Personally I'd prefer Senator Clinton at Defense

[AllentownJake]

If she's in the cabinet. It would be more ground breaking and I think she would be great at the Pentagon. I also think she would enjoy the job.

[progdonkey]

1. yeah, that'll make the military brass just ADORE Obama...

:eyes:

[AllentownJake]

5. Well

More of the retired brass adored Hillary during the Primary.

Just saying.

[Skwmom]

14. There are MANY in the military who would be up in arms with that pick.

Many in the military do no think very highly of the Clintons.

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

2. My mind already has her as a Supreme Court Justice

a. I think she'd be a great justice.
b. The tickles and grins I get watching the Republicans explode.

[DJ13]

3. I would prefer her as head of HHS

So she could get a single payer health care system started.

[Metric System]

7. Why would she leave the Senate for that position?

[DJ13]

8. She campaigned on her desire to see an improved health care system

Where else could she make that a reality?

[AllentownJake]

17. DHHS

Is a lower level cabinet post. Mostly for decent Govenors/Senators with limited political future.

Hillary isn't in that category.

[JVS]

36. But her status and her special interest in the matter would embiggen the office.

[pocoloco]

4. Well, she does have experience in a "combat" zone!!

LOL!

[Metric System]

6. Ugh.

[Skittles]

9. she voted for that piece of SHIT IWR

that is hideously bad judgement

[mtnsnake]

40. So did Biden and Kerry. Are you holding it against them as much as you do her?

[Skittles]

89. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't trust ANYONE who voted for IWR

[PBS Poll-435]

88. LOL

So did John Edwards, Joe Biden, Maria Cantwell, The Torch, Harry Reid, The Nelsons, Herb Kohl, Tom Harkin, ...

And many more.




77-23

[Skittles]

90. WTF????????

DOES THAT MAKE IT BETTER? PULL YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT.

[Muttocracy]

10. Just as long as she doesn't have to suffer being my Senator for a moment longer. nt

[MannyGoldstein]

11. She Could Train Recruits On Avoiding Sniper Fire

By staying hundreds of miles away from it.

[MadBadger]

12. Id prefer if she stayed the junior senator of New York

[mtnsnake]

29. I used to hold out hope that someday haters like you would just let it all go

but I guess there's no hope. If it hasn't happened by now, it never will. It's not hard to imagine why...

[MadBadger]

34. Stalk much?

THere are more qualified people for Defense and State that I want to see in both positions.

[mtnsnake]

37. Paranoid or something?

If anyone stalks, it's you, though. All you do is run around stalking anyone who says anything positive about someone you don't like and then you pounce on it and turn it into a flame so it gets locked.

You don't amuse me enough to waste my time stalking the likes of you. Now run along...

[Canuckistanian]

13. She IS on the Senate Armed Services Committee

And by all accounts doing a great job... so why not?

[patrice]

15. I strongly agree! nt

[daninthemoon]

16. That doesn't seem like a step up, more like a step down.

[chollybocker]

18. No more Clintons!

IMHO.

[PM Martin]

19. Go away.

Go back to that dailykos site.

[MadBadger]

41. Joke, funny, haha...right?

[PM Martin]

43. Seriously.

[MadBadger]

44. What's wrong with kos?

[PM Martin]

45. They were part of the...

"Hate The Clinton's Chorus". Along with Bill Maher and some left wing radio show hosts.

[MadBadger]

47. So why are you on DU?

[PM Martin]

48. Because I am closer to the Democratic party.

A moderate, yes, but no way in HELL I would ever be a Republican.
Also, the dailykos people do not own the Democratic party.

[MadBadger]

49. Not what I'm saying. During the primaries, what was the difference between DU and Kos?

Like why are you willing to give us a pass but not KOS

[PM Martin]

52. Becase the owner of DemocraticUnderground tolerated...

supporters of both Obama and Clinton.
Kos and Company ousted anyone who supported Clinton.

[MadBadger]

53. I'm not really sure about ur facts there.

Sure an overwhelming amount were Obama supporters, but I havent heard of CLinton supporters being banned for just being who they were.

[Lilith Velkor]

86. Bill Maher defended her on his show

Not because he likes her, but because said chorus was beginning to annoy him.

Some of those fuckers are as annoying as 911 Troofers.

[mtnsnake]

20. Whine about it with your pals on NeoConUnderground

where you'll be appreciated.

[onehandle]

21. No more Canadians!

IMHO.

[chollybocker]

24. Really? There's still Clinton fans out there?

Sorry to have upset your carts, but I see the Clintons as old politics, and I don't like that crap. Just MHO again, so deal.

[mtnsnake]

25. Quit knocking the Clintons. Either say something positive or get back to your Republican brethren

where you belong.

[chollybocker]

35. What? Hillary is more right-wing GOP than I'll ever be in a million freaking years.

Thus, the problem. And what's wrong with opining about Hillary Clinton in a Hillary Clinton opinion thread?

IMHO... Obama would do well to steer away from the Clintons. He did so very well during the campaign, and he should stick to it when choosing his cabinet. The Clintons are nothing but trouble.

[mtnsnake]

39. You do a piss poor job of concealing the fact that you're an imposter

but I'm not going to alert on you because I kind of enjoy toying with Right Wing morons. You're just all so easy.

[PM Martin]

42. And you joined just a few weeks back.

Hillary's healthcare policy is hardly "more right-wing GOP".
:eyes:

I'll give much do credit to Obama when he dumped the so-called "netroots progressives"
or whatever they are called in the trash where they belong and used his skills as a community organizer to build his own powerbase.

[PM Martin]

30. I'm a Bill Clinton fan.

I do not understand why so much hatred exists towards them.

[Zombie2]

50. I'm a Bill Clinton fan, too! n/t

[Beacool]

27. They aren't going anywhere.

Too bad for you........

:shrug:

[scheming daemons]

22. The Sec. of Defense has to have a military background, IMO

In order to have the respect of the military.


Senator Clinton is qualified for many things..... but managing the military brass is not one of those things.

[Beausoir]

23. I doubt Obama will appoint her to anything.

He has issues.

[Beacool]

26. I think that you're right.

Then again, why would she want to be serving at his pleasure when she has her own power base? I can see her accepting the VP slot if he had offered it, but why take a cabinet position?

:eyes:

[PM Martin]

28. Why not make her a legislative leader?

She has the power base of followers to do so.

edited post to clarify points.

[Beacool]

31. Ha, ha, ha,

Funny..........not.

:eyes:

[PM Martin]

32. Sorry. I was not trying to bash her.

I do respect both of the Clintons. If you have not noticed, I have been
fighting with those around here who have made a hobby of villifying them.
She should get a leadership position in the Congress.
She has earned it.

If it makes you feel any better, I find those people over at dailykos to be just has vile
as the conservative activists at Fox "News" Channel.

[Beacool]

46. Sorry, I'm so used to have to defend Hillary against the haters on the LW blogs

that it has become second nature. You mention KOS, I won't even step into that nest of vipers, ditto for Huff and even here they were more vicious than in the RW sites during the primaries. Most Hillary supporters left for other sites, a few stalwart remained but not many.

I don't think that she would want to be in Obama's cabinet. She has more freedom and power in the senate.

:hi:

[PM Martin]

51. As I said, extremity exists at both ends.

I remember some left wing radio host called Hillary a "whore" during the primaries.
Fortunately she was ousted from the airwaves.
"Vipers" is the right term for these nutty left wing activists.
I am pleased to see Obama threw them in the dump where they belong and shrewdly
built his own powerbase to work from. When I see the left wing "activists"
I think of our New Democratic Party and their "leader" Jack Layton.
They never get anything done. All they do is whine, complain, and attack the Liberals
instead of going after the real enemy in the right wing.
Hillary did the same thing in terms of building a powerbase.

[MadBadger]

54. You do realize that we at DU are left-wing Activists...right?

[PM Martin]

56. Actually DU is open to all supporters of the Democratic party.

Not just the left wing of the party.

[MadBadger]

57. LeftWing Activists doesnt have to mean the Left Wing of the Party,which most here would say they are

Left Wing could mean just on the left, opposite of right. Left-Wing Activists could be similar to Democratic Activists.

[PM Martin]

58. By the given definition.

I am a moderate Democrat.

It is understood that "Left Wing" means the hard left just as "Right Wing"
means hard right.

[MadBadger]

59. No, You would need to say "Far" Left wing for it to mean hard left.

[PM Martin]

65. No.

Left/Right wing has the implication of being extreme as opposed to being
moderate.

[MadBadger]

71. LOL, You're way off base. I'm a left-wing Democrat. Tell me if my positions are extreme to you.

I'm pro-choice, anti-Iraq, pro gay rights, I dont think 9/11 was an inside job, I believe that the rich should pay their fair share of taxes, I'm for the legalization of marijuana, I'm not a pacifist, and I believe that we should put illegal immigrants on the pathway to citizenship

[PM Martin]

72. I'll give you credit for not following

"9/11 was an inside job" nuts.

[MadBadger]

74. But dont you see the difference? I'm in the left wing of this country and in my party. I'm a Libera

But I'm not to the far left of my party.

[Beacool]

66. I'm a moderate too.

Definitely a minority on this board.

:7

[PM Martin]

70. Same here.

[Beacool]

62. That was Randi Rhodes.

She got suspended from Air America and ended up quitting. Can't stand the woman, so no great loss as far as I'm concerned.

Yep, "nutty" is the word. I think that they'll be disappointed with Obama in the long run, he's far more centrist than he pretended to be during the primaries. Remember his FISA vote? Well, I think that there'll be many decisions similar to that vote in the future.

:eyes:

[MadBadger]

64. You're clearly brimming with confidence

:eyes:

[PM Martin]

69. It is a good thing if Obama is moderate on some issues.

We do not want a Democratic Bush.
I am a moderate and can respect a fellow moderate.
I also believe that Obama will do what is best for his country and world, even if it
goes against his own party. That is leadership.

I will have to research this thugish/creaton/POS Randi Rhodes
to see just how bad she is.

[Beacool]

79. As a moderate I have no beef with it,

but he's sure to disappoint those who trashed Hillary for being a centrist. The jury is still out and time will only tell. Let's see if he walks the walk as much as he has talked the talk.

;-)

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38. I am with Grovelbot on this one.

There isn't enough beer in Latrobe to convince me that you are genuine about this.

:-)

[salguine]

55. Running from sniper fire that wasn't there and that you didn't run from isn't

the best resume for Secretary of Defense. Don't you think MAYBE a military background might be a good thing? Jesus Christ, the end is finally in sight for an Administration that packed every conceivable position with people who weren't qualified.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

60. Hillary at DOD

Would pretty much assure that Obama would be a one term president. As a former Marine, I know that most of my buddies are having much consternation with Obama (democrat) as President. Making Hillary Sec of Defense would be a total slap in the face. The country would take notice.

I think Hillary should finish out her career in the Senate.

[MadBadger]

61. A total slap in the face to who?

[Brooklyns_Finest]

63. To the men and women.....

Who serve in the military. If you are going to pick a woman, it better be someone who has extensive military experience. Having just served on a committee will not cut it.

[MadBadger]

67. I dont usually do this, but what Kind of bullshit sexism are you pulling?

If you're going to pick a woman, they better have extensive military experience? Why not the same rules for men too??

[Brooklyns_Finest]

73. It might be sexist

But the reality is that there are all types of double standards in this world. Some we can challenge outright and some we have to deal with intelligently. The military is a male dominated world. In order to make a woman Sec. def you are going to have to have a real compelling story for said woman.

[MadBadger]

75. Well said Military people would just have to get over their Sexist feelings...poor wittle babies

Hillary could have been President. Would that not have beeen satisfactory to you or them then? I find your defense of this to be pretty disgusting.

[salguine]

78. I wouldn't pick a man with no military experience to be Secretary of Defense, either.

In fact I would pretty much insist that Secretary of Defense be a former CAREER military officer. Gender doesn't enter into it.

[MadBadger]

81. I think some form of experience with military should be required, but that wasnt his argument

His argument was specific to it being a woman

[Beacool]

82. Oh my goodness, stop the presses.

For the first time we agree on something.

I think that I feel faint.

:o

[MadBadger]

83. WE agree on a lot more than you think

[Beacool]

84. You seem to hate Hillary, at least you trash her at every opportunity.

How much could we have in common?

[MadBadger]

85. Surprise, Surprise....I dont hate Hillary

I didnt like the campaign she ran (which we should agree to disagree on), but I've appreciated how she has acted since she got out of the race. I still have issues with Bill, but that is another issue for another time.

[Beacool]

87. Well, I'll always think that Hillary was the better prepared to handle the job

at this point in time, but we don't always get what we want in life. I still hope though that she runs again and becomes our first woman president. In politics anything can happen and often it does.

[Beacool]

76. You might be interested to know that Hillary won the respect of the top brass

by being very knowledgeable and by listening to them. One general said that she was actually the first politician that had listened to him and followed on his recommendations and not just given lip service like the others had done. Check her senator website. She has done a lot for the men and women in the service and has received several awards for her troubles.

I doubt that she would be offered, or even be interested, in the job but you can rest assured that she would fight very hard for all of you.

I was in the North Tower on 9/11 and saw up close the sacrifice of the NYFD and the NYPD. These people were initially opposed to her, but she fought very hard for them and managed to get billions of dollars from Congress to extend health care to all first responders.

The only endorsement for any candidate that brought me to tears was the one she received from the NYFD, they ended it with these words:

She's our hero.

;)

[briv1016]

68. So given the choice of either Hillary or Clark/Any former general/admiral for Defense,

you would pick Hillary?

[Brooklyns_Finest]

77. General Clark

I find it interesting that democrats love Clark and Republicans hate him. I think a guy like retired Marine General Jones (my commandant!), would be a great choice. He has not disclosed his political affiliations. He is admired by all of the military and both parties. He is a patriot who was willing to serve either administration. He believes Guantanamo needs to be closed immediately. FInally, he was raised in France and speaks fluid french.

[AllentownJake]

80. Military personnel can'tt serve at Defense till they are retired for 10 years

without a special waiver from congress. Defense is genereally a civilian post.

Ask Dick Cheney.