran Howard Dean and then said "No wait! John Kerry is a much better idea!" Or in this election to have a friend say "You've GOT to read Alec Baldwin's latest piece on HuffPo." I mean...really? He doesn't count as an "Obamacon" you know, he only plays a republican on TV...(you guys ever notice that our most annoying Hollywood liberals end up playing republicans? what's with that?)

So yeah - we've all spent some time in the woods. I just hope we can all agree that we're just as American as the other, and we're passionate about what we believe to be the right path to take. There are real problems with the economy, and Islamic Terrorists aren't going to take a vacation for four years.

That's about it I guess. Sorry you guys lost.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:11 PM
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4. yeah, I saved all the replies too in case it goes poof. nt
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:12 PM
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7. Here's classic Freeper attitude....
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 02:31 PM by Lisa0825
most just can't handle a civil discussion....


To: Traviswf
"So yeah - we've all spent some time in the woods. I just hope we can all agree that we're just as American as the other, and we're passionate about what we believe to be the right path to take."

You've just graduated from being a lifelong democrat and liberal to a full fledged Marxist. And the path you've chosen is the destruction of America. You and your like shall NEVER be forgiven.

58 posted on Friday, November 07, 2008 12:51:19 PM by AFreeBird
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:12 PM
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5. Most of those responses turned my stomach.
What sick, hateful freepers. The majority of them are completely devoid of grace, intelligence, knowledge or goodwill.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:12 PM
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6. But their mommy says they're great kissers. n/t
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:14 PM
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8. Freepers purged the link.
So much for their vaunted desire for free speech and open ideas huh?
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:16 PM
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9. i have all the comments. pm me your email if you want me to send them.
it's too long to post here, but I may pick out some to post.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:17 PM
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11. PM sent!
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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:16 PM
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10. Wow and I just saw it a second ago.
And yes it's gone now... amazing. There was nothing wrong with that OP. WTF? It wasn't offensive and some of the Freepers even seemed open to discussion.
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Tess49 Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:21 PM
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14. Still working for me. n/t
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:24 PM
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15. Your browser might have a cached copy of it.
It will go for you soon as well.
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Ozma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:28 PM
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16. I just saw it there, too... I still have it open in another tab on my browser
If you want to quote something, I can find it if it's on page one.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:38 PM
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18. It's still going.... new comments still being added... up to 228 now. nt
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:18 PM
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12. "Unlike liberals, we will not crucify Obama liek you guys did Bush."
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:38 PM
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21. No? Do they not read their own posts over there?
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:19 PM
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13. Oh, this is rich!
To: Traviswf
When Bush was elected in 2000, I was upset. And yes, I whined about him "stealing" the election. I don't really think that's true anymore...

When Bush won in 2004, I was absolutely devastated....frankly - I just didn't like Bush.

When 2008 came up, more than anything, I wanted to win the White House back. I wanted to punish the Bush administration for what I felt was not just a failure to be competent, but a failure to keep the country united.


So you hated Bush from Day One and did everything you could to make his presidency seem illegimate.

And you expect us to unite in support of Obama?

You helped make America an uglier place to live in with your slanders and libels against the president of the United States during the last eight years. Reap the coming whirlwind, chum.

76 posted on Friday, November 07, 2008 12:55:21 PM by RedRover
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 02:36 PM
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17. Good gawd....
To: Traviswf

Your a depraved mass murderer.

133 posted on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:08:09 PM by prolifefirst


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To: Mr. Know It All
“If Americans are better off in four years than they are now, Obama has a shot at being reelected.”

It won't be. No way you can justify the slaughtering of millions of babies with the promise of Hussein to lift the partial birth abortion ban.

We need to fight everything this asshole stands for, every day until he's gone. I will not sleep with the enemy.
134 posted on Friday, November 07, 2008 1:08:23 PM by scratcher
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jkirch Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:31 PM
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19. What is a ZOT gun? nt
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:37 PM
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20. Fweeper version of the DU tombstone
Dog, almighty, I don't know how people can be so incredibly hateful and crazed. FR is a fucking open-air lunatic asylum.
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