Can anyone coherently connect a priest's ignorant political comment with pedophilia?

[rug]

Emphasis on coherently.

[madeline_con]

1. Um, he's got some nerve pontificating (pardon the pun)

after the despicable sins of the "fathers". How'd I do?

[rug]

2. Points for the pun but the connection is lacking.

[boppers]

3. Context, please?

Sorry, just logged in tonight...

[rug]

6. Just another night in GDP

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[whistle]

4. Priests who commit pedophilia should not be allowed to take communion either

...it sure sounds like deflection

<snip>
Priest advises penance for Obama vote
Parishioners shouldn't take Communion until they do because of president-elect's abortion view, he says
By Ben Szobody November 13, 2008

The priest at St. Mary's Catholic Church in downtown Greenville has told parishioners that those who voted for Barack Obama placed themselves under divine judgment because of his stance on abortion and shouldn't receive Holy Communion until they've done penance.


The Rev. Jay Scott Newman told The Greenville News on Wednesday that church teaching doesn't allow him to refuse Holy Communion to anyone based on political choices, but that he'll continue to deliver the church's strong teaching on the "intrinsic and grave evil of abortion" as a hidden form of murder.

Both Obama and Joe Biden, the vice president-elect, support legal abortions. Obama has called it a "divisive issue" with a "moral dimension," and has pledged to make women's rights under Roe v. Wade a "priority" as president. He opposes a constitutional amendment overturning the Supreme Court decision.
<MORE>

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20081113/NEWS01/811130314

[rug]

8. Yes, that link's been posted all over the place. What's it got to do with pedophilia?

[seabeyond]

5. my take is cause there are some, doesnt mean all. like not all cops bad. all men assholes, wink

all females bitches.

how i took it

[rug]

9. What you said is true but attacking this idiot's remarks by saying he diddles little boys is, well,

stupid.

[seabeyond]

11. not sayin it is the way i would have argued it, lol. n/t

[silverojo]

21. Not saying HE diddles little boys....

...just that many priests have and do. The fact that this guy is worked up over abortion and NOT pedophilia among priests is, shall we say, totally fucking hypocritical.

[rug]

23. And what does this have to do with his letter attacking Obama?

[patrice]

31. Thanks for the cool Obama pic!

I'm collecting them.

:hi:

[onehandle]

7. Because they said so?

DU = FR

[rug]

10. Ah, how obtuse of me.

[onehandle]

14. Obtuse?

Hot water and epsom salts will clear that right up.

[WildEyedLiberal]

12. Of course not, it's just a quick cheap shot Anti-Catholic slur

"Oh look, a stupid and/or right-wing priest, haha he must be a pedophile."

Fucking hilarious - does anyone have any jokes about imams with bombs hidden in their turbans? Or greedy rabbis? Religious bigotry is so fucking hilarious, why limit it to Catholics?

[rug]

13. Thank you.

[patrice]

32. Yes, thanks!

[Trajan]

15. Considering the history of the Catholic church regarding it's 'problem' witrh Pedophilia ....

There is no doubt of that connection, and that will always be true ....

Beyond that, I suppose one can always pop it out when they feel like it .... I mean: The stain of it never really goes away ... does it ?

Signed,
Ex Catholic Atheist

[rug]

17. I suppose you can pop it out whenever you want, unless you have a grudging respect for context.

[Trajan]

20. When someone tries to promote a moral argument ...

It would be difficult to establish a moral foundation, given the fact of the illegal sexual behavior of quite a few of it's own standard bearers.

What is the saying ? Once a .... nevermind .....

[rug]

24. You don't refute one's moral argument by ranking on his mother.

[JeffR]

16. Um... no

but by insisting on coherence, you're setting the bar rather high.

[rug]

19. I better quit this thread before I demand logic.

:hi:

[JeffR]

27. Yikes, don't go crazy now!

:scared:

[vanderBeth]

18. Beats the hell out of me.

:shrug:

[rug]

28. Me too.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

22. The blood drains from his brain when he's got wood

nt

[rug]

26. That would only explain why he has a hardon for Obama.

[AllentownJake]

25. Overzealous support to attack one thing they consider a sin

while the insitution covered up and enabled the sin of its leaders :shrug:

The pope isn't and never was a big a fan of the Iraq war...weird how that gets no play time in the churches though and its always Abortion.

