Why are some GOP Repukes hassling about Obama's citizenship??

[trueblue2007]

I'm in an email group. My "friends" have been stewing about this for weeks now. They are drinking the koolaid and won't stop.

I don't see any credible evidence to the contrary.

Give me some stuff to hit them with please!!!!

[TexasObserver]

1. Because LYING is what they do.

[Tesha]

24. And it's their last chance to convince themselves that anything can prevent Obama's ascension. (NT)

[firedupdem]

2. Those people are beyond reach. Tell them to get over it. n/t

[galaxy21]

3. 'Obama isn't an American citizen'' is the new 'the Clinton's had Vince Foster killed'

Just more crap conspiracies to throw around despite the fact it doesn't make sense and there's no evidence whatsoever.

[NYCGirl]

4. Because it's all they have. Delusions. NT

[Sarah Ibarruri]

5. They lost, that's why :-)

After decades they lost big.

[DCBob]

6. Let them stew. It is a great distraction for the wingnuts while Obama is running the country.

:)

[Clio the Leo]

7. My advice: Get new friends. NT

[trueblue2007]

17. Get new friends....maybe. I want to EDUCATE these people.

[rvablue]

18. It is impossible to educate people who will not take fact into account, I'm wondering

something about these folks that I've been reading about here on DU.

Do your friends show signs of mental illness -- delusions, paranoia, for example?

Or are they just incredibly stupid?

[Clio the Leo]

21. Exactly, these folks are beyond hope.

I mean, it's one thing to have friends who "aren't sure about Obama." That's a reasonable fear.

But to actually BELIEVE something that none of Obama's opponents thought to bring up, not the Clintons, not McCain, not even that ***** Palin, during the campaign? HELLO!

Could it be that it's perhaps not true?

The matter doesn't even deserve a response (which is not a slight to you, but to your "Friends."

[Crunchy Frog]

8. Not worth it. You'll never get through to that type.

[louis-t]

9. "Yeah, and he flew to Hawaii to kill his gramma...

so she wouldn't reveal the truuuuuuth." Excuse me while I wipe the drool from my chin. :eyes:

[JoePhilly]

10. Desperation. Denial. ..... Send them this ....

It is rumored that McCain's mother, while pregnant, left the US base in Panama to go shopping.

She became tired and stopped in a cafe for lunch. Suddenly she went into labor. The cafe workers took her in the back and helped deliver little John MCain. They called him EL Guapo.

After the birth, McCain's mother was unable to travel. So one of the cafe workers let her (and John) stay in her tiny home overnight until she was ready to go back to the base.

The next day, the cafe workers took John and his mother back to the base.

The doctors at the base, unsure what to do, simply wrote the birth certificate as if John McCain had been born on the day they returned to the base.

Technically ... a story like this might mean that John McCain is not be an American citizen. He might actually be Panamanian.

Some argue that John McCain co-authored the Amnesty bill as a way to "give back" to those cafe workers who helped his mother.

McCain has not denied this story. Which make one wonder what he might be hiding.

[Voice for Peace]

25. lol el guapo

or el guano?

[azmouse]

11. They'll shut up on January 20, 2009.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

12. LOFL. Some email group that must be.

Tell em they have to march on Secret Non-Citizenship Headquarters.

[underpants]

14. Yeah because their "secret Arkansas airport" emails worked SO well in the '90s

:bounce:

[kestrel91316]

13. Ask your friends why, if this is a legitmate problem, the REPUBLICAN PARTY

and MCCAIN never challenged his nomination and presence on the ballots. They have standing to do so, and did not want him to win, so why would they have passed this opportunity up?

The answer is: they probably did, and their attorneys said that his citizenship has in fact been documented. End of subject.

[Not a robought]

15. Hmmmm

Obama got through the democratic primaries and the general election to become the President and none of his opponents, no lawyer, no Sean Hannity bothered to look for this? Your "friends" must be on to something.

Let's call this whole President thing null and void and start over. After that let's have your "friends" being the observant geniuses they are, solve the economic crisis, then world hunger.

[cameozalaznick]

16. Try this...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

[PatGund]

19. For starters....

Legal debunking of the Philip J. Berg lawsuit from a lawyer:

http://www.whatsyourevidence.com/

I've also been doing timelines of this particular fantasy at:

http://www.yestodemocracy.com/

Philip J. Berg is a disgruntled Clinton supporter and "9/11 truther". As for the rest of the players:

Much of the citizenship claims comes from "Judah Benjamin", a Neo-confederate blogging at "TexasDarlin".

Anti-Semite Andy Martin started much of the "Obama is a Muslim" smears

Liar Jerome Corsi is pimping the "born in Kenya" claim

Pamela Geller at the far-right blog "Atlas Shrugs" pimps a lot of the people who claim Obama's got a forged birth certificate.

[trueblue2007]

23. Thanks folks. I'm just sending THE GROUP the http://www.politifact.com/ site

I think this will shut them up.

[JuniperLea]

20. Paranoia and delusions strike deep...

The birth certificate was made public, and the State of Hawaii confirmed it's authenticity and reiterated that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. There is nothing else to offer to make it any more clear.

I'm not sure what kind of conspiracy theory they have going to back this up, but it must be a duzy!

What a bunch of morans! I'm series!

[RamboLiberal]

22. The fools will be running for this for all of Obama's terms

Just for chuckles and to see what they are saying when I'm in the car I've been tuning in to the loonies in Pittsburgh area.

A lot of the haters who tune in to mostly RW station KDKA still are bringing up this crap.

And host Jim Quinn who was a real loonie after Clinton with all the wacky stuff we all know was running with it yet this morning.

[Lasher]

26. But wait, there's more. Act now and we'll include three FREE debunkings!

Debunking here, here and here.

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[treestar]

27. Debating a bunch of right wing fellow lawyers

I took the time to look this up:

Title 8 of the U.S. Code, section 1405:

Persons born in Hawaii

A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.


So it doesn't even matter if Obama had been born before Hawaii became a state! He'd still be a citizen.

Now watch the freepers try to claim he was born before 1900! Nah, that would be McWalkingCane! :rofl:

[Kaylee]

29. Nah, they are still trying to place his birth in Kenya....

These are delusional and racist idiots. There is no reasoning with them.

[treestar]

32. Once the birth certificate was posted

They started to claim it was a forgery.

They will never quit. However, the up side is that they will sound more and more absurd and look more and more lunatic.

Like why would Ann go all the way to Kenya to give birth, when she and Obama Sr. met in Hawaii and were married there and lived there? Only in freeper minds is this lunacy even to be suggested.

[PatGund]

39. What about Indonesia.....

That's the other broken arrow they try to fire - the claim that Stanley Ann Durham lost her US citizenship when she married Lolo Soetoro. As evidence they cite the Nationality Act of 1940. However, loss of citizenship at marriage only applies to marriages before 1922 according to that act.

They also cite that act as proof Obama lost his citizenship as a result, but the act actually says something completely different. In other words, they don't know what they're talking about.

http://whatsyourevidence.com/

[Vinca]

28. To believe Obama is not a citizen is to believe Hawaii was not a state or,

perhaps, the entire state government of Hawaii as well as the hospital where he was born and the newspaper that printed his original birth announcement began plotting for this moment nearly a half century ago. Tell your email buddies not to forget their meds anymore.

[WinkyDink]

30. Let them whine. REVEL in it. LUXURIATE in their distress. THEY ARE BITTER LOSERS.

No, I have NO MERCY.

[Starry Messenger]

31. You can't fix stupid.

Your "friends" are racists. I like what the Magistrate has to say on this issue, which paraphrased is: tell them to fuck off and get used to saying President Obama.

[LynnTheDem]

33. Hawaii officials declare Obama's birth certificate genuine

HONOLULU — State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6088997.html

[mkultra]

34. try snopes or factcheck.org

Factcheck examined his birth certificate. Its just another fabrication.

[yellowcanine]

35. It is probably a waste of time to fight this. They aren't interested in facts.

Let them stew.

[zulchzulu]

36. When Fox News AND World Net Daily say it's BS, then most Freepers get it...

Of course, then they will attack Fox News and World Net Daily for "being in the Obama camp"... they just need to die off like a diseased pack of mice.

[Ganja Ninja]

37. You should refer them to a nice mental health clinic in your area ...

since the truth doesn't seem to have any effect.

[surrealAmerican]

38. These are people who apparently never learned ...

... how to differentiate fact from fiction. You might try introducing the concepts in a less charged manner. You could start perhaps by reading them "Goodnight Moon", and asking them if it should be taken as proof that rabbits can speak english.

[rvablue]

40. TrueBlue I fear,,,,,,,,,

that your friends are unstable and will grab onto to any untruth spewed by right wing nutjobs to justify their hateful and bigoted ways.

I'm wondering -- do they display signs of mental illness when it comes to other subjects. Are they delusional? Paranoid?

There is really no use in trying to "debunk" this, and there is no utility in posting it on DU for the one millionth time.....these people willfully work against their own self interest, and that fact makes it impossible to wake them to hard, cold facts. In essence, they are morons and will remain that way to the end....including brainwashing their own innocent children to hold the same psychotic beliefs they hold.

[AtomicKitten]

41. I remember that nonsense pushed here at DU. Oy.

Ironically it is McCain that wasn't born in the U.S.