While we're cleaning up the Senate of Lieberman, how 'bout we clean house & boot Pelosi, too

[mtnsnake]

IMO, since the day we took over power in 2006, she has been just as much in bed with Bush as what Lieberman has been with the Republican Party.

To think how hard everyone worked to gain the upper hand in 2006, only to have Nancy Pelosi do her best to throw it all out the window angers me to no frigging end. I honestly think it would be in the best interests of the Democratic Party if Nancy Pelosi retired and Lieberman was sent packing....no ands, ifs, or buts...and no compromises in Lieberman's case.

[Marsala]

1. YES! LET THE PURGES COMMENCE!

Out with the DLC! Out with the collaborators! Out with anyone who does not support our agenda to the fullest!

(:sarcasm:)

[BlueManDude]

20. I just think she's naiive and incompetent.

[cutlassmama]

2. That would be acceptable. EOM

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. What are they doing with liebercrap? nt

[mtnsnake]

8. Reid may boot him from our caucus, but the pundits are saying that there might be a compromise

because they think that it's in the best interest of Democrats to still have Lieberman vote in our caucus on our behalf. From what I've heard, Reid wants Lieberman's sorry ass out, but there are those who think we shouldn't punish him to the extent that we lose his vote in the Senate completely. I'd rather see him gone entirely and have no future significance as a Democrat. We need loyal people, not turncoats.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

11. I disagree. He's a danger. He would provide Repukes with information they would ordinarily not be

privy to. I think he needs to be booted.

[mtnsnake]

13. I disagree with those particular pundits, too. It's in our best interest to cut all ties with Joe

[Sarah Ibarruri]

31. Yep! I hope they get rid of him. nt

[beachmom]

4. No, she stays.

[Overseas]

25. She can stay in the House but others would be better as Speaker.

Although a lot of the congressional reps that come to mind have been busy on their assignments already and we wouldn't want to pull them from there.

[BobRossi]

5. Agree.

She is a traitorous tool of the DLC.

[MaineDem]

6. I think she should stay. n/t

[BlueCaliDem]

7. I felt the same way you do but I'd forgotten how she refused to endorse Hillary Clinton's candidacy

... as everyone in the Democratic Caucus seemed to rush to her side - minus Rep. Clyburn as well.

Pelosi was reluctant to endorse either candidate during the Democratic Primaries but the beaming smile she gave to then Sen. Obama when he won the candidacy told me she would be a good ally to him in the House.

I know a lot of Dems are still angry about her taking impeachment off the table but I can understand why she didn't. At that time, she became Speaker of the House, the third person in line to the Presidency which would look suspect if she went after *Bush and *Cheney as if she wanted to elevate herself to the WH this way. Besides, the Senate didn't have the votes and it would only harm Pelosi.

At least, that's how I and others see it.

[Cleita]

9. You know what it takes.

It takes letting your Democratic Congress people know that you want another Speaker of the House. My rep is a Republican so I can't, but you, who have Democratic ones can. As for the Senate, I will be letting my Senators Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein know that I want our Senate Majority Leader to move up the food chain from a jelly fish to a vertebrate.

[mtnsnake]

10. That's a great idea and I hope enough people follow your advice.

[cali]

21. nope. sorry. the vast majority of voters don't give a flying fuck who the

who the leadership is. No congress critter is EVER going to lose on this issue.

Welcome to reality.

[Cleita]

24. I'm not speaking to the vast majority of voters but those who

care how their country is run before it's run into the ground. There are enough here on DU alone to make an impression on Congress. If you haven't paid attention, it's been done before and almost singlehandedly by DUers.

[Overseas]

12. I wish someone else could be Speaker. Tired of her ruling from the right.

"The country must be governed from the middle," Pelosi, D-Calif., told reporters Wednesday. "You have to bring people together to reach consensus on solutions that are sustainable and acceptable to the American people."


Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/11/06/politics/main...

[Cleita]

15. She seems not to understand that bringing people together on common

ground doesn't consist of rolling over and letting the opposition scratch your stomach. Capitulation only brings bad solutions to workable problems.

[mtnsnake]

17. Yup, that comment she made Wednesday cemented it

for anyone who was still wondering about her after she took impeachment off the table right after we took over Congress in 2006.

The country must be governed from the middle," Pelosi, D-Calif., told reporters Wednesday

:puke:

[Cleita]

22. That's another one of those ambiguous statements like the

"war on terror". From the middle of what? She never establishes where the middle is to begin with. IMHO she's just a corporatist with a Democratic label wherein she votes left on some legislation like women's issues, but her middle is somewhere in the middle of the conservative agenda.

[Overseas]

23. I wrote her probably twenty letters to ask for impeachment of Bush & Cheney.

IF there were ever a case for impeachment, theirs was it. They breached the constitution and international laws and treaties.

And she just wouldn't even try.

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AND RULING FROM THE MIDDLE was the damn DLC idea of ignoring the red states and just campaigning in the blue states.

THIS ELECTION PROVED LIBERAL IDEAS ARE FAVORED BY 70% of the people. Well, the Gallup Favorability Poll did that. But the election did prove that liberal ideas are broadly popular. Withdrawal from Iraq. Spreading the wealth with tax increases for the super-rich and closing of loopholes and cuts for folks like me. And universal single payer health care. And fast tracking alternative energy.

These ideas are not radical at all. These ideas are governing from the middle.

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GOING ALONG WITH THE RIGHT WING PARTY, REPUBLICANS, is not "governing from the middle" -- it is governing from the right.

What is now called the middle, was, in Nixon's era, clearly the right wing.

[liberalpragmatist]

33. Yeah, cuz calling for health care reform, financial market regulation...

... an economic stimulus package, and energy reform is a radically right-wing agenda.

Some people seem to miss the forest for the trees. "We're going to govern from the middle." WTF do you expect her to say? "We intend to govern from the radical left."

[Occam Bandage]

14. What, with pitchforks? Nobody's going to seriously challenge her.

[IndianaGreen]

16. The votes ain't there!

Let's see how she performs in shepherding the Obama program through the House.

[Tatiana]

18. Lieberman's Homeland Security seat should be given to Hillary via full caucus vote. n/t

[cali]

19. bwhahahah. I love teh delusional. Nancy Pelosi was just re-elected

with over 70% of the vote. She'll be running unopposed by any dem for the Speakership. A repuke will run. Are you suggesting that house dems vote Boehner in as Speaker.

Nothing like stupid.

[mtnsnake]

26. "Nothing like stupid"

So, am I stupid for wanting Pelosi out of her job as Speaker, or am I stupid for wanting her out when there is no chance of that happening? Please clarify.

edit for clarity.

[cali]

27. the latter. and I don't think you're stupid, just the endless blather

about how "we" can change congressional leadership.

[mtnsnake]

28. Wow am I ever relieved

to learn that you don't think I'm stupid.

BTW, people most certainly CAN, and do, change the way things happen. It's called letting your congressman hear about any griefs you might have. I don't know about you, but I've mailed in plenty of letters by snail mail if I've had any complaints. You might be surprised at the results when they hear from enough of their constituents, especially since it's their constituents who vote them into power or not.

[cali]

29. sorry the vast majority of voters don't give a shit about who leads congress

and they never will. Writing your congress critter on this is a losing proposition.

[lib2DaBone]

30. Listen.. the DEMS have got to wise up if they want to survive...

.. if it means getting rid of Nancy Pelosi and limp-wrist Reid... so be it. Do you think William Kristol or Pat Buchannan are siting back waiting to please everyone?

DEMS have GOT to wake up.. and they did on Nov 4th.

[liberalpragmatist]

32. Pelosi is fine

I can understand frustration at Reid, who I think has been ineffective, but Pelosi is about as progressive a speaker as we can realistically expect (she was the chair of the House Progressive Caucus at one point). As minority leader, she lead the vast majority of House Democrats to oppose the IWR.

Being an effective speaker isn't about being a liberal purity troll. It's a thankless job that relies entirely on winning votes. On that score, she's done an excellent job.

Every item of legislation she promised in 2006 was passed.

Among them: ethics reform; lobbying reform; vastly-better energy bill than what passed the previous House (still not amazing, but given Bush's veto power a huge improvement); minimum wage increase; SCHIP expansion; medicare physician-reimbursement.

It's not her fault that most of the stuff passed by the House died in the "filibuster-everything" Senate or was vetoed by Bush.

And the idea that she could impeach Bush is beyond delusional. Until somebody points out where you're going to get 67 Senators to convict and remove Bush and Cheney, any calls for impeachment are an utter waste of time. Sorry.

Replace Pelosi? You'd get Speaker Steny Hoyer. Then you'd miss Nancy.

[Raineyb]

34. She certainly is not entitled to the Speakership

Give it to someone who will actually be competent.

:thumbsdown: You fail Nancy Pelosi!

Regards