[rug]

36. I agree, this myopic focus on one is a sleazy ploy to use a church politically.

But I'll be damned if I see what it has to do with pedophilia.

[TexasObserver]

29. Yes.

Anyone who (1) claims to follow Jesus, and (2) belongs to an organization that knowingly allowed pedophiles to prey on children given to the organization in trust, that knowingly hid such criminal acts, that paid hundreds of millions to settle claims for such, that put saving the bottom line dollars over saving children at risk - THAT person should know better than JUDGE the sinners who come to his church.

He's suppose to know that all persons sin, so where does he get off attacking those who vote the way he doesn't like?

It's easy to connect pedophilia and a priest. The Catholic Church. It has yet to come clean on its nefarious actions to hide their culpability and criminality.

[rug]

35. Having connected pedophilia to the church, can you now connect pedophilia to the comment?

[TexasObserver]

37. I just did. And thanks for making my point about the blind loyalty which protects the religion.

I knew one of you would.

Why don't you worry about cleaning up the cess pool that is the hierarchy of your hate mongering church, and stop worrying about the bad impressions others rightly have of it?

[rug]

44. Um, no you didn't.

I hesitate to respond without consulting with the rest of my horde, yet I must.

Since you have failed to connect pedophilia with the stupid remarks of this priest in South Carolina, I don't blame you for moving on to attack that "hate mongering church". It's as good a diversion as any. Don't forget to mention the Inquisition and the Crusades next time.

Now I will be up all night worrying about your bad impressions.

[TexasObserver]

45. The willingness of church members to hide their heads in the sand is in evidence.

You prove more than you can imagine.

[johnaries]

30. Oh, for Gawd's sake, lighten up!

If I call someone an asshole, I don't literally mean they are a rectum. But let's put it this way - the fact that there is widespread pedophilia reported in the Catholic church AND THE POLICY OF THE CHURCH TO COVER IT UP taints everything that any representative of the Catholic Church says. Especially when the Church tries to interfere in government.
How's that?

[rug]

38. Piss poor actually. But don't take it literally.

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[rug]

40. Fail.

[zulchzulu]

34. Linking a priest's abuse of IRS' Section 501(c)(3) and abusing his role at the pulpit...

... to literally make shit up opens him up to be handed just the same kind of tactics he is up to.

Seriously, it's not just an "ignorant political comment". It's promoting hate, lies and division in the name of using God and thus having parishioner be suspicious of another. It is also unfair to the church that he is jeopardizing the church's tax exempt status and possible survival because of his abuse of power.

So to call him a pedophile is just giving him a taste of his own goddamn medicine. If anything, it throws the suspicion he has tried to spawn right back at him. Watch him sweat.

[rug]

41. Excellent. But don't you see how your last paragraph undermined it?

Cheap name-calling might work wonders in primaries but it does squat to refute bullshit.

[boppers]

39. I'll give it a shot.

Some churches have a long tradition of claims that they're supporting defenseless innocents, when what they're doing is really closer to the moral equivalent of creating human puppy mills, churning out people to be used and abused for the church's own general and individual purposes, some of them more disturbing than others.

-Successful breeding is more important than the quality of life of the offspring
-Offspring are expected to be subservient to the breeder
-Offspring are actively used to line the pockets of the breeder
-Abuse of the offspring is covered up, justified, and rationalized
-"Offenses" by the offspring are met with threats, punitive measures, and cavalier attitudes towards the offspring

Pedophilia is just one of the more egregious abuses encountered when such a reprehensible environment is created and sustained, an abuse that catches headlines. Until the church stops treating their flock like a puppy mill, people will be offended by their actions. If it's not abusing the flock physically, it'll be the cruel physical punishments inflicted upon the flock. If it's not the physical punishment, it'll be the excesses of the "breeder/owners" at the cost of the flock.

[rug]

42. Thoughtful but you've opened up an even broader attack.

Still much better than simply shouting pervert priest.

[boppers]

43. It's actually quite old, "pervert priest" is just the latest example/slur.

"Nun with a yardstick" came before.

The church's history of 20th century child abuse is the stuff of legend, because it was so commonplace as to be thought of as acceptable.

Go back a few more years, and it gets... even uglier.

[CountAllVotes]

46. no you cannot

in a way this is a good example as to why you cannot connect Rev. Wright's comments to all of the members of the church he was in charge of.

:kick: