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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 05:26 PM
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We did not learn one goddamn thing from Obama's campaign.
Not one single fucking thing. That much should be apparent to each and every DUer this afternoon.

We've spent the days since the election assigning blame to every group imaginable for reasons why certain ballot initiatives passed or failed (I'm sure I don't need to elaborate.) We call the people aligned against us bigots, misogynists, and otherwise terrible names.

Are those labels fair? Probably, to be perfectly honest. But it sure isn't going to change the outcome the next time the issue comes up. And that's what's truly tragic about reading DU today - we didn't learn.

Barack Obama brought us together under a banner of hope and unity. If there's anyone out there that could've cast out labels such as "racist" or probably worse, it was him. He'd been disparaged every which way imaginable for what he was and even what he was not (ie. Muslim). Yet not once - not one single fucking time - did he ever imply that anyone was a racist for doing so.

No, President-Elect Obama will become the first African-American President because he built a diverse coalition through a message of hope, not hatred. It didn't matter who did what - it mattered where we were going and how we were getting there. It mattered that the issues caused us all to suffer, regardless of our race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or any of the bullshit things that people use to divide us. He brought us all under his banner. THAT is why he succeeded where so many others had failed. He became President to ALL Americans.

You can have your bloodletting today if it makes you feel better. I understand you're hurt because, let's face it, bigots and misogynists are trying to take away your rights. There is no cause more worthy, there is no cause more just, there is no cause more unquestionable - it SHOULD be common sense. But it isn't, and for ever person you're labeling that truly deserves to be called a bigot, you're saying it to someone else that could change their mind. They won't now, however, because no one aligns themselves with someone that calls them names.

Instead of trying to kill hate with hate, and intolerance with intolerance, we need to reach out to those that can be reached out to. We need to tell them why they were wrong. We need to educate, and most importantly, we need to express to them that our plight is their plight. That we do share common ground, common goals, and common ideals. Until that day comes, when people of all backgrounds feel the same pain and understand what's going on, we'll never achieve our goals.

That's what makes me sad today. We have a shining example of what it takes to make dreams come true, make hope a reality, and make justice the law of the land - and yet we reject it in favor of the old paths. The paths that have lead us to this very outcome time, after time, after time.
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yeswecanandwedid Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 05:27 PM
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1. I'm not into hating. nt
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 05:29 PM
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2. It's hard to reach out

When the other side is using violence against us.

Like the gay man who was beaten up in D.C. on his way to an Obama party Tuesday night after the election.

And the multiple reports of planned attacks against Blacks and Obama.


And they are still using hateful rhetoric against us as well.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 05:31 PM
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4. That is NOT who you are reaching out to.
I guarantee you that the gap between Prop 8 passing and Prop 8 failing was comprised entirely of violent bigots. You cannot convince me that there are a hundred and fifty million Americans that would love nothing more than to beat a gay man or woman. I'm sorry, but that's far too broad a brush.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 05:33 PM
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5. It's bigger than Prop 8
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 05:35 PM by Tempest
I just used that as an example.

There are numerous reports of racist activities as well.

We can reach out to those who are willing to meet us halfway, but I've seen few examples of the right willing to take that step.


For example, on my hometown newspaper's blogs, we've been conciliatory to the conservatives, but they are so full of hate and fear they refuse to even listen to what we have to say about coming together.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 05:30 PM
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3. I'm not doing any of that. I'm on cloud nine and plan on following Obama's example.
That doesn't mean I can't keep making fun of Palin, Lieberman and assorted other hate-mongers. ;-)
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 05:36 PM
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6. how kind of you to allow us this. and don't assume that all of us
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 05:37 PM by jonnyblitz
were as dazzled by Obama's campaign as you were. your patronizing condescension is duly noted.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:52 PM
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18. Sorry pal - I didn't say a damn thing condescending.
Patronizing would be to pat you on the head and tell you it's all gonna be alright and keep going status quo. That would be patently false.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:27 PM
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7. At least a million people who voted for Obama
voted at the same time to take away our rights. His campaign didn't do squat for us.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:50 PM
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16. That was not my point.
My point is that progress is made through hope and that... you know what? I don't think you care to get the point. You probably just want to be pissed off. Which I understand. I'll leave it be. Just know that hate won't get you squat either.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:29 PM
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8. What do you mean 'we', paleface?? I haven't done any of that. n/t
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:43 PM
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14. ---post deleted; I'm a moron.----
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 08:56 PM by Vash the Stampede
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:54 PM
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20. It's the punchline to an old joke, idget.
The Lone Ranger and Tonto are running from a huge group of indian warriors when they make a wrong turn into a box canyon. Realizing they have no where to go, the Lone Ranger turns to Tonto and says, "It looks like this is the end of the road for us, my old friend. We are doomed to certain death."

Tonto turns slowly to the other man and says, "What do you mean 'we', paleface??"

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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:55 PM
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21. Sorry -- I didn't get the reference.
My apology
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:56 PM
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22. No problem. It's an OOLLLLDDD joke. My dad used to tell it to us all the time when we were little.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 07:43 PM
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9. If you were for Prop. 8, you are a bigot.
There's no reason to deny civil rights to the GLBT community other than fear and bigotry.

If you're into that, I will not respect you. I will oppose you. I will get in your fucking face, look you in the eye and call you the bigoted piece of shit that you are.

Don't tell me not to call a bigoted piece of human garbage what he is.
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qwlauren35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:17 PM
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10. Let it go, Vash. Their anger is justified.

Having a major gain granted by the Californian Supreme Court overridden by a referendum has to suck.

It's a lot like the way that the states are, inch by inch, encroaching on Roe vs. Wade - through referenda. When enough people don't like a law, it will be changed. Even if the law is just.

And vice versa. When enough people recognize that a law is unfair, it will be changed. Even if it used to be popular.

Trust me, when African-Americans saw a California referendum overturn Affirmative Action, it hurt like hell. Being a minority always sucks when the majority rejects a law that impacts your life more than theirs. Because, until you can win over the majority, you will ALWAYS lose. And when you're angry, the last thing you want to do is kiss up to the majority.



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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:41 PM
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13. I believe I said that, thank you.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:29 PM
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11. You're right.
I'm white, but I really don't like the AA bashing - any more than I'd be comfortable with GLBT bashing.

I understand people are hurt by what happened in CA, but scapegoating is scapegoating, whether it's done by a majority or a minority. That doesn't make it ok. It isn't ok.

I would've hoped to see more along the lines of what can be done about Prop 8 - something we could join in, to help. But it's either threads agains AAs or threads against all religion. There's nothing I can do with that.

I'd join in with some kind of protest against the Mormon Church, and the Religious Right, or whichever groups arranged this Prop 8, I think what they did is absurd. I think all of these "values initiatives" state by state are absurd - for example the abortion battles. Yes, they do it to be intentionally divisive, and rights should be rights anywhere. This should be federal law, and maybe there could be one. If not, maybe a Supreme Court decision will do it.

I'm very sorry and sad that this happened. But I'm just saying that I'm also saddened by the reaction to it. Like the OP, I'd like to think that we could join together to do something constructive.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:30 PM
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12. It's Clinton's fault.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:48 PM
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15. Excellent post
Edited on Fri Nov-07-08 08:58 PM by goodgd_yall
I find myself avoiding divisive language because I'm aware this is one of the changes Obama wants to bring to this country. I know I'll slip, but I'll keep trying to take the high road.

What I really appreciate from your OP is what you say about reaching out and the uselessness of killing "hate with hate." At the very least, we need to stop answering hate with hate because it doesn't work. Education and outreach is what is needed. Changing minds is not going to happen quickly, but it will happen.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:50 PM
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17. Why all the drama? It's just conversation.
I never understand the uber drama here, the threads that act as if it's some great tragedy that today, like every day, people are complaining about every possible topic.

EXPECTING otherwise is the delusion.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:54 PM
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19. I don't know if you saw the posts from earlier.
Pretty much everyone on earth and DU was called a bigot of some variety at some point today. It wasn't very healthy.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 09:26 PM
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24. Ah, that. I use HIDE THREAD liberally.
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PatriotGames Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 08:58 PM
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23. There's still a lot of bad blood. It's going to take time...
to get over it. Sorry, but it's the truth.
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Psyop Samurai Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 09:32 PM
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25. Yes, we need to reach out to those that can be reached out to...
Doing that requires reasoned, non-inflammatory discussion. That has proven to be less than successful, but I agree with you in spirit and with Obama's example, and perhaps we should try again.
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always_saturday Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 09:43 PM
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26. I disagree with Obama himself on gay marriage. I'm FOR it. He isn't.
So there is no "unity" on this issue AFAIC. I will never agree with Obama on it, unless he changes his mind. I'm sure as hell not going to change mine.

I think he's WRONG, and I have zero respect for anyone's "faith" that denies a group of people their civil rights.
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DrPresident Donating Member (348 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:10 PM
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28. Excuse you, but Obama is AGAINST Prop 8
he may personally be against same sex marriage, but he went on record as saying that he's against Prop 8.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:04 PM
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27. I suppose that's what "the audacity of hope" really means -
because this was a very positive campaign and it would be better to capitalize on that positive energy rather than espouse a lot of negativity.
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Zombie2 Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:10 PM
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29. I hate Republicans and Bigots... n/t
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-07-08 10:12 PM
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30. GODDAMN!!! Speaking of which..........VIDEO!!!
